Another Bush failure

[szh]

So sorry my posts of all the failings of the present administration are getting to some of you.

Nope. The problem I have with your posts is your misguided attempts to blame any ills of the past ten to twenty to thirty years - whether that ill is in government or business or name-the-location - to the current Bush administration.

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[audtatious]

As Bob has said over and over and over, Bush is in charge today so he is to blame for everything that happens while he is Prez. It does not matter in the least that Congress itself is broken with a 9% approval rating or not as I'm sure that is Bush's fault as well and not the failure that is Pelosi/Reed. Of course, if Obama gets in as Pres then they will blame everything on the previous Administration and not Obama.

[OriginalWheelman]

So sorry my posts of all the failings of the present administration are getting to some of you.

Trying to support all of these failed policies and mismanagement of two wars is getting increasingly difficult for some of you.

Thats ok, I understand

The American people understand & I'm sure they will all be making the right choice.

I felt a proud moment a short while ago watching the entire NJ delegation cast all votes for the next President of the United States Barack Obama.

Telcoman

My house is dirty... must be Bush's fault because he didn't clean up all the dust in the air. My tires are worn out. Why didn't Bush make a panel to oversee my tire wear and change my tires for me! My street has a pothole in it! Damn you Bush for not putting on a set of work gloves and repaving my street! It's almost like he has better things to do.

[ishkabibble]

As Bob has said over and over and over, Bush is in charge today so he is to blame for everything that happens while he is Prez. It does not matter in the least that Congress itself is broken with a 9% approval rating or not as I'm sure that is Bush's fault as well and not the failure that is Pelosi/Reed. Of course, if Obama gets in as Pres then they will blame everything on the previous Administration and not Obama.

Just like your attempts to blame everything on the Dems despite the fact that Bush had 6 years of a rubber stamp Congress led by The Hammer to get whatever he wanted done.

Righties never address this FACT. 6 years of complete unilateralism and yes-men. Almost nothing positive to show for it.

But, hey, everything happening in 2008 is just a residual effect of the Clinton administration...

[audtatious]

You need to take a step back and look at my track record of calling Bush out for his BS.

[ishkabibble]

Yep, and I've seen you try to deflect blame to the Dems even more. Just look at this thread for an example.

Don't get me wrong, most of the Dems in Congress are spineless and totally ineffective. But I still see nearly all of the righties on this forum citing that Congress approval statistic whenever the flaws of the past 8 years are pointed out - totally ignoring the 6 years that preceded the Dems being partially in control.

[audtatious]

I'm leveling the playing field by properly distributing the problem. I'm not deflecting it all away from Bush in the least. I also don't fool myself that one person makes all the rules and decisions because if that were the case then there would only be one branch of US Gov and we'd be a dictatorship.

[srellim234]

Welcome to the d!ck Cheney/Carl Rove vision for America.

[ishkabibble]

But the thing is, the gov was run like a dictatorship. Everyone did what the party told them to do, or risked being ostracized. This went down through Congress and even into a lot of the agencies.

[audtatious]

Of course. Bush is too stupid to do anything but boy was he smart enough to run the whole gov as a dictator.

Can't have it both ways. Oh yeah, he was a puppet.

But the thing is, the gov was run like a dictatorship. Everyone did what the party told them to do, or risked being ostracized. This went down through Congress and even into a lot of the agencies.

Pretty much what you are saying is that the Republican party, while they had control of the houses had a supermajority and needed no Democratic support to pass the bills that passed? Are you really saying that?

[ishkabibble]

Can't have it both ways.

Greg, are you logged in on Matt's account?

Cheney and Rove were running the show, not Bush.

You'll notice that I tend to blame the administration for things, not Bush specifically.

[audtatious]

I should not have edited it so late so I will move this to another reply...

But the thing is, the gov was run like a dictatorship. Everyone did what the party told them to do, or risked being ostracized. This went down through Congress and even into a lot of the agencies.

Pretty much what you are saying is that the Republican party, while they had control of the houses had a supermajority and needed no Democratic support to pass the bills that passed? Are you really saying that?

I'm curious.

[ishkabibble]

No, but like I said, the Dems are spineless.

[audtatious]

Then why not spread the blame then (and now since they have the majority)? Instead you blame it all on one side and accuse those who wish to blame them all of deflecting. I demand an apology as I sure didn't vote for most of the dems in office.

[AZhitman]

No, but like I said, the Dems are spineless.

Gee, there's a news flash.

Love ya, Ish.

[ishkabibble]

I like very few Dems (Kucinich, Feingold, and a few others), and am plenty willing to give the party the ~20% or so blame it deserves for the ills of the past 6 years.

[audtatious]

Better look at their voting records a bit more

What about the last 2 years that Dems have been over Congress. Just curious.

[rn79870]

Who's responsible for pulling congress together and getting something done, the members or the leader? Should we blame the sailors or the captain for running the ship aground?

[szh]

Who's responsible for pulling congress together and getting something done, the members or the leader? Should we blame the sailors or the captain for running the ship aground?

The Prez is not the leader of Congress. There is necessarily a separation ... to keep each other in check.

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[audtatious]

Who's responsible for pulling congress together and getting something done, the members or the leader? Should we blame the sailors or the captain for running the ship aground?

There are three branches of Gov and Congress is NOT part of the Executive branch. You want to blame a leader today? Blame your beloved Pelosi.

[HashiriyaS14]

This is a pretty silly thread.

There's plenty to criticize about the current administration, there's no need to make crazy reaches like this.

[OriginalWheelman]

Who's responsible for pulling congress together and getting something done, the members or the leader? Should we blame the sailors or the captain for running the ship aground?

You blame who is responsible. If the helmsman steers you into a rock, you blame the helmsman, not the Captain. You can not hold the actions of one man against another.

[rn79870]

There are three branches of Gov and Congress is NOT part of the Executive branch. You want to blame a leader today? Blame your beloved Pelosi.

I'm pretty sure the President is the leader of this country. Was it HH who had that "the buck stops here" sign? He understood that he was responsible for what happened.

Wheels, the captain sets the course, the helmsman merely follows direction. When the ship runs aground, the captain made an error, if nothing more than trusting an incompetent. When an incompetent captain leads, a recipe for disaster follows.

[OriginalWheelman]

I can see you were never in the Navy. It's the rock's fault before it's the brass'.

Well I guess what it comes down to is assignment of responsibility. I am a firm believer in personal responsibility. If it's your fault, it's your fault. You seem to be of the mentality of "blame the higher ups". It's typically the attitude of subordinates.

[smockers83]

He could be held responsible, however, he could hold the ones who are actually at fault responsible and replace them with better people. That's what happens when you get fired, right? You do a bad job and aren't performing, you lose your job. If the leader is responsible for everyone under him and all of their mistakes become his responsibility, does that mean every mistake I've made becomes Bush's responsibility? "Mr. President, I was a little drunk last night and I met this really hot girl. We went back to my place and I don't remember using protection. If I didn't and it becomes a big mess, can I just pass it on to you? Thanks, man!" No, its my responsibility to fix it, why should I have someone else fix my mistake for me? To me, making others' mistakes someone's responsibility is like making a deity out of them or something. Here would be the FEMA director's prayer:

"Oh dear Bush, I have sinned for I have made a mess out of Catrina. Please forgive me." Bush (God) answers, "Don't worry my secretary, I will take you under my right hand and forgive you."

Umm, no, I don't think so. Someone does something like that, they're out. Make a big mess, they're out. Its not being a dictator or whatever, that's making your team better by hopefully getting the right man for the job.

[rn79870]

"Oh dear Bush, I have sinned for I have made a mess out of Catrina. Please forgive me." Bush (God) answers, "Don't worry my secretary, I will take you under my right hand and forgive you."

I now see why Katrina slipped by Washington's notice. Bush was looking for Catrina.

[srellim234]

Give me a break. Just another way for cronies to get rich.

http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/071231/0343097.html

Guess who the CEO of InferX is? None other than "You're doin' a good job, Brownie." He resigned (was not fired) from FEMA, went to CEO of a data mining company and signed a federal contract with the Bush administration? I wonder if that was another one of those "no-bid" contracts.

[szh]

There are three branches of Gov and Congress is NOT part of the Executive branch.

Yes! Exactly my point too.

http://bensguide.gpo.gov/3-5/g....htmlh ... _chart.pdf

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[audtatious]

Bob has never heard of Checks and Balances within the US Gov. If Congress does not like what the Pres says they can go another direction. Of course, the Pres can veto stuff but Congress can overrule him again if necessary. Even with that in place Bob wants to toe the party line and blame everything that happens on the Republican President alone because he is President. Now, if Obama gets in office he will change his tune and blame Bush for failures during his term based upon the stupidity of a few to blame Clinton for everything as he despises about the Bush Admin.

In general, everything wrong with this country is always going to be the fault of the Republican party. Makes him sleep better at night knowing that his beliefs are right and everyone else is wrong. If you look at his stances of the past Bob actually disagreed with one or two POV's that the Dem party had. That has changed 100% and he is completely following party lines with his rhetoric and blame.

[szh]

Yes, indeed! I had to learn all this stuff as part of my Citizenship tests zerothread/349162!

I had fun during my Citizenship verbal test. The Immigration Officer asked me two softball questions and then gave me a toughie: "What does it take to override a Presidential veto?" I answered it correctly and waited for the next question.

The guy began writing on a piece of paper that I could not see. So, I waited for a bit and then asked him if he had more questions. He started laughing and said that since I answered that tough question correctly, he was not going to bother wasting his time and mine asking me the total of 20 that I was supposed to do!

If Congress wants to, they can override the President.

Z