Alleged Ft. Hood shooter’s name ‘tells us a lot’

[heliochrome85]

http://rawstory.com/2009/11/name-tells-us-a-lot/

Fair and balanced indeed.

im ashamed.

[audtatious]

Seems he was just Jihadist nut-job to me....Lots of details are starting to come out.

[WDRacing]

Unless you could have stopped this and didn't you have nothing to be ashamed of.

The sad truth is, this could have been prevented if his chain of command had acted rather then ignored the obvious signs. He deserves a slow painful death and those that didn't act deserve their own time under the microscope followed by whatever discipline deemed necessary.

I'm so tired of terrorists and reading about innocent people being killed for absolutely no good reason.

Yet another rogue SOB kicks the sleeping tiger and riles up the hate wars between Muslims and the rest of the world.

[szh]

Sad state of affairs.

My condolences and prayers to the families of the people who lost their lives and who were injured.

Z

[szh]

The sad truth is, this could have been prevented if his chain of command had acted rather then ignored the obvious signs. He deserves a slow painful death and those that didn't act deserve their own time under the microscope followed by whatever discipline deemed necessary.

Perhaps, but it is never easy to assume the worst could happen. We are human and always look for the good in people.

I'm so tired of terrorists and reading about innocent people being killed for absolutely no good reason.

Absolutely. And I am angry abouit that too.

Yet another rogue SOB kicks the sleeping tiger and riles up the hate wars between Muslims and the rest of the world.

Only if we allow it to be treated that way ... unfortunately, you are probably right. This will happen.

Z

[Cold_Zero]

And yet on Fox Talk (Sirius) Across America they kept stressing the importance of not jumping to any conclusions on the motive of the shooting because of the suspect's name.

No need to jump to any conclusions here, it is not as if something like this has never happened in the United States Military before (because of religious motivations)

Ali A. Mohamed. Mohamed, a major in the Egyptian army, immigrated to the U.S. in 1986 and joined the U.S. Army while a resident alien. This despite being on a State Department terrorlst watch list before securing his visa. An avowed Islamist, he taught classes on Muslim culture to U.S. Special Forces at Fort Bragg, N.C., and obtained classified military documents. He was granted U.S. citizenship over the objections of the CIA.

A former classmate, Jason T. Fogg, recalled that Mohamed was openly critical of the American military. "To be in the U.S. military and have so much hate toward the U.S. was odd. He never referred to America as his country."

Soon after he was honorably discharged from the Army in 1989, Mohamed hooked up with Osama bin Laden as an escort, trainer, bagman and messenger. Mohamed used his U.S. passport to conduct surveillance at the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi; he later pled guilty to conspiring with bin Laden to "attack any Western target in the Middle East" and admitted his role in the 1998 African embassy bombings that killed more than 200 people, including a dozen Americans.

Semi Osman. An ethnic Lebanese born in Sierra Leone and a Seattle-based Muslim cleric, Osman served in a naval reserve fueling unit based in Tacoma, Wash. He had access to fuel trucks similar to the type used by al-Qaida in the 1996 bombing of the Khobar Towers, which killed 19 U.S. airmen and wounded nearly 400 other Americans.

Osman was arrested last May as part of a federal investigation into the establishment of a terrorlst training camp in Bly, Ore. Osman recently pleaded guilty to a weapons violation, and the feds dropped immigration charges against him in exchange for his testimony. John Muhammad. The accused Beltway sniper and Muslim convert was a member of the Army's 84th Engineering Company. In an eerie parallel to the Akbar case, Muhammad is suspected of throwing a thermite grenade into a tent housing 16 of his fellow soldiers as they slept before the ground-attack phase of Gulf War I in 1991. Muhammad's superior, Sgt. Kip Berentson, told both Newsweek and the Seattle Times that he immediately suspected Muhammad, who was "trouble from day one."

Curiously, Muhammad was admitted to the Army despite being earlier court-martialed for willfully disobeying orders, striking another noncommissioned officer, wrongfully taking property, and being absent without leave while serving in the Louisiana National Guard.

Although Muhammad was led away in handcuffs and transferred to another company pending charges for the grenade attack, an indictment never materialized. Muhammad was honorably discharged from the Army in 1994. Eight years later, he was arrested in the 21-day Beltway shooting spree that left 10 dead and three wounded.

Jeffrey Leon Battle. A former Army reservist, Battle was indicted in October 2002 for conspiring to levy war against the United States and "enlisting in the Reserves to receive military training to use against America." According to the Justice Department, he planned to wage war against American soldiers in Afghanistan.

[WDRacing]

Perhaps, but it is never easy to assume the worst could happen. We are human and always look for the good in people.

We get specialized training to watch for off behavior. Anyone that acts the way he does sets off all kinds of flags. Especially if his coworkers and direct chain of command are in the Psychiatric field. These are the people that are looking for exactly this type of behavior on a daily basis.

In the military, anyone acting the way he did is almost an immediate "conscientious objector" and they are removed from duty until they can be dealt with. Think about it, why would you allow a Major to speak out against the War or any orders given to him for that matter. It's simply not something done in the Officer core. The Military only works because of the Chain of Command. You can't have Officers sewing descent among the ranks period.

In the civilian world this might be something that goes unseen until it's to late, but not in the Military.

Just as an example, when we play war games the evaluators pick a random person and have him act the role of "conscientious objector" so they can see how we handle the situation. Point being, we know to look for s*** like this because we see death and horror all the time. Someone should have seen this coming and stepped up.

Just my .02

[Cold_Zero]

With that said and having been raised in the Military (as an Army brat) there is a lot of diversity in the United States Military which is a good thing. I have had Pakistani doctors treat me in the hospital and my dad has worked with Egyptian, Pakistani and Jordanian officers which were top notch (and would never resort to violence to serve a political or religious agenda.)

Conversely, there are some s*** heads in the United States Army that give 99.999% of the rest of the soldiers a bad name in cases like this. And you would be fooling yourself to deny that gang members and criminals have not infiltrated the United States Military for purposes of doing evil.

[Cold_Zero]

Also,"A US army psychiatrist about to be deployed to Afghanistan allegedly shouted "Allahu Akbar", or "God is greatest", as he opened fire at a military base in Texas, killing 13 people and wounding 28.

The gunman, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, 39, shouted the Arabic phrase just before he began his shooting spree at Fort Hood military installation yesterday, according to the base commander, Lieutenant General Robert Cone."

[themadscientist]

As a non-Muslim, I don't all assume all Muslims subscribe to this. Just like any group, they have their whack jobs. I'm not even sure his faith had much to do with his motives anyway. The info I have heard so far suggest he was just an ***hole who happened to be Muslim.

[srellim234]

To anyone who believes that just the name tells us a lot, it tells us a lot more about you than the criminal. That you are discriminatory based on the shallow surface of things and the type of personality that would judge someone based on the color of his skin.

If someone's name really tells us that much, analyze Kavid Koresh, Timothy McVeigh and Charles Manson's names for me.

[Cold_Zero]

I dont think anyone is implying that you can judge a nut job by his/her name here.

[themadscientist]

<<<<<ahem

[audtatious]

Yeah, yeah, yeah....there are always exceptions to the rule.

[srellim234]

Seems he was just Jihadist nut-job to me....Lots of details are starting to come out.

Nice job jumping to conclusions.

[srellim234]

I dont think anyone is implying that you can judge a nut job by his/her name here.

Not necessarily anyone here, but for all the people who defend Fox up the kazoo and those who feel that no one on the right can do anything wrong, they sure are sending a message with their failure to criticize those who would jump to conclusions that, "His name tells us a lot." Partisanship ahead of what's right and wrong.

[UpStar]

Can I assume that my neighbor is a white inbred racist just because his name is Fred?

Probably not, so lets kill the ignorance and be rational for once.

This kinda brings back the memories when Barak Obama's name was being dissected and analyzedRaw Ignorance at its best.

[audtatious]

Nice job jumping to conclusions.

Really? Screaming "Allahu Akbar" as he gunned down US soldiers means he was not a nut job? In who's book? If he screamed something about Jesus I'd still say he was a nut job.

[themadscientist]

He might have been a star wars geek screaming "admiral akbar."

[srellim234]

That phrase alone does not make him a jihadist nut.

[audtatious]

oh, ok...

[themadscientist]

That phrase alone does not make him a jihadist nut.

Unless it also means "good morning, wonderful day we're having." I would say it doesn't bode well.

[Cold_Zero]

Can I assume that my neighbor is a white inbred racist just because his name is Fred?

Probably not, so lets kill the ignorance and be rational for once.

This kinda brings back the memories when Barak Obama's name was being dissected and analyzedRaw Ignorance at its best.

We are now finding that there were warning signs, things that the shooter may have said prior to the shootings that were missed warning signs. Where he quoted the Qur'an to coworkers about what should be done with infidels. If this is true, just as in the case of the Virginia Tech shootings, this probably could have been prevented had someone stepped up and reported the behavior. Trust me, if my neighbor starts quoting from a holy book about how he needs to take down the Government, kill the President or kill infidels, I am calling the FBI (at a minimum the police.)

According to Admiral Mullen and the military high command it was more important to retain diversity in the military (as it not be a casualty) than this shooting at Fort Hood. And looking at what the President said in his lawyerese, "We can never fully understand the motivations for the shooter." Or is it that we don't want to understand? Let's avoid the issue of home grown extremism. Unlike what our Government did with the Patriot Movement in the late 90's.

[AZhitman]

That phrase alone does not make him a jihadist nut.

If a pro-lifer shoots an abortion doc, it's generally considered to be an act based on that person's spiritual beliefs.

Let's be clear here: This guy, had he been a Christian, and proclaimed, "In the name of Jesus, you are all gonna die!", we'd have never heard the end of it.

Let's call this what it is: Terrorism. Plain and simple.

This clown had never seen combat. He had a cushy gig. He hadn't ever been deployed. He hadn't EVER supervised others (despite having the RANK and PAY of a superior officer)... He got to go to school, wear civilian clothes, and had nice comfy quarters... He got saluted.

He is a terrorlst, a turncoat, a traitor, and is deserving of the needle.

I'd place him in the same bucket with McVeigh, EXCEPT that McVeigh didn't take an oath to serve his country and then violate that oath.

The comment from the news anchor was insensitive, agreed.

As if our troops didn't have enough to worry about, now they have to be concerned that one of their brothers may be a treasonous piece of rat droppings.

I feel for the millions of good, law-abiding Muslims in our country who must now contend with even more misunderstanding. And it's to be expected. I'm hoping that followers of Islam worldwide will speak out against this tragedy and work collaboratively with non-Muslims to condemn such actions.

[srellim234]

AZ- wrong analogy to the Christian statement. The phrase meaning "God is great" is what he said. Not "In the name of God you're all going to die." The Christian would be making virtually the same "God is great" or even "Jesus is my Savior" statement. Nothing directly killing others in His name.

As more details come out it does appear that indeed the guy went off the deep end and put his religion before his country, which is totally incorrect for a military officer to to. As appears in this case (based on the facts still coming out) he should have been watched more closely and discharged.

My comments were not directed so much that the comments of others were incorrect. Only that they really jumped the gun with assumptions not based on fact at the time they made them.

[AZhitman]

I'd agree with that.

I guess my point was, that if this guy had been a Lutheran minister, the Left would never have let it go... so it's not unrealistic to expect that people are going to point at his faith and really emphasize it.

Again, if the Muslim community doesn't get behind this, turn their backs on this guy, and call for his execution, relations are gonna go backwards... a lot.

McVeigh claimed to be a Christian. I don't think there's a Christian in America that had a problem with him getting the needle.

[Cold_Zero]

AZ- wrong analogy to the Christian statement. The phrase meaning "God is great" is what he said. Not "In the name of God you're all going to die." The Christian would be making virtually the same "God is great" or even "Jesus is my Savior" statement. Nothing directly killing others in His name.

Yes, but in recent history, the term has been associated and in some ways hijacked (pun intended) by terrorists. To proclaim this term right before shooting up a hospital does cast a shadow of suspicion that your motives may be religious or terrorlst in nature. Had this guy walked in, said nothing and shot the place up.. well that would be different.

[AZhitman]

By the way, this guy can have a needle full of death too: http://www.usatoday.com/news/m...N.htm

"The Obama administration and top military leaders are discouraging an anti-Muslim backlash in the aftermath of the shooting."

"Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey and Homeland Security chief Janet Napolitano on Sunday echoed weekend remarks by President Obama cautioning against saying that religion played a role in the attack or that it was "terrorism."

REALLY?

Hey morons: It's TERRORISM. He's a terrorlst. He's no different from McVeigh, or Kaczynski, or any other POS dirtbags.

Screw this political correctness. Why didn't BO call on Muslims to denounce hatemongers like this imam? Why didn't BO warn others who may be planning similar stunts that treason will be dealt with harshly and immediately?

I'm PISSED.

My son is about to leave for Ft. Benning in 6 days, and I've gotta be concerned that some terrorlst is gonna harm him before he ever gets to do his job? WTF?!?!?

"Michael Weinstein, president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, disagreed, saying the response has been far too weak to protect Muslim military personnel."

Are you freaking kidding me?

Here's the deal - For gays, it's "don't ask, don't tell". Why do we KNOW there are "Muslim military personnel"?

And what about the protection for the types of brave men and women who actually sacrifice to serve their country???

Lieberman got it right. Why can't the rest of this moronic Administration?

[audtatious]

Lots of retarded people opening their small minds...

Andrew Bast of Newsweek's latest article is titled "Is Fort Hood a Harbinger? Nidal Malik Hasan May Be a Symptom of a Military on the Brink."

DailyKos poll on this situation has this as an option: "#3 "He was trying to save these troops from the horrors of war that he heard about from returning troops""

Chris Matthews is still saying "It's unclear if religion was a factor in the shooting"

Imam's who have been spreading hate in the US for years are calling for more of it.....ain't life grand?

[szh]

I'd agree with that.

I guess my point was, that if this guy had been a Lutheran minister, the Left would never have let it go... so it's not unrealistic to expect that people are going to point at his faith and really emphasize it.

Again, if the Muslim community doesn't get behind this, turn their backs on this guy, and call for his execution, relations are gonna go backwards... a lot.

McVeigh claimed to be a Christian. I don't think there's a Christian in America that had a problem with him getting the needle.

But, neither maniac's actions had to do with religion per se. The bottom line is that both Hasan and McVeigh were fundamentally and morally wrong in their actions for reasons that are unrelated to their religious beliefs.

Yes, we can argue political correctness all we want, and yes, I am opposed to it in general.

But a problem remains true (particularly in western media) - which, I, as a Muslim am more sensitive to - that such crazy events are automatically and instantly labeled as caused by "Fundamentalist Muslim Terrorists" or are inherently fundamentalist Muslim beliefs. And that is where the issue lies as far as I am concerned.

Were the IRA in Northern Ireland continuously called "Fundamental Catholic Terrorists" by the media? Was McVeigh continually called a "Fundamental Christian terrorlst" by the media? Clearly, religion played a part in the IRA and, as you pointed out, McVeigh claimed to be religious too.

But the media did not instantly and continually harp on the religion of those perpetrators.

Correctly so, IMHO!

Similarly, labeling Hasan a Muslim terrorlst, or that his actions as justified by Islam, or that he should be condoned by Muslims, is equally incorrect.

BTW, I am tired of hearing - by the media and people who ought to know better - that all Muslims are "fundamentalists" and must be part of terrorlst movements in every country that they reside in. If more than a billion people were such active terrorists, the world would be a different place.

I remember feeling a sense of relief that McVeigh turned out to not be a Muslim because I was concerned about yet another labeling - followed shortly by head-shaking sadness that I had had that kind of reaction.

The crux of the issue is simply this: when tried and found guilty, Hasan damn sure needs to be executed for his crimes. Given that this occurred in Texas, that is the likely outcome. And, yes, I am in favor of that completely - no ifs, ands or buts about it.

Z