All out on All motor...

[TrunkMonkey]

[email protected]

i'm waiting.

-demetrius

[240nismo]

Sent.I'll be waiting for that flag to come down...that wasn't cool.

[TrunkMonkey]

you're kidding me right?

i'm not sure who you think you're trying to fool. you can doctor it up all you want, but that's not a KA dyno sheet. i love hondas just as much (hell, maybe even more) than nissans, and i know a honda dyno sheet when i see one.

1. there isn't a nissan on the planet that has a torque curve that flat. ESPECIALLY a KA.

2. all KAs, even boosted ones, fall off between 6-7k rpms. this one's still pulling after 7k?

3. the dead giveaway is the "dip" in hp and torque at the same rpm. that has vtec written all over it.

you gotta do better than that junior.

-demetrius

[jdmfreak]

Is this true 240 nismo. I want to believe this. Its time to prove yourself. Please tell me that you have vtec KA.

[I am Technoman]

<---- falls out of chair Hey post that dyno of the GSR motor!

[I am Technoman]

you're kidding me right?

i'm not sure who you think you're trying to fool. you can doctor it up all you want, but that's not a KA dyno sheet. i love hondas just as much (hell, maybe even more) than nissans, and i know a honda dyno sheet when i see one.

1. there isn't a nissan on the planet that has a torque curve that flat. ESPECIALLY a KA.

Can’t argue with that.

2. all KAs, even boosted ones, fall off between 6-7k rpms. this one's still pulling after 7k?

Well well maybe he has "adjustable sprokets" :rolleyes

3. the dead giveaway is the "dip" in hp and torque at the same rpm. that has vtec written all over it.

He is a great engineer and has made a vtec Ka cam set!

you gotta do better than that junior.

-demetrius

[C-Kwik]

someone email it to me!

[email protected]

[TrunkMonkey]

here you go man.

-demetrius

[Aries]

demetrius, email it here [email protected]

~THX

[:: orion ::]

I love it....first I've come across this thread.

Would someone do me the honor and forward it to [email protected] - I can even host it so everyone can share in the laughter.

Thanks - Brian

[C-Kwik]

demcj - Thanks.

Cams can bring up the torque on the back end is to go with some wilder cams. But I would expect to see a hugh drop in the low end torque to bring up the high end that much. And keeping in mind that peak torque levels tend to be tied down by displacement quite a bit. 200 RW Torque is insane for a KA. That dyno is much more akin to a larger motor. Most small displacement motors, even when heavily modded in NA form do not make a hughely significant amount more torque. It just shifts most of it to the upper RPM range where it translates to more HP. Maybe it's a VTEC V-6? It does seem to have a small jump in torque right at about 5000 RPM which might be a VTEC cam kicking in. The spike is mild enough that it might not even be a VTEC motor. But it's definitely a larger motor. With the parts 240nismo mentions, the torque curve should not be nearly that flat or even that high, especially at the wheels.

240Nismo - You mention the NASPORT GT KA's. Those rev to about 8000 or so RPM. Most race motor HP is rated at the flywheel which would put your car right at about where they are. And with the NASPORT KA's, they will probably peak near redline, which would put it at about 7500-8000 RPM. At 7500 RPM, it would only need 182 ft-lbs of torque, which is certainly attainable. But no way would it be available from 1500 RPM all the way to redline. The dyno you posted has to be for a motor that has at least Variable Cam Timing and I'd speculate at least 3.0 Liters(very conservatively).

I swear this guy tried to pass this off 6 months ago too...

[:: orion ::]

C-Kwik -

Thanks for the forward...

One other thing to note - The curves cross at 4400!!!! By the definition of HP, they will ALWAYS cross at 5252...

HP = (TQ*RPM)/5252

So that means that this graph is shifted to the left by 800rpm or so...even more proff that it's BS.

I'd bet it was a cut-and-paste of a dyno of some VTEC Accord motor pasted onto some other chart background.

240nismo: Don't try to pull this s*** on knowledgeable people - Keep those antics to your local street racing board where they *might* believe it...

:rolleyes

Pitiful.

Later- Brian

[goshoryuken]

Damn, so you guys mean that there isn't a single n/a ka in the states that does 200 or more? That's sad. If that's so . . why? I would think that beefed up internals and other stuff would get the car past 200 without too much of a problem. i/h/e, then cams, and a sh it load of engine mods. And I'm talking about it without nitrous.

[Aries]

there are a couple running arround.they're making 200-210. Nothing as extreme as 230 without a poweradder.

This is simply some kid that thought he could trick us. IF, BY SOME MIRACLE THE CAR IS MAKING THAT MUCH, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO BRING TI BY MY SHOP AND PUT IT ON THE DYNO!

[goshoryuken]

Hah, word. That's n/a . .how about turbo? Wouldn't a turbo 2.4 in theory make more power than a turbo 2.0 sr ? or even a 2.2 with a stroker kit... ? I'm talking with built ka internals . .. or is the sr just a better turbo motor to go with?

[:: orion ::]

There are plenty of tubo chagred KAs making anywhere from 200rwhp to 504rwhp, most stock block, but many are built with pistons/rods.

As for the displacement thing...really, you can make more power with less boost due to more displacment. See below:

HP = [AP * CR * VE * CID * RPM] / 792001.6

Where: AP = Atmospheric pressure (~14.7 - add boost on top of this), CR = static compression ratio, VE = Volumetric efficiency, CID = Cubic inch displacement, and RPM = Well, you know that.

So you can see that if you add 20% to the CID (go from 2.0 to 2.4 liter) you can make up for it by simply adding 20% more boost, or increasing volumetric efficiency, or increasing the RPM, etc...

See herefor the source of those #s, and more...

Later - Brian

[mickee]

someone post it here... i wanna see.....

[goshoryuken]

Yeah, I wanna see it too. Thanks for the info Brian

[Aries]

I'll post it when I get home tonight if no one does it first.

[jdmfreak]

Thank you Aries.

[C-Kwik]

C-Kwik -

Thanks for the forward...

One other thing to note - The curves cross at 4400!!!! By the definition of HP, they will ALWAYS cross at 5252...

No prob.

I didn't even pick on the HP/Tq crossover being in the wrong place. Good catch!

I think the jury has decided this one unanimously.

[jdmfreak]

Where is Aires? He said he was going to post it dyno up tonite.

[Aries]

sorry, I was busy getting a few things sorted out in the new shop.I'll be sure to do it toady

[I am Technoman]

Aries I may be in Houston next week to work for my dad.

[TrunkMonkey]

finally! my cable connection's been acting like a real stuck up hefer the past couple of days, i've been unable to get online and do anything.

Quote »I swear this guy tried to pass this off 6 months ago too...[/quote] i believe that this is the same guy. the dyno graph and some of the thread is missing, but i'm positive it's him.

i had found a dyno sheet of a modified integra type R off the web and posted them together in that thread. they are VERY similar.

as already stated, it's obvious that 240nismo's sheet has been modified.

-demetrius

[C-Kwik]

Oh yes, I remember now. Haha! That thread was fun too.

[Nathan]

Is somebody going to host the graph? If not, e-mail it my way... [email protected] I want to get a good laugh in too, the torque and horsepower crossing at 4400 is the funniest part, what a tool.

[:: orion ::]

Allright...resized, saved as 16 color, and hosted:

:rolleyes 240nismo "KA24E" dyno :rolleyes

Enjoy! - Brian

[jdmfreak]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Who does he think he's foolin?

[I am Technoman]

HUh Thats funny. that is a nice Vtec motor.

Ill post my dyno of my all motor KA soon.

Mine shows 148.9 HPANd I dont remember the torque think it was 144. ?