'93 Q on ebay with 66k miles

[Brew Q]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1993-Inf ... 43bc5c7783

anyone here in Washington?

'93 with great interior, but description says engine is misfiring some - wouldn't think that's major with that mileage - it could be an injector though.

figured I'd start a new thread since nice 90-93's are hard to find.

[elwesso]

He's got it listed in the classifieds too.

1993-q45-66k-miles-t575963.html

If someone was interested, I've got a strong lead on a NICO-maintained 91 Q with about 80k miles.. New BBS and Michelin PSS tires, guides are done and lots of other maintenance. I think they were asking 4k, which is reasonable IMO. 90-93 in that condition are almost impossible.

[Brew Q]

definitely interested... check your q45 mail. I'm going to sell Dimitri's or part it out - no offense to him, he's a great guy.

A '94 Nico ecu wouldn't work on a pre 94 would it?

[elwesso]

Yes it would.


attn-nico-ecu-fans-t518224.html

[Q451990]

That's a nice looking Q!

[OwnerCS]

It is sweet one for sure. Could the miss is coming from one or more failed injectors?

It must have been kept out of the sun for most of its life. I must say it is the first I've seen that is in better condition than my 91 when I bought it in 2010. The only other 1st gen that I've seen close to that condition was a 91 model the local dealer found with 65,000 miles that they shined up and put on their showroom floor for the grand opening of their new building. It is a fare find with the original wheels that actually shine.

Somehow I think the steering wheel cover was put there to protect the original leather wrapping. I actually run mine with a cloth/spandex like cover to preserve the original leather wrapping.

If you need a plastic cap for the strut tower I'll be glad to mail you one as I have a couple extra in my tool box.

[Q451990]

Could the miss is coming from one or more failed injectors?

I'd bet a very cold large beer on it.

[Brew Q]

LOL - don't take that bet.

Looks like it sold! fleabay for 3100 - that was quick.

Wes you buy it? looking for an active

[Q45-V8]

Yeah, I bought that car 2 days ago.

[Brew Q]

changing the injectors?

[Q45-V8]

It's being shipped from Washington, I'll have it in roughly 10 days.

If you guys recommend changing the injectors, I'll do it. The seller says it may just be that it was not driven hardly at all for almost 7 years (confirmed by autocheck) so maybe just driving it with some aggression for a few days will make it clear up?

Big question: car was manufactured in January of 1993, am I lucky enough to have metal timing chain guides, or am I like 3 months to early?

[Q45-V8]

... and I was able to find a thread by an owner who has a 93 Q45 and he was prepared to replace his timing chain guides, and found he had the metal ones, His was built in 08/1992, and his guides were also dated 08/1992.

I figure given my car was built a full 5 months later, and Nissan utilizes just-in-time supply chain management like toyota and honda, then I should be safe and can just enjoy the car, thank god.

But my question is, how the HELL was this never a recall? Ive been an SC400 owner and member of clublexus for 11 years now, and I'm astounded Nissan would let this happen in a luxury marque

[Brew Q]

how the HELL was this never a recall?

believe it or not the E38 and E39 Bimmers 740's and 540's of 97-03 had plastic chain guides - they ALWAYS fail on those and there is no metal alternative nor any recall...they just have to replace with OEM plastic ones again. Those guys typically do them every 100-120k and it is a TIME SUCK of a job!

on the injectors it'd be best to check the impedance, but I guess you could always run some Techron or similar thru the car and see if it runs smoother.

[elwesso]

Realistically it was never a recall because very few failed under warranty. Obviously they figured out that they broke, but it's not uncommon to still see cars with original guides that still run OK, and they did take care of it, so out of 11 years of the VH engine in the Q45 only 3 model years were affected, so overall it's not that bad IMO.

I think it's kind of a luck thing. What happens is the pieces of the chain guides get stuck in the chain and derail the chain from the cam sprocket. I've seen chain guides that have broke clean off and fallen down into the oil pan, and the car is still running fine.

Not to mention, the chain guides cost about the same amount to do as a timing belt on a 1UZ, and you only have to do it once in it's lifetime versus every 60-100k, so overall I think Nissan was better by using the chain..

I think the first thing to do is check the injector resistance like Brett said. Running fuel injector cleaner or the "Italian tune up" won't really fix the injectors. If it turns out that more than one injector is bad, I'd recommend replacing them all with the phase 2 injectors (from a 94+). I'll wager one of Bret's beers that you have at least 2 bad injectors.

To be as practical as possible, you're most likely looking at replacing all 8 injectors, all the under plenum hoses, and probably the knock sensors (since you'll be in there).. That's at least a $1000 job there if you can DIY and find parts cheap.

[Q45-V8]

A very valid point. Injectors is that labor intensive?

Do you guys have a a link to the injectors you recommend?

Remember: 11+ year lexus veteran, I know the 1UZ inside and out, not a FRIKKIN CLUE about Nissan's V8 (except its considerably more powerful)

[elwesso]

When I said $1000, that was just in parts NO labor. Deatschwerks is probably the best place for injectors, they sell brand new ones that are flow matched.

The VH45 is fairly comparable to the 1UZ except its a little bigger dimensionally, doesn't have the starter under the intake manifold, and the power steering pump isn't located directly above the alternator..

On the early ones, almost everything is sealed with RTV, which is kind of good because you don't need gaskets, but it can get messy.

[Q45-V8]

"and the power steering pump isn't located directly above the alternator.. "

A car with the power steering pump *NOT* located directly above a sensitive electrical component?!

http://hanajibu.tumblr.com/post/33954927015

[BCC93QT]

Keep in mind we have not seen a 93 with plastic guides. My 93 was built 9/92 and it had metal backed guides with no sign of them being installed after the factory

[Q45-V8]

Keep in mind we have not seen a 93 with plastic guides. My 93 was built 9/92 and it had metal backed guides with no sign of them being installed after the factory

Roger that... I actually indicated i saw a post from someone who had a 93 model year built in august of 92, and he had steel guides, which (when inspected) were also built in august of 92, I'm 5 months newer. and I figure completely safe.

[mattd1979]

You can go to your local Infinti dealer with your VIN and request a vehicle maintenance history report. Nice to have a background on the car.

[Q45-V8]

Called driver for an update today, he has 9 cars total, he's dropping off 5 in upstate NY, and he should have mine delivered on Saturday evening.. very excited!

I already ordered a gold cima "V8" to put on the trunklid, and about to pull the trigger on a gold plated "Q45" to replace the chrome one (the car has a gold front cloisonne symbol, gold trimmed wheel caps, and a gold antenna nut, so I figure I'll finish off the other two in gold,... not sure.

[OwnerCS]

Called driver for an update today, he has 9 cars total, he's dropping off 5 in upstate NY, and he should have mine delivered on Saturday evening.. very excited!

I already ordered a gold cima "V8" to put on the trunklid, and about to pull the trigger on a gold plated "Q45" to replace the chrome one (the car has a gold front cloisonne symbol, gold trimmed wheel caps, and a gold antenna nut, so I figure I'll finish off the other two in gold,... not sure.

CONGRATULATIONS! Do post some pics of your new baby when she arrives.

Actually gold cloisonné hood ornaments have appeared on some fine automobiles through the years.

Here are a few examples below.

[BadQ45t]

The 93' had most of the issues sorted out and was still a beast. You will track down all the gremlins with the help of this board and hopefully you'll get a lot of double-takes from this car. There are very few good examples of these cars left on the road, really even the 3rd Gens are starting to look old.

Post up pics!

[Q45-V8]

Just got it... I'm f***ing thrilled...

but.... am I to understand, that this car does have a single cupholder?

[goody90q45]

You have two in the rear seat center console but none in the driver;s area where you really need them. I made some from redwood burl that work nicely. See my signature if you're interested in having one.

[OwnerCS]

Glad to see she arrived ok.

[Q45-V8]

I'll probably write a detailed review of it, comparing it to my EXTENSIVE ownership (10+ yrs) of a Lexus and post it both here and club lexus.

So far, she ides rough as I expected, but one she gets the throttle, it's pretty much running fine, and very, very fast. Would you all recommend having a shop check to see exactly what it is (likely injectors) before I change them?

I plan on doing injectors (deatschwrrks) and also lugs, wires, coils, knock sensor. If I'm missing something please speak up...

[elwesso]

Honestly most shops are useless when it comes to checking it out. With our recommendations you'll be able to check everything just fine. There's a writeup on Q45.org on how to check the injectors. As long as you know how to use a VOM you can do it in 15 mins or less! If you do take it to a shop, you're going to have to be very specific on what you want done and how to do it, because the only way they're going to be able to diagnose problems is by replacing parts, as very few independent shops have access to a consult.

[Brew Q]

I plan on doing injectors (deatschwrrks) and also lugs, wires, coils, knock sensor. If I'm missing something please speak up...

update the chain guides to metal, unless you get lucky and find out that's been done.

Congrats! I'm hoping to finalize a deal on a new to me Q this week

[Q45-V8]

Honestly most shops are useless when it comes to checking it out. With our recommendations you'll be able to check everything just fine. There's a writeup on Q45.org on how to check the injectors. As long as you know how to use a VOM you can do it in 15 mins or less! If you do take it to a shop, you're going to have to be very specific on what you want done and how to do it, because the only way they're going to be able to diagnose problems is by replacing parts, as very few independent shops have access to a consult.

Wes, I sent you a Pm about what path I should take for the injectors (1993 or 1994+ with new fue rails etc)

Also I dont have access to a Volt ohm meter, I wish I did....


"update the chain guides to metal, unless you get lucky and find out that's been done.

Congrats! I'm hoping to finalize a deal on a new to me Q this week "

My timing chain guides are almost certainly metal, there was a guy with a 93 Q45 built in 08/92 that had the original chain guides that were metal, and mine was built in 01/1993. Damn shame it was one month too early for the new rotary style injectors..