8.9 Magnitude Earthquake Hit Japan

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anything can melt. Lava is molten rock. The temperature inside a reactor vessel are extremely high when out of control.

These containers are tough, but I don't know how tough. With the tops blown off the buildings steam pressure build up is no longer an issue. If they keep dumping seawater on them they may cool down, but this is a unique situation and it's all best guesses at this point.

If the reactor burns a hole in the bottom we have a problem.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/20 ... 5_VA_N.htm
Without water to cool nuclear fuel rods, temperatures above 1,600 degrees Fahrenheit can melt the metal that covers uranium pellets inside the rods, said nuclear consultant Douglas Chin of MPR Associates in Alexandria, Va., an engineering firm. That causes the release of radioactive material inside the rods and the metal to blister and peel away. If the rods grow hot enough, uranium disc pellets, the fuel in the fuel rod, slump into the center of the reactor, where they are cooled by the water still at the bottom of the reactor chamber and pile up in lumps.

Just don't call it a meltdown, some engineers say.

"Meltdown is a Hollywood term; nobody really uses it," said radiation safety specialist Bruce Busby of the Fred Hutchison Cancer Research Center in Seattle. "What we are really talking about is core damage."

Core damage sounds bad enough, but the distinction does matter.

"Meltdown is what I call the 'Jane Fonda scenario,' " said nuclear consultant Lake Barrett, a former Energy Department and Nuclear Regulatory Commission engineer, referencing the 1979 movie The China Syndrome, in which a melting reactor core breaks through the containment barriers below it.

In such a meltdown, the fuel rods inside a reactor melt together into a mass, hugging the steel floor of a reactor chamber. In this Hollywood depiction, the process goes out of control, the hot fuel eats through the 8-inch steel floor, and goes all the way to China. It reaches the groundwater and spreads radioactivity for hundreds of miles.

In reality, "that's impossible; it didn't even happen at Chernobyl," said Barrett, referring to the 1986 disaster in Soviet Ukraine, the worst nuclear reactor disaster in history.

Busby calls the fuel-rod disintegration more of a "crumbling," where the discs fall apart. Others use different analogies.

"In reality, first (the rods) drip down to the floor of the reactor like a candle melting," Barrett said. "There is still water at the bottom of the reactor. That cools the fuel off."


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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42037498/ns ... a-pacific/

Time lapse of the earthquake and aftershocks. My friend sent me this from Tokyo.

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The only truly bad thing happening right now is the fire at the spent fuel retention pond.

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We just now had another quake, between 6-7 and was centered in Shizuoka which is 3 prefectures away from me. Was a good one too. Lasted about 45 seconds.

Everything is all good, homies and homettes!

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I'm finally catching up with all of this. Absolutely astonishing.

Glad everyone in the NICO family is ok. Prayers for everyone affected in Japan. It is absolutely shocking watching all the youtube videos.

Side question - has there ever been an earthquake that carried this many aftershocks before this one? It seems like a TON of them!

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_o ... _accidents

Pretty up-to-date status of Fukushima for those who are interested.

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Anyone else wondering if there will be a massive celebrity filled telethon for this like there was for Haiti? Personally I don't think there will be one, not because celebrity's don't care, but because Japan is not a 3rd world country and has a more than ample infrastructure to rebuild with the American people as a whole probably won't want to be as involved. If I had the money to donate I would gladly donate it, while I understand that every dollar helps, it just won't help very much if my couple of dollars are the dollars going there, I'll just donate blood instead.

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The thing I hate most about US Culture is that we are obsessed with things that don't matter. I turned on the news yesterday and they were talking about the whole Charlie Sheen thing (which I still don't understand nor care to) when there are much more pressing issues going on. Reminds me why I don't watch TV anymore.


As far as Fukushima goes, there was a fire in reactor 4 earlier today, Reuters reports that radiation is too high for humans to fight the fire, but TEPCO made a statement that there was no fire visible a half an hour later.


Death toll is now at 9,700, I'm definitely going to be donating some money shortly.

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Death toll is not at 9,700. It's slightly under 3,400. There are still about 6,800 missing.
It's a total of just about 10,000 dead or missing.

3,373 people confirmed dead, 6,746 missing


Found this as well.
Radiation levels spike in Tokyo

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Chris28 wrote:As far as Fukushima goes, there was a fire in reactor 4 earlier today, Reuters reports that radiation is too high for humans to fight the fire, but TEPCO made a statement that there was no fire visible a half an hour later.
It's Japan, they probably have a few of these floating around...

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42101198/?gt1=43001
A small crew of technicians, braving radiation and fire, became the only people remaining at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station on Tuesday — and perhaps Japan’s last chance of preventing a broader nuclear catastrophe.
Amazing the capability of people to cast aside personal safety for the greater good. I don't know that I possess such levels of character. I hope they come through this.

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Gold Digger wrote:Found this as well.
Radiation levels spike in Tokyo
I don't listen to Ishihara. He's famous for saying stupid things.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/ ... 315x7.html
Tokyo Gov. Shintaro Ishihara apologized Tuesday for his remark that the devastating earthquake and subsequent tsunami that struck eastern and northeastern Japan represented "divine punishment" of the Japanese people who have been tainted with egoism.

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Gold Digger wrote:Death toll is not at 9,700. It's slightly under 3,400. There are still about 6,800 missing.
It's a total of just about 10,000 dead or missing.

3,373 people confirmed dead, 6,746 missing

Ah, I was just listening to the news while browsing the internet, must have heard the total dead/missing number and jumped the gun. My mistake.

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themadscientist wrote:
Amazing the capability of people to cast aside personal safety for the greater good. I don't know that I possess such levels of character. I hope they come through this.
Yup, there were a few of those guys at Chernobyl too... and yet you never hear about them :(

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My prayers go out to all in Japan and all the families.I hope everyone from Japan on nico are well and there families.

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Some links whilst browsing...
One that explains what is involved in a nuclear reactor meltdown.
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2 ... wer-plants
And one that gives me the bloody willies.
http://www.dump.com/2011/03/12/crazy-vi ... ake-video/

The problem with Nuclear power is you can NOT go to the lowest bidder, like at Fukushima and a LOT of other sites around the world. Cost cutting measures turn into serious design flaws.
Putting the cooling system and reactor on different foundation pads to save a couple hundred thousand dollars in concrete in a VERY ACTIVE SEISMIC ZONE = a bonehead idea...and they are paying for it. Just like much of the West Coast will when the Big One goes after us.

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Chaotic_Warlord wrote:Anyone else wondering if there will be a massive celebrity filled telethon for this like there was for Haiti? Personally I don't think there will be one, not because celebrity's don't care, but because Japan is not a 3rd world country and has a more than ample infrastructure to rebuild with the American people as a whole probably won't want to be as involved. If I had the money to donate I would gladly donate it, while I understand that every dollar helps, it just won't help very much if my couple of dollars are the dollars going there, I'll just donate blood instead.

I would rather donate 1000 dollars to japan than .10 to haiti

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Amid the silent corpses a baby cried out - and Japan met its tiniest miracle.

On March 14 soldiers from the Japanese Defense Force were going door-to-door, pulling bodies from homes flattened by the earthquake and tsunami in Ishinomaki City, a coastal town northeast of Senda. More accustomed to the crunching of rubble and the sloshing of mud than to the sound of life, they dismissed the baby's cry as a mistake. Until they heard it again. (See 7 ways to help earthquake and tsunami victims in Japan.)
They made their way to the pile of debris, and carefully removed fragments of wood and slate, shattered glass and rock. And then they saw her: a four-month old baby girl in a pink woolen bear suit.
The tidal wave literally swept the unnamed girl away from her parents' arms when it hit their home on March 11. Since then her parents - both of whom survived the disaster - have taken refuge in their wrecked house, and worried that their little girl was dead. Soldiers managed to reunite the baby with her overjoyed father shortly after the rescue.
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I was going through my huge pile of saved/recorded TV shows I havent watched and came across National Geographic's Megaquake which aired in January 2011 and focused on the worst that could happen around the world, including Northern Japan. They talked about how earthquake-proof structures could dampen the flow of a tsunami into a city, and the possibility of a big quake in Japan causing tsunamis that could hit the US west coast.

Spooky.

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my mom has been following this pretty closely, Reactor 4 sounds scary...among others.

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breadbox wrote:my mom has been following this pretty closely, Reactor 4 sounds scary...among others.

Tell me about it.

I am 130 miles away from that place.

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Are you being asked to stay indoors?

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Not yet, but I have some plans in the works and not taking any chances.

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snwbrdr435 wrote:
Chaotic_Warlord wrote:Anyone else wondering if there will be a massive celebrity filled telethon for this like there was for Haiti? Personally I don't think there will be one, not because celebrity's don't care, but because Japan is not a 3rd world country and has a more than ample infrastructure to rebuild with the American people as a whole probably won't want to be as involved. If I had the money to donate I would gladly donate it, while I understand that every dollar helps, it just won't help very much if my couple of dollars are the dollars going there, I'll just donate blood instead.

I would rather donate 1000 dollars to japan than .10 to haiti
not to be off topic, but would you mind explaining why you feel this way?

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I donated to Red Cross. It's really easy to do.
http://american.redcross.org/site/PageS ... tPagePanel

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I cried.
http://hotpoliticians.com/2011/03/16/do ... -in-japan/

The Japan tsunami dog video shows a dog standing guard by another injured dog amid the wreckage of the tsunami.
According to a rough translation provided by Jezebel, the reporters say that the dog is protecting his injured friend from the reporters, trying to make sure they don't get too close.

The video is in Japanese, but the video of the dogs taking care of each other is one that animal lover can understand.


There was a happy ending though. Both dogs were rescued and adopted.

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The danger continues. Spiked levels of radiation are cause for extreme concern. Threat of meltdown is still very real.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110318/ts_ ... apan_quake

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so are californians ready for their nuclear wave of air?


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