4wd s14

[impact240sx]

Hey I say deffinately turn your car into awd and do a write up on here. I don't understand why everyone is hating on the idea, you could buy a skyline, but if you made your s14 awd then you have the pride of ownership, and knowing you built it and not nissan. I think if you have a wild and crazy idea try it, don't listen to other people tell you to go mainstream. Good Luck.

[TRBOMOFO]

we here at NICO would like to thank you for joining this rag tag team and hope you enjoy the expirence

[tramp_drift240]

everyone understands that it would be sweet to have an AWD 240.

(i guess)

i, myself, am more of a fan of a 240/180/200/silvia being RWD. thats what they are. rear wheel drive vehicles.

plus, it would definitely be more cost efficient, and more reliable overall, to just get a gtr. youve got access to them, theyre not that expensive.

sometimes the cost and reliability takes priority over "wow-factor"

[dickie]

Hey I say deffinately turn your car into awd and do a write up on here. I don't understand why everyone is hating on the idea, you could buy a skyline, but if you made your s14 awd then you have the pride of ownership, and knowing you built it and not nissan. I think if you have a wild and crazy idea try it, don't listen to other people tell you to go mainstream. Good Luck.

[IanS]

Hey I say deffinately turn your car into awd and do a write up on here. I don't understand why everyone is hating on the idea, you could buy a skyline, but if you made your s14 awd then you have the pride of ownership, and knowing you built it and not nissan. I think if you have a wild and crazy idea try it, don't listen to other people tell you to go mainstream. Good Luck.

What planet are you living on?

[E7-S14]

What planet are you living on?

sad part is..just about everything has been "done".

its just some more than others.

and flatblackian.i dont get your reply to impact240sx's post...

[Stev0n]

id love to see a stock eclipse spyder that was awd not all talons were awd. they were just like the eclipse you have NA fwd, turbo fwd, turbo awd, NA spyder fwd(eclipse), turbo spyder fwd(eclipse). i would like to see you find an eclipse or eagle talon outside of North America. DSM= built for the states

1) i meant to say eclipse gsx/gsr - whichever was the turbo model.

2) i never said all tsi talons were awd.

3)my bad - i didnt know eclipse's/talons weren't released everywhere. On the other hand, they WERE introduced in Taiwan. The last time I checked Taiwan was not one of the united states.

4)DSM= Diamond Star Motors

[spooled240]

Ok, i remember reading the article on this full race r14 and they were estimating that it was going to cost about 15,000 for the conversion...You can find a stripped zenki for 500 bucks, so I'd say about $20,000 out the door and you can have yourself a very nicely done R14(give or take)

This doesn't sound too crazy to me, since it's been done before...it might not be "cost effective" or very "smart", etc.. but I am not one to say this isn't a good idea, least with an R14 you won't be another skyline driver.

[IanS]

and flatblackian.i dont get your reply to impact240sx's post...

Its a case of blind leading the blind. Neither party fully understands the amount of money, work, and time it will require to do this, not to mention, trouble shooting all the little issues, then following up with all the driveability and reliability issues that are sure to follow. They are dreaming, and I for one live in reality.

For everyday people this conversion is not a viable, or normal option.

If the op has the cash flow and know how to complete such a frankencar, more power to him, but intuition tells me, he is just another kid with a dream.

[spooled240]

yeah to make this happen you would either need to be an engineer with a full shop and experience in fab work, or just have a lot of money for the full race conversion, etc.

[jas14]

hi guys thank you all for your responses i wanted to do the conversion to hav sumthing differnt i have a donor gtr lined up for the conversion and isnt going to cost very much because the r32 can no longer be imported and made road legal i would love a gtr but evan down here thay are still worth there weight in gold. and if i cant change from 4wd to rwd with the flick of a switch i wont be going though with it .hav found a 4wd controler that can do this bt not 100% shure yet.
Modified by jas14 at 11:36 PM 9/13/2008

[Hijacker]

If the op has the cash flow and know how to complete such a frankencar, more power to him, but intuition tells me, he is just another kid with a dream.

You're forgetting one other thing, too Ian. This kind of process is a case of "if you have to ask, you can't do it" This isn't a bolt on affair like a motor swap. It requires a lot of precision fabrication. If you're having to go to a web forum to look for a how-to, you're not going to be able to do it.

[pj]

You're forgetting one other thing, too Ian. This kind of process is a case of "if you have to ask, you can't do it" This isn't a bolt on affair like a motor swap. It requires a lot of precision fabrication. If you're having to go to a web forum to look for a how-to, you're not going to be able to do it.

with all due respect to the moderator, ian etc.im afraid i slightly disagree. what this wants to do, yeah its a little nuts...but who's to say he cant get it done? i remember when putting sr20det's in was like, 'omfg!" now its completely commonplace.as as far as the comment of if you have to ask you wont be able to do it? lol i dont know about you but the first time i tore an engine down, i didnt really know how, head gasket change? didnt really know how and had to ask some questions....first time i serviced a transmission...guess what...i had to ask questions. ive been around cars my entire damn life and im 26 now and i still ask questions here and there.i too live in reality, for me its crappy tools, crappy workspace and no money. but i get things done with some effort and perseverance.give the guy a damn break, who knows? even though it's way more$$$$$$ and waaay more work, in 5 years maybe there will be a horde of r14's cruising around....just as now there are silvia'd 240sx's.

[spooled240]

i think the only choice here is the full race conversion, which is $$$$..I take back my original estimate of a 20,000 dollar R14, TT supras are still 40,000 so it doesn't take a genius to figure out that full race is gonna make tons of money off each conversion they do since they are the only people doing it as far as I know.

Plus the demand for an R14 once they start doing conversions might be pretty high, but maybe not being that the cars won't be smog legal in some states..it might turn into another motorex thing (Really high prices and low demand)

back on topic though, this would be one helluva project even for professionals.

[RCA]

An R14 reminds me of when people spend HUGE money to put a "H22 in the hatch section of an Integra because that is where the engine is in the NSX".

Buy a GT-R (R32+) it will be cheeper lmao

But if this is one of those I want to do it to be diffrent then yea, go for it.You are allready diffrent from us...You have way more money then most to spend on a 240sx

[kitkat224]

[IanS]

with all due respect to the moderator, ian etc.im afraid i slightly disagree. what this wants to do, yeah its a little nuts...but who's to say he cant get it done? i remember when putting sr20det's in was like, 'omfg!" now its completely commonplace.as as far as the comment of if you have to ask you wont be able to do it? lol i dont know about you but the first time i tore an engine down, i didnt really know how, head gasket change? didnt really know how and had to ask some questions....first time i serviced a transmission...guess what...i had to ask questions. ive been around cars my entire damn life and im 26 now and i still ask questions here and there.i too live in reality, for me its crappy tools, crappy workspace and no money. but i get things done with some effort and perseverance.give the guy a damn break, who knows? even though it's way more$$$$$$ and waaay more work, in 5 years maybe there will be a horde of r14's cruising around....just as now there are silvia'd 240sx's.

I'm an ASE certified mechanic, I ask questions all the time, but this is different.

A conversion like this requires more than answers, there will be a generous amount of welding, fabricating, research, trial and error, and rare, hard to find parts, involved. There will be hundreds of questions that no one can answer, and even more problems with no solution.

In my experience, the people who perform conversions like this, don't ever ask, they just do. Hijackers is right, for something like this, if you have to ask, you most likely cannot do it.

If the OP, or anyone else, thinks they actually have the guff to perform such a crazy build, then more power to them, but IMHO I don't see it happening.

Prove me wrong though, I dare you, build your own R14, then post pictures and videos. I would love to see it done, but like I said, before, I live in reality, and over the years, Ive gotten pretty good at spotting BS.

[Hijacker]

with all due respect to the moderator, ian etc.im afraid i slightly disagree. what this wants to do, yeah its a little nuts...but who's to say he cant get it done? i remember when putting sr20det's in was like, 'omfg!" now its completely commonplace.as as far as the comment of if you have to ask you wont be able to do it? lol i dont know about you but the first time i tore an engine down, i didnt really know how, head gasket change? didnt really know how and had to ask some questions....first time i serviced a transmission...guess what...i had to ask questions. ive been around cars my entire damn life and im 26 now and i still ask questions here and there.i too live in reality, for me its crappy tools, crappy workspace and no money. but i get things done with some effort and perseverance.give the guy a damn break, who knows? even though it's way more$$$$$$ and waaay more work, in 5 years maybe there will be a horde of r14's cruising around....just as now there are silvia'd 240sx's.

Head gasket change is nowhere near anything like doing a full drivetrain swap. Yes, it can be done. Has been done. However, like Ian and I have both said, the people that did it had experience in fabrication. Full Race plotted everything on their conversion kit with CAD. They had engineers to figure out how to weld in the front suspension. Not everyone can go out and weld a double wishbone front suspension to replace their macpherson setup. The people that can, do it. The people that can't, ask for how tos.

Also, an SR swap is by far, one of the easiest motor swaps in the history of car-dom. There is no fitment issues, no major wiring snafus, and 100% of the parts are factory Nissan. Also, with headgasket changes. You know a bunch of people who have done one. You have service manuals that detail how to remove the head and reinstall. There is no such guide for swapping in a completely alien drivetrain setup into a car.

There's a first gen MX-6 somewhere out there that has had the body work swapped onto a foxbody mustang drivetrain. The guy that did that conversion probably didn't ask someone on the MX-6 boards. He just did it.

Years ago, when the LanEvos hit our shores, many people on the EvoM.net boards wanted to swap 4WD setups into their Mirages and Lancers. I saw a ton of questions "can it be done?" The short answer was "Yes. With lots of money and fabrication". There was no definitive "Here's what you do" or an estimate of cost and time. It just came down to the simple "if you have to ask, you probably can't do it"

Now, for the OP. I don't know his background. For all I know, this guy has been swapping FWD cars onto RWD platforms all his life. Maybe he has the knowhow and was looking for a slight bit of guidance. He's stated he has the drivetrain and everything already sourced. Great! He's got 5% of the workload done. The next easy step is to set the motor and rear diff in. After that, it gets hard. He'll have to figure out the mounting points of the front suspension. That's much easier said than done. He'll have to figure out how to get the front axles around the frame.

After mechanics are done, he'll have to figure out the wiring for the motor to the chassis, as well as the 4WD system. I've looked at the diagrams for the ATTESSA system. It's not pretty. There's a reason Full Race left the electronic 4WD system out and made it into a mechanical lever system. There is no wiring how to for the ATTESSA system.

If he wants HICAS, he'll have to convert the rear suspension over to that as well.

It all adds up into one, very long, very expensive project. The last time I saw an individual attempt this, he got the motor and rear in. Ran out of money, and presumably know how, and offloaded the car on eBay.

[IanS]

Head gasket change is nowhere near anything like doing a full drivetrain swap. Yes, it can be done. Has been done. However, like Ian and I have both said, the people that did it had experience in fabrication. Full Race plotted everything on their conversion kit with CAD. They had engineers to figure out how to weld in the front suspension. Not everyone can go out and weld a double wishbone front suspension to replace their macpherson setup. The people that can, do it. The people that can't, ask for how tos.

Also, an SR swap is by far, one of the easiest motor swaps in the history of car-dom. There is no fitment issues, no major wiring snafus, and 100% of the parts are factory Nissan. Also, with headgasket changes. You know a bunch of people who have done one. You have service manuals that detail how to remove the head and reinstall. There is no such guide for swapping in a completely alien drivetrain setup into a car.

There's a first gen MX-6 somewhere out there that has had the body work swapped onto a foxbody mustang drivetrain. The guy that did that conversion probably didn't ask someone on the MX-6 boards. He just did it.

Years ago, when the LanEvos hit our shores, many people on the EvoM.net boards wanted to swap 4WD setups into their Mirages and Lancers. I saw a ton of questions "can it be done?" The short answer was "Yes. With lots of money and fabrication". There was no definitive "Here's what you do" or an estimate of cost and time. It just came down to the simple "if you have to ask, you probably can't do it"

Now, for the OP. I don't know his background. For all I know, this guy has been swapping FWD cars onto RWD platforms all his life. Maybe he has the knowhow and was looking for a slight bit of guidance. He's stated he has the drivetrain and everything already sourced. Great! He's got 5% of the workload done. The next easy step is to set the motor and rear diff in. After that, it gets hard. He'll have to figure out the mounting points of the front suspension. That's much easier said than done. He'll have to figure out how to get the front axles around the frame.

After mechanics are done, he'll have to figure out the wiring for the motor to the chassis, as well as the 4WD system. I've looked at the diagrams for the ATTESSA system. It's not pretty. There's a reason Full Race left the electronic 4WD system out and made it into a mechanical lever system. There is no wiring how to for the ATTESSA system.

If he wants HICAS, he'll have to convert the rear suspension over to that as well.

It all adds up into one, very long, very expensive project. The last time I saw an individual attempt this, he got the motor and rear in. Ran out of money, and presumably know how, and offloaded the car on eBay.

QFMFT

I applaud your patience for typing all that, I just didn't have the heart.

[pj]

i fully understand what both of you guys are saying, and i am completely aware of the cost, labour and hair pulling hours involved....there was atime when i contemplated turning a buddies mirage into an "evo" of sorts...and i have no problems admitting it was too much for me to handle. ian, id love to prove you wrong though bro, just for laughs and stuff, not hate. but im poor i cant even buy decent rims lol and i dont have the capability to complete it myself, being honestas far as the fab, if he's got dough for the fullrace parts thats another bit of a % done.its a moot point anyway, i was just trying to back the new guy a little. and highjacker, simplicity or sr aside, dude back in the day when i was younger sr20 swap was a big deal, now its not...the contrast of the times was all i was pointing out, i know its a big diff just making a similar topic relate to the circumstance, or trying to.
Modified by pj at 7:07 PM 9/14/2008

[ashoe]

I have seen an infinity g35 with a rb26dett installed and the car was converted into 4wd. It is possible. But the expense and difficulty involved??? I would personally love to see this done! But even if I had the money to do a project like this I would spend it on something else.

[Mangudai]

Since you're in NZ, I would just buy a GT-R

I gotta agree with this. Man, you guys got some nice old school cars over there.

[jas14]

I gotta agree with this. Man, you guys got some nice old school cars over there.

unfortunatly that would mean selling my car and i jst cant part with it to be honest. yeh we got a few of well looked after and restored old school rides .

[jas14]

[QUOTE=Hijacker]

wow thanks for your input that must hav taken a while to write. at this point in time i am jst wanting to see wat info on this is out there thanks

[apoopoo999]

sorry for bring this up from the dead but I was wondering if you have any updates or if you can do a write up on your 4wd conversion. Any info you can share would be great

[Dittoz7]

Most Likely Didn't Do Anything.I Would Just Get A R32.

R32 > Any Silvia

[dickie]

sorry for bring this up from the dead but I was wondering if you have any updates or if you can do a write up on your 4wd conversion. Any info you can share would be great

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called out by the first post of a new member.

[sebazztard]

[AutoShadow]

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[xX RB Xx]

I have seen an infinity g35 with a rb26dett installed and the car was converted into 4wd. It is possible. But the expense and difficulty involved??? I would personally love to see this done! But even if I had the money to do a project like this I would spend it on something else.

you know there is a diffrence between 4WD and AWD

AWD is engaged all the time like an STI or EVO and cannot be disenaged

4WD is manually engaged by the driver and is only used in some of the time in certian situations like ice or mud.. Like in a JEEP.