300zx vx 240sx
300zx vx 240sx
ok I know the 300zx is a much better car.IMO but I think the 240 is just way more fun. I know at a high speed track the 300zx will own the 240 b/c of its downforce(more stable at high speeds) but what about on a very small track. lots of tight turns.i know the 300 will also own on the straightaways but my question is handling based. so which one would win???
That is a near impossible question to answer.
If you've ever driven on a road course, or just raced in general.. you know it all boils down to drivers.. Go to a open track day, you will see cars pass cars you would have never thought would have been capable of doing that.
Whatever handles better is going to be determined by who is the better driver.. Who can take the car to the threshold of grip.
Racing is about the preservation of momentum, period. Whoever preserves more momentum, wins. This is why you see suprises all the time at the track.
I don't even know if the 300zx is a twin turbo.. The NA Z brakes are weaker then the TTs, but are probably still more capable then stock 240sx brakes.. Brakes are KEY.. The more potent brakes, the harder you can go into a corner..
I haven't raced much, but I love racing.. The few times I've been on a track, give me the feeling that this is a near impossible question to ask. The cars are close enough, that it will all boil down to driver ability.. Plain and simple... Which ever one of you is a better driver, is going to come out on top. That's my guess
If you've ever driven on a road course, or just raced in general.. you know it all boils down to drivers.. Go to a open track day, you will see cars pass cars you would have never thought would have been capable of doing that.
Whatever handles better is going to be determined by who is the better driver.. Who can take the car to the threshold of grip.
Racing is about the preservation of momentum, period. Whoever preserves more momentum, wins. This is why you see suprises all the time at the track.
I don't even know if the 300zx is a twin turbo.. The NA Z brakes are weaker then the TTs, but are probably still more capable then stock 240sx brakes.. Brakes are KEY.. The more potent brakes, the harder you can go into a corner..
I haven't raced much, but I love racing.. The few times I've been on a track, give me the feeling that this is a near impossible question to ask. The cars are close enough, that it will all boil down to driver ability.. Plain and simple... Which ever one of you is a better driver, is going to come out on top. That's my guess
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I've got both, a 93'300zx n/a stock vert and a 95' 240sxse stock with a stabilizer bolted down in the trunk from an old police car. The 240 dances on the curves, the 300 has more power to come off the curve but handles great. Never ran them on the same road at the same time. Wife won't run as hard on the curves as I do, so it would be hard to compare.Ran with an 88 Shiro turbo (Z31) the other day in the mountains, the 240 was taking the curves better but he had the power to waste me anytime he wanted.
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the size of the cars and weight is a valid concern on tight tracks though. i managed to beat two cupercharged stangs for a few laps at my last auto-x (then it the pavement got dry and i started mass murdering cones) and a 240 with an SR ran half a second slower then a Z06 with hoosiers. both great drivers (Z06 driver was a regional SCCA champ)
The Z and the 240 are different classes of cars (obviously). The Z32 especially is more of a GT car rather than a light nimble sports car like the 240. The Z was Nissans top end sports car here, but in Japan they were the least tuned of the lineup (Silvia, Z, and Skyline). I think alot of this has to do with the limitations of the V6. I never liked that engine.
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In all categories, a stock 300ZX will outperform a stock 240sx.If you're talking about pure cornering ability, the ZX is probably very slightly better at cornering, (its pretty close). But when you add in the gigantic difference in acceleration coming out of the turn, any possible advantage or parity the 240sx has pretty much gets tossed out the window.
It's really not fair to weigh a heavily modded 240 vs a stock ZX. You do enough mods to any car and you can get quicker than a Z06. And on a race track, driver skill has the biggest influence on who's quicker. A good driver in a 240sx will always have better lap times than a poor driver in a ZX.
If you compare apples to apples, ZX is a better sports car. But it's more expensive to keep. That's not to say a sporty coupe (not sports car) like a 240sx can't be a blast on the track. they are.
It's really not fair to weigh a heavily modded 240 vs a stock ZX. You do enough mods to any car and you can get quicker than a Z06. And on a race track, driver skill has the biggest influence on who's quicker. A good driver in a 240sx will always have better lap times than a poor driver in a ZX.
If you compare apples to apples, ZX is a better sports car. But it's more expensive to keep. That's not to say a sporty coupe (not sports car) like a 240sx can't be a blast on the track. they are.
Please don't use autox experience as if it's in the same class as full out road racing.
Not to say autox isn't challenging or fun.. However the same cars who dominate autocross usually don't dominate road racing. They are two different forms of racing.. Lightweight cars, with lightning quick turn in/transitional cornering usually soar here.. The z06 soars everywhere, it's the exception.. However those precious lightweight hondas who do so well in autox wouldn't stand much of a chance in high speed cornering..
This is primarily a 240 board, so bashing on the VG probably won't get much response here, however it would in many circles. It has plenty of aftermarket. It's a solid engine. Had nissan included 550 injectors like the supra, it would have been a boost monster from the factory. The 300zx is a very solid car. Very capable chasis, high and low speed cornering. It was built at the height of the japanese bubble, don't forget that. Too bad there arn't more Z32 guys here, they would never allow such trashing to be had on the VG or the ZX.
Not to say autox isn't challenging or fun.. However the same cars who dominate autocross usually don't dominate road racing. They are two different forms of racing.. Lightweight cars, with lightning quick turn in/transitional cornering usually soar here.. The z06 soars everywhere, it's the exception.. However those precious lightweight hondas who do so well in autox wouldn't stand much of a chance in high speed cornering..
This is primarily a 240 board, so bashing on the VG probably won't get much response here, however it would in many circles. It has plenty of aftermarket. It's a solid engine. Had nissan included 550 injectors like the supra, it would have been a boost monster from the factory. The 300zx is a very solid car. Very capable chasis, high and low speed cornering. It was built at the height of the japanese bubble, don't forget that. Too bad there arn't more Z32 guys here, they would never allow such trashing to be had on the VG or the ZX.
Personally, I'd always take an inline over a V configuration...
Inlines are smoother then V's... There is a reason BMW has always, and hopefully will always continue to use Inline 6 engines.. Go drive a E46 m3, and try to find a V6 that can match it.. Jaguar and other companies used to use inlines exclusively, but the bean counters have won out in most companies, and the V config has won.
Only inline I owned was a supra, and it was a sweet engine.. Incredibly smooth and willing to rev, to the redline and beyond. Haven't had the privlege of driving an RB, but I would imagine it is the same.
Inlines are smoother then V's... There is a reason BMW has always, and hopefully will always continue to use Inline 6 engines.. Go drive a E46 m3, and try to find a V6 that can match it.. Jaguar and other companies used to use inlines exclusively, but the bean counters have won out in most companies, and the V config has won.
Only inline I owned was a supra, and it was a sweet engine.. Incredibly smooth and willing to rev, to the redline and beyond. Haven't had the privlege of driving an RB, but I would imagine it is the same.
I know you didnt' start this thread to bash on ZXs, I didn't mean to imply you did...
Most 240 owners are young kids.. Young kids tend to think whatever car they own is the best in the world.. I was guilty of this as well, as were most of my friends... Comparing the 240 to a ZX is a ridiculous comparison all in all.. Completely different vehicles.. The ZX had better numbers all around.. accelration, skidpad, slalom, etc.. It was built at the height of the Japanese bubble.. Much more research thought and engineering went into the Z, then the 240 that was sold here.. comparing apples and oranges.
Most 240 owners are young kids.. Young kids tend to think whatever car they own is the best in the world.. I was guilty of this as well, as were most of my friends... Comparing the 240 to a ZX is a ridiculous comparison all in all.. Completely different vehicles.. The ZX had better numbers all around.. accelration, skidpad, slalom, etc.. It was built at the height of the Japanese bubble.. Much more research thought and engineering went into the Z, then the 240 that was sold here.. comparing apples and oranges.
They never put the RB in a Z32.....scruffy63 wrote:well I didn't intend for this thread to be a 300zx bashing thread, I was just curious.why did they put the vg in there instead of an rb. which engine is a better engine. I know the rb has been tuned more, but other than that which engine is better?
The Z31 had a special edition, the 200ZR, but there was never a production Z32 with the RB. we have always had the VG. VG30E/T in the Z31 and VG30DE/TT in the Z32.
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And besides of course I don't ahve the best car in the world. The title OBVIOUSLY goes to the Supra. I mean I saw this guy one time he was making like 2080284592374592852rwhp on the stock turbo. Blah blah blah blah power to weight blah blah blah Fast and furious blah blah blah.
And besides of course I don't ahve the best car in the world. The title OBVIOUSLY goes to the Supra. I mean I saw this guy one time he was making like 2080284592374592852rwhp on the stock turbo. Blah blah blah blah power to weight blah blah blah Fast and furious blah blah blah.
i know they never put an rb in a z32, my question was why didn't they.if all test show that in the long run an inline will be better why not put the rb in there. I think this is what we should have got in the usa. as nissans top performance car in usa we should have got a rb in the 300zx. just think of the possibilities with that. and all the cheaper engine swaps:)
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The 300ZX isn't THAT heavy... 3400# isn't unheard of for a luxury sports coupe. Look at the weight of the Supra.
The 240SX isn't a "sports car", nor was it built to be. It was built to be a sportY car. Big difference.
Tough comparison, either way.
Best bet is to pull the specs for both cars when new and compare acceleration, handling, and braking figures. Since we can't go back in time, there's no way to know how they performed as new.
The 240SX isn't a "sports car", nor was it built to be. It was built to be a sportY car. Big difference.
Tough comparison, either way.
Best bet is to pull the specs for both cars when new and compare acceleration, handling, and braking figures. Since we can't go back in time, there's no way to know how they performed as new.
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The "bean counters" arent the only reason to use other engine configurations. Weight distribution, and fitment are other issues to consider. Not saying this was the case with the 300 though. They started with the VG engine before the RB series was in production. They may have wanted to stay with what they were using already for the 300. Who knows Nissan is goofy like that. I personally don't think the RB is the greatest engine ever made, but that is getting into personal opinion.