3.5 AC vs. 5.0 Mustang GT

[Ferguson]

Not sure if this is news to any of you guys, but a 3.5 AC (with a few parts) can def beat a 5.0 V8 Mustang GT. Mine did today, twice. It was a random meet on my way home from work (yes, I had to work today!), out in the country. I caught up to a really nice looking Stang GT, with straight pipes out the back, chromed tasteful wheels and fat tires. Our first run was from a rolling start (about 15 MPH) after following him onto a four-lane road from a two-lane. He nailed it first but by 75 MPH I had clawed my way barely past him. The second was from a dead stop at a traffic light that stopped me and he pulled up alongside. I turned off TCS. He had the MT, and revved it and dumped on the green. I just nailed it in manual mode. Both cars burned off the line, his obviously more than mine, but he had good rubber and didn‘t get excessive wheelspin. He seemed quite competent at shifting. That V8 makes a threatening sound! He pulled about a car length, but I reeled him in and had him by over a full car length at 75 MPH - he was fully in my side mirror. He powered down the tinted side window after we both backed off (not risking the cube law!) and I lip-read a WTF with one hand thrown into the air! He was obviously shocked (he probably saw ‘Altima‘ on the rear and figured easy win!), but I was shocked too! I was also thinking WTF! We exchanged thumbs-up and I drove the rest of the way home feeling happy now knowing that the AC isn’t an easy victory, and that I now have a pretty fair benchmark of my car‘s straight-line performance level. I’m sure the intake, exhaust, and pulley are the key factors but it’s nice to know that a V8 Stang is gonna have a rather tough time with my AC.

Side note - this was out in the country, with great visibility in all directions, good road, no one else around (Easter Sunday), and we both kept it to a sensible top speed.

[LongBeachCoupe]

Ferg, a 5.0 (older stang) or a new one.. i think they have been 4.6l for the past 10 yrs or so

[crayzitalian3]

congrats ferg, it must of felt sooooo awesome man, it feels good when i beat my friends v6 mustang lol not all the time though. sometimes i take him and then he takes me at times, but to know that i have the potential is good, and plus he has an intake and intake spacer!!!

[Ferguson]

LBC, yes, a 5.0! Why do you think I was so shocked!
Modified by Ferguson at 10:13 PM 4/12/2009

[dldjros69]

@ Crazy - my bro has a 6 cil stang with like 210 hp. I dont think my 2.5 could take him. Maybe on a track but not on the strip.

@ Fergy - If it was a 5.slow, did you take into consideration engine degredation?

My buddy had a 2000 gt not sure the volume but it only had 258 hps.

[Ferguson]

All I know about the car is that it was a 5.0, sounded very healthy, was nicely done (in terms of paint, wheels, etc.). I don't personally know the guy but it was def no 'hack job'. The car was pristine looking!

I have also found out, by word of mouth (based on basic description and black to silver window tint, from top to bottom) that he may live just a few miles from me. Gotta find out cause I'd like to know exactly what he's got, and I wouldn't mind another few passes with him cause it was SOOOO close!

[infused305]

congratz on the win!, but don't forget how much lighter the a/c is than a stang

[PyR0NiAk]

congrats, but keep in mind.. the 5.0 wasn't a great engine stock.. .the whole big deal with the 5.0 is the aftermarket following.. the new v6 stangs stock are actually faster than a 5.0 stang is stock either way nice job.. it's always fun to watch mustangs go down... got a friend with a civic hatch back home putting down around 330whp and he eats them up all the time..

[Hussain]

the 5.0 only had 220 hp i believe... plus over time the engine wont perform as good like others have said.... i mean dont get me wrong, those things can be crazy fast pretty easily (even running all motor.... N/A) but stock or just with exhaust, they're definitely not fast and a 3.5se will win no problem.... sounds like he had some stuff done to it or you would of beat him much more easily.... good runs though

[marvin5087]

hassain guys right..220 aint pushing that bucket no where..now slap some bolt ons and that thing will move

[crayzitalian3]

dldjros, my friend has an auto and to be truthfully honest, i don't want to start a fight, i have taken him before on a roll, maybe he had a bad reaction time at times, but i know that i have witnessed my car pullin him for a little..but i know the v6 is pretty quick

[Rob.Vegan]

Ferg, I love the imagery in your opening post

Glad you guys kept it reasonable as well, I hate those guys that burn off the line and then just keep going until they are stopped (traffic, light, tight roads etc). One guy in a Turbo TC wanted to race me down here on my way to school but I just let him fly by because it's a notorious speed trap and I don't need another one of those tickets

[dldjros69]

dldjros, my friend has an auto and to be truthfully honest, i don't want to start a fight, i have taken him before on a roll, maybe he had a bad reaction time at times, but i know that i have witnessed my car pullin him for a little..but i know the v6 is pretty quick

lol, no fighting. We can discuss like adults, (i hope). jk jk

For starters my bros car is 5mt.

The hp is 210, and the torque is 240. That torque alone is enough to hurt our 2.5s.

Mustang 3351 lbs - 15.9 lbs per hpA/C 3076 lbs - 17.6 lbs per hp

Stang is rear wheel drive.

Id say it would be a close race but the stang would prolly win in the end. It could possibly come down to a drivers race is the person in the stang is a crappy driver.

[Hussain]

the 2.5s has the V6 mustang to worry about and the 3.5se has the 2010 V6 camaro to worry about lol

[dldjros69]

the 2.5s has the V6 mustang to worry about and the 3.5se has the 2010 V6 camaro to worry about lol

1. why the heck is the v6 mustang engine so crappy2. v6 camaro 12.2 lbs/hp - 3.5 12 lbs/hp

If the camaro is rwd then i give it to the chevy.

[crayzitalian3]

lol, no fighting. We can discuss like adults, (i hope). jk jk

For starters my bros car is 5mt.

The hp is 210, and the torque is 240. That torque alone is enough to hurt our 2.5s.

Mustang 3351 lbs - 15.9 lbs per hpA/C 3076 lbs - 17.6 lbs per hp

Stang is rear wheel drive.

Id say it would be a close race but the stang would prolly win in the end. It could possibly come down to a drivers race is the person in the stang is a crappy driver.

lol i wasn't fighting, i was saying it nice and calm. i know he would whoop me, but for a second or two i pull him and then th big v6 comes in and pulls my a$$ back lol.

[RobPaulson]

the 2.5s has the V6 mustang to worry about and the 3.5se has the 2010 V6 camaro to worry about lol

+1

[dldjros69]

lol i wasn't fighting, i was saying it nice and calm. i know he would whoop me, but for a second or two i pull him and then th big v6 comes in and pulls my a$$ back lol.

No doubt, i agree with that. The big v6 haha. 4.0 L, what an inefficient joke of an engine.

[crayzitalian3]

No doubt, i agree with that. The big v6 haha. 4.0 L, what an inefficient joke of an engine.

lol i can't stand the mustangs (no offense) i just have never been an american muscle guy, i love foreign cars, thats how i grew up you know!!! i love my nissans though

[dldjros69]

lol i can't stand the mustangs (no offense) i just have never been an american muscle guy, i love foreign cars, thats how i grew up you know!!! i love my nissans though

Mustang = Gross if you take offense then GTFO

Cars of the 60 and 70 - American muscle were awesome. Those were real cars with real power. Not a v6 that makes 210 hp released in 2010.

Foreign cars ftmfw - Nissan - thats why im here

[LongBeachCoupe]

My old 2000 mustang was a 190hp 3.6l engine... what a hunk of junk that thing was.Automatic, and I still went thru a transmission in 60k miles!

[Chuck2417]

Which 2010 Camero are we talking about here. Doesn't the top model have something like 414hp?
Modified by Chuck2417 at 10:29 AM 4/13/2009

[dldjros69]

Which 2120 Camero are we talking about here. Doesn't the top model have something like 414hp?

Cars better be flying by 2120, and i dont think there is gonna be any oil left by then

The 2010 camaro has 3 engine choices

v6-304hpv8-L99-400hpv8-LS3-426

[Chuck2417]

Ya...that was my bad, just did a really quick post. I don't think we will even stand a chance against the LS3. We might beat the base V6... But I think that's about it haha. Also I must say the new Camero is looking very good, only if GM didn't suck so much right now..

[Hussain]

ya the V8's will kill our car for sure, only way to beat that is with turbo, supercharger, or nitrous lol the V6 camaro on the other hand, i think it will just be a tiny bit faster then the 3.5se and most people in my area cant drive for s*** so i think it would be a good race.... but hopefully by the time i come across one, ill have an intake and a bully dog tuner... that with my electronic exhaust cut-out before the cat and i think ill take it even if it is a good driver.... but the V8 is like the 03-04 Cobra mustangs, some things you just dont mess with lol you look at it, and turn before you get your a** handed to you lol

[Ferguson]

Okay, guys... my bad! The car is from the next town and turns out it is a 4.6 GT, too new to have the 5L. I'll do it for you...

So, knowing it was a 4.6, should I be happier or sadder? I don't know the Mustang specs at all.

[dldjros69]

2009 specs = 4.6L-300hp 320tq 11.5 lbs/hp

The power stayed the same since 2005.

Hmmm

drivers race or he wasnt trying or maybe your mods helped.
Modified by dldjros69 at 8:45 PM 4/13/2009

[Ferguson]

It was close, and he was definitely trying. His shifts were fast enough that I barely gained inches on each. My biggest gain on him was after about 50 MPH, and then I just started edging past him. Off the line, my nose was even with his back bumper. At 75 MPH, his nose was even with my rear.

If he has 300HP & 320TQ... then I'm curious as to how I got him. Unless the intake, exhaust, and pulley have pushed me into that bracket. I know my car is faster after the pulley install, and I wouldn't be surprised if my AC now equates to a 300HP car, but his torque and MT should have killed me!

As I've discovered, he's from the next town so I'll have to try to hunt him down and find out more. In the meantime, I'm still relishing his 'WTF' response to being beaten.

[Chuck2417]

The mustangs are pretty fast cars, however they were not engineered to be long lasting. FOUND ON ROAD DEAD... But that is a pretty impressive race. Those cars can really pull because they hit their power pretty earlier and ours does not come in until around 6000rpm. I would guess your mods really did make a difference in the race. I have only driven the CVT a few times, not sure how much faster the MT is compared to it off the line.

To any Ford lovers on this forum, not that their should be any.. . I do like the mustang, only ford vehicle I do. But I am an import man, and every man is entitled to his own opinion.

[Hussain]

2009 specs = 4.6L-300hp 320tq 11.5 lbs/hp

The power stayed the same since 2005.

Hmmm

drivers race or he wasnt trying or maybe your mods helped.

Modified by dldjros69 at 8:45 PM 4/13/2009

i dont think it was a 05+, i think it was a 99-04 because thats the gap between the 5.0 and the new ones and also the most common mustangs and the oldest with the 4.6. PLUS if it was a new one and he was a good driver then i'd be calling BS..... the 99-04 (my favorite body style) GT stick shift can do a 13.9 in the 1/4 mile 100% stock and a 14.4 in the 1/4 mile 100% stock. so a 13.9 BUT he had exhaust and i know with my car i became .2 secs quicker with my cat-back exhaust so maybe he'd do a 13.8 stock if he was a good driver.... my 3.5se CVT with catback exhaust did a 14.2 in the 1/4 mile.... should be a close one but i'm surprised the mustang didnt win since he was a good driver..... i give you for that one