2jz

[Ali 556]

Dyno Queen

Like I said, I'm not saying the 2jz isn't capable of being fast, I'm not saying it isn't reliable, and I'm not saying it isn't a good engine, but most everyday Joe's that are bragging about their 800hp Supras would get shattered by a properly tuned car that made the power across a broader range.

+1...

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[cmfireman]

Thanks for that post Ali.

[bone_stock_240]

It almost has the torque curve of an electric motor. Impressive.

[RCA]

Well I love the sound of big displacement and I am also a (huge) fan of the 6cyl tuner motor...

But 2jz is a serious drag monster, Titan Motorsport's Celica is running a 6.4 qrt mile @ 200mph+ I don't know what top fuel or funny cars are running but some thing tells me its not an LSx...

If you want to argue power band...-Then race from a roll and keep your JZ in its power range...-From a dead stop launch in your peak torqe rpm-If your racing in a circuit you would be a fool not to keep the car at 4K rpm...

@ the end of the day there is no replacement for displacement but don't dog the JZ motor because it needs time to spool...

[WDRacing]

For the record, the 2JZ is one of the top 10 best motors ever built...ever. If you want an inline 6 it's THE BEST. If you want 550 or less it's simple and can have a torque curve very similar to a V8 because you don't need a HUGE turbo to reach said limits.

But for the money...

[XofXtimeX]

http://video.google.com/videop...dex=3

Ryan woon who is an amazing driver. ^^

A great setup and show of what that engine can do and it's still a street legal car. His time would be much lower if he didn't stay 6 speed as well.

[OutToWinPAHC]

A good driver, with bad reaction timing

[RCA]

A good driver, with bad reaction timing

Come on...He was just trying to give the honda next to him a head start...

AND BTW in this video the supra beat the V-Bhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABTRXWcttLc

[OutToWinPAHC]

No hes a great driver, good at launch, fast shifts, keeps its straight, hes just needs to work on that reaction time. The one car looks like it redlighted, but his reaction was just awesome.

[OutToWinPAHC]

Yeah look liked he shaved half a second in that last video, its takes time get get a good reaction time. And you still have bad days.

[XofXtimeX]

Most of his videos I don't think in his mind he is worried about his reaction time. If you find the races where he is actually going for the win he does have a great time. Look up the race between him and Saad Saad where it was a $10,000 dollar bet. Why worry about a reaction time when you're not racing for anything? Time doesn't start till after you start moving anyways.

[OutToWinPAHC]

Well it depends. I used to bracket race and points are associated by reaction times. But if its for fun, its for fun, I was just observing the videos. Hes gotten better in newer videos, A LOT BETTER

[mig240sx]

Couldn't help but to put my 2cents in. I agree with 240sxautox, the 2jz is a power house, but unless you're planning to build a strictly drag car (9secs or less) it is wasted potential in a 240. For a street and occasional track car, the 1j is the best pick, IMO. I know this is a 2j thread, but what's wrong with the 1j in the 240 over the 2j? Cost less, you can hit 500rwhp+ easy; more than what a light 240 would ever need. I sounds tuff when you say 600 or 700, etc hp, but with just 400-500 raw hp you will have traction issues all the time, unless you plan to drive around in drag radials everyday (can get real expensive).

My boy just put down 468 in his 1j with very little mods (GT4082, 550 inj., Greddy IC & piping Kit, SAFC) on 93 octane:http://www.supramania.com/foru...46860


Modified by mig240sx at 1:36 PM 7/11/2007

[LessRice]

your not even mentioning how much money is needed in suspension goodies to hold the car to the street with that much power... but anyways everything evens out in the end for price so whats the difference if you spend 10k on your swap... preference is what it comes down too and for those of you who bash a 2jz swap go ride in one and you will never open your mouth again

[mig240sx]

Yup, it all comes down to preference. Both the 1j and 2j are great engines and can put out some serious hp with very little mods. Like I said earlier, we hit 485 but tuned it down to 468rwhp on 93oct. and just 550cc inj. That's not max power, that's 468 everyday driving and add 20+ hp on cooler nights. There are a good amount of 1j engine in Florida (in 240, sc300, supras, etc.) that are holding up and still running on higher hp. Pay less, for more power, go 1j. As for aftermarket support, there are tons of 2j parts here in the US that fit right into the 1j.

Anyways, again, like Less Rice said, "preference is what it comes down to".

[blackieblack]

i hear alot of well defended points about the 2J. no **** its a power house. that not whats being debated. if we were to put a lets say an RB and 2J with the same horse power range then the rb is over all a better performing motor. this may be about dyno queen numbers for some of you out there or just quarter mile performance. if we were talking about the best motor for the 240. and i mean OVERALL. it definately wouldnt be the 2J. guys just cause you prefer the 2J doesnt mean its the best motor. maybe on the dragstrip. but i would bet my money on a fully built 350 over a fully built 2J on the strip in a 240sx. theres been a bounce around between the 2j and the rb for awhile. if had the money to blow on a rb or 2j. i wouldnt buy either. i would buy a vq35de and boost it. lighter than booth aforementioned engines and has better weight distribution. horsepower gains can be had on stock internals. and the next gtr will be using a vq engine similar to the 35de. its better than the rb in a 240 and byfar better than a 2J.

[RCA]

i hear alot of well defended points about the 2J. no **** its a power house. that not whats being debated. if we were to put a lets say an RB and 2J with the same horse power range then the rb is over all a better performing motor. this may be about dyno queen numbers for some of you out there or just quarter mile performance. if we were talking about the best motor for the 240. and i mean OVERALL. it definately wouldnt be the 2J. guys just cause you prefer the 2J doesnt mean its the best motor. maybe on the dragstrip. but i would bet my money on a fully built 350 over a fully built 2J on the strip in a 240sx. theres been a bounce around between the 2j and the rb for awhile. if had the money to blow on a rb or 2j. i wouldnt buy either. i would buy a vq35de and boost it. lighter than booth aforementioned engines and has better weight distribution. horsepower gains can be had on stock internals. and the next gtr will be using a vq engine similar to the 35de. its better than the rb in a 240 and byfar better than a 2J.

Well saying an RB will out perform a 2JZ is wrong. People say that because the RB revs higher and gives you a more useable power band, but when racing when are you ever at 2000rpm?

An RB vs JZ with same HP#s is up to the driver.A 4WD Skyline +(More handleing computers then IBMs database) will no dout beat the pig Supra. But RB beat a 2JZ... thats a much tougher debate.

And weight wise the RB isnt much lighter, I have read the it weights more then the 2JZ. (not sure if its tru but based on displacement I will give the RB the benifit of the dout)

A VQ lighter... NO dout! Better weight distribution... Yes!Horsepower made on stock internals... what ever that means. A honda can make HP with stock internals. Run 8psi on either Civic or 350z and see what happens. In the mean time try to learn how to take apart a VQ engine. Chances are you will have a month before **** hits the fan.

In order to make serious power in a VQ, you need to do some serious work! Now I am not saying they dont make power but if me (and my 2jz) and you (with your VQ) had a buget of $8k...I would cruise by you.This shows you how to boost the VQ right the first time.

*Please note the prices*zerothread/105250

And the only thing thats similar to the VQ35 in the Z and the VQ37 thats in the GTR is the first two letters. The GTR will be running boost so chances are there not gunna use the 11:1 Z33 compression. Plus I dout they will be using similar internals. The GTR motor will probably be a fully built VQ.

And the last statement grinds my gears.

its better than the rb in a 240 and byfar better than a 2J.

Because you dont specify in what means its better. If you said its the better motor if its left stock. Then yes I agree.

If you want to say its better boosted. I will slap youIf you want to say its better overall potential. I would agree.If you want to say its better on a (normal) buget, I would slap you twice.

So what did we learn here today. BE MORE SPECIFIC and dont throw out generic opinons unless you have some thing to back them up with.

PS - Best motor to install for 400-550Hp would be the good ole' fasion LS(1/2/6/7)

[b--ryan]

my question is i hear and read all around the the swap is high dollar. what kinda price are we talking do actually do the swap.

also what kinda price difference is there in the 1jz swap and the 2jz swap

[RCA]

my question is i hear and read all around the the swap is high dollar. what kinda price are we talking do actually do the swap.

also what kinda price difference is there in the 1jz swap and the 2jz swap

The JZ swap into the S chassis will cost you any where from $5,500 (super cheap) to about $7000 just in parts. Then you either do it your self or get raped by macanics.

A 2JZ could cost between $1800-$2200 and it will come in automatic. Then buying the transmission could be expensive. I have scene prices all the way to $1100 but it should cost you about $600-$800

A 1JZ could cost $1000-$1200ish auto and about $1600-$2000 with the 5speed R154 transmissionExpensive

[mig240sx]

There is a lot to consider when doing these swaps. You need to really speak to past customers. It's a used motor, you don't want to pay all that money to get the motor in, to only have the motor be no good or good for only a year or so. The wiring is very important and the person really needs to know what they are doing and have experience with it. Remember, it's a Toyota motor in a Nissan car and electronics, cluster, etc. There are many things that could go wrong in the wrong hands and very expensive to undo it. Plus, many swaps don't include A/C and Power Steering, trust me, you will hate driving your car as a "daily driver" without A/C and Power Steering. My swap cost me $6,300 turn key, EVERYTHING working (stock twins no mods). I then started adding other stuff, single turbo, etc.

[b--ryan]

There is a lot to consider when doing these swaps. You need to really speak to past customers. It's a used motor, you don't want to pay all that money to get the motor in, to only have the motor be no good or good for only a year or so. The wiring is very important and the person really needs to know what they are doing and have experience with it. Remember, it's a Toyota motor in a Nissan car and electronics, cluster, etc. There are many things that could go wrong in the wrong hands and very expensive to undo it. Plus, many swaps don't include A/C and Power Steering, trust me, you will hate driving your car as a "daily driver" without A/C and Power Steering. My swap cost me $6,300 turn key, EVERYTHING working (stock twins no mods). I then started adding other stuff, single turbo, etc.

hey man do u have a aim/aol name

[mig240sx]

No. You can email me at: [email protected] with your phone number and I'll call you if you like.