180sx for sail on ebay

[DJ_SpaRky]

What about importing a S13 for race/off-road use, then waiting until 2021 or whatever, after it is 25 year old, to make it street legal, is this possible? Or would it have to be exported the reimported? And the Canada thing, please someone post some links about importing into Canada, I read some where the it is 15 years in Canada.

Thx

[rookiegtr]

Does this make sense to anyone else?

If you have imported, bought or been given a noncompliant vehicle, it must either be converted by a registered importer or exported.

the point of OR is.. you dont have to import a car to obtain a nonconforming car. that phrase states taht if you bougth a noncompliant vehicle in the states, as in oops person A cant afford to conform the vehicle so he sells it ot you... then that car has to be converted. as in A cant afford it.. so he gives it to YOU to take it to an RI to conform it.

It is illegal to sell a non-compliant vehcile in the U.S. If you have imported, bought or been given a noncompliant vehicle, it must either be converted by a registered importer or exported. If you purchase a vehicle imported into the U.S. by someone else, and that vehicle turns out to be noncompliant, Customs can seize the car. Buyers should always make sure that a car is legally registered in the U.S. before they purchase it to avoid this situation.

That s for people like NIGHT who SNEAKS IT OUT OF THE CUSTOMS and tries to sell it... not for someone tha tgoes OOPS i cant do it so ill sell it to someone else that can. if the cars already at customs.. how can the customs "SEIZE THE CAR"

[rookiegtr]

ok from what i gather, converting a vehicle to conform with DOt it would need the following, headlights, speedometer, mirrors,3rd tail light, side bars in doors, seatbelt chimes.

most these parts can easily be taken from the US version and swaped over at the RI's Shop, which if you find a RI that will work with you you maybe able to cut costs there, stuff that would have to be new would be EPA stuff like US cats O2 sensor, carbon canister, EPA testing is what i would worry about. other then that cost to make vehicle conform looks to avg around 6-7g , you might beable to cut those costs down a little.

but you have to have a RI import it for you in the first place.

swift would it be possible to export it to canada then buy it back, import it through a RI and then get it conformed and legalized?alot of hassle and money but maybe worth it to get to drive it on the roads maybe even sell it off legalized to get back to even.

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conformin ur vehicle requires more than that for CERTAIN cars. i dont kon about s13s.. i never did research on s13s.. but for skylines.. you have to modify ur car and provide crash papers to show that ur RHD is not hazardous to your health when you get into an accident. crash papers cost money since motorex had to crash at LEAST 3 gtrs. more if they failed any aspect.

also why would you epxort a car to canada to buy it back and import it thru RI. its the same thing as just importin a car from japan. you still hav to get an RI to confroma nd legalize it.

[SpeedRacer1]

speed theres no section in that link that specifically said :Only an RI may import vehicles for resale. If you would like to bring vehicles into the U.S. for resale, you must become an RIunless you accidentally posted the wrong link

Yeah I linked the wrong page, and the forum closed as I was posting it and editing the other post.http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/....html

Second paragraph, read it, your argument is over. You are wrong.

[SpeedRacer1]

What about importing a S13 for race/off-road use, then waiting until 2021 or whatever, after it is 25 year old, to make it street legal, is this possible? Or would it have to be exported the reimported? And the Canada thing, please someone post some links about importing into Canada, I read some where the it is 15 years in Canada.

Thx

Canada has a 15 year rule where next year you can begin to import 1989 CA18DET powered S13's. However I still think the US will restrict importation to Canada because the labling difference is not the only difference between a 180SX or S13 Silvia and a 240SX.http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/....html

[spec-v5150]

and if you have no idea what hte argument is based on.. please excuse urself from hopping in. the point is.. a person can sell his car to another person taht the otehr person can take it to an RI and confrom that vehicle himself. GIVEN that night illegally takes cars out of customs IS illegal.. and selling that car outside of customs IS illegal.. but if the cars IN CUSTOMS.. it is NOT ILLEGAL TO SELL THE CAR FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO CONFORM.

By what logic??? Oops I have no money, so I will sell my NONCONFORMING vehicle to someone else??? When the page I linked you said it is illegal to sell a nonconforming vehicle. What grade are you in and what is your reading level??? I dont honestly see how yo can argue that point.

[SpeedRacer1]

and ok.. i understand that the s13 chassis cant be modified.. BUT THIS WHOLE ARGUMENT IS ON CARS IN GENERAL. not just the s13. SUCH AS THE GTRs.

The argument to me was never about GTR's, take another look at this list http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/....html They are eligable for resale by RI's in the United States. They require modifications, that MotoRex has applied for and recieved (practically) the sole right to for business purposes.

However only the 1988 S13 is on this list. That means that you may bring in one of the very first 1989 S13's to roll out of the factory, but you still cant get it changed to US legal specs. (The last sentance was an assumption, there must be an RI that could convert the car, or else it probably wouldnt be on the list)

[DJ_SpaRky]

Canada has a 15 year rule where next year you can begin to import 1989 CA18DET powered S13's. However I still think the US will restrict importation to Canada because the labling difference is not the only difference between a 180SX or S13 Silvia and a 240SX.http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/....html

Hey, Thx, but that only answer half of my question. what about the first part about import one for race use then after it is 25 yrs old trying to make it street legal (IE: no mods)?

[SpeedRacer1]

Its pretty hard in my mind to bring in an S series chassis for racing in the first place. I seriously doubt you could claim a racecar as a street car after it is 25 years old simple because it was first and formost declared a race car. But I myself know little about the 25 year old rule nor race cars.

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/....html

[SWIFT_DRIFT]

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/....htmlQuote from the following link, "Only an RI may import vehicles for resale. If you would like to bring vehicles into the U.S. for resale, you must become an RI."

There is your proof rookie. You are wrong. Stop changing your argument over and over. Stop selectively reading.

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/....htmlQuote from the following link, "Vehicles manufactured to meet the FMVSS [Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards] will have a certification label affixed by the original manufacturer in the area of the driver-side door. A vehicle without this certification label must be imported as a nonconforming vehicle. In this case, the importer must contract with a DOT-Registered Importer (RI) and post a DOT bond for one and a half times the vehicle’s dutiable value. This bond is in addition to the normal Customs entry bond. Copies of the DOT bond and the contract with an RI must be attached to the HS-7 form.

Again proof you are wrong. Night is importing nonconforming cars. He is not an RI = illegal.

If you would read an HS-7 form, every option that is allowing personal importation, it specifically says you are not allowed to sell the car.

rookie. Every argument you have presented is retarded, pointless, and flat out false. Stop it.

[SWIFT_DRIFT]

ok from what i gather, converting a vehicle to conform with DOt it would need the following, headlights, speedometer, mirrors,3rd tail light, side bars in doors, seatbelt chimes.

most these parts can easily be taken from the US version and swaped over at the RI's Shop, which if you find a RI that will work with you you maybe able to cut costs there, stuff that would have to be new would be EPA stuff like US cats O2 sensor, carbon canister, EPA testing is what i would worry about. other then that cost to make vehicle conform looks to avg around 6-7g , you might beable to cut those costs down a little.

but you have to have a RI import it for you in the first place.

swift would it be possible to export it to canada then buy it back, import it through a RI and then get it conformed and legalized?alot of hassle and money but maybe worth it to get to drive it on the roads maybe even sell it off legalized to get back to even.

Every vehicle is different on what is needed to be changed to conform. In general you are probably most likely correct. However since ALL JDM S chassis cars, no matter how similar, are no longer assumed to conform by the DOT. This means they are now nonconforming cars and the only way to legalize them is to do what Motorex did to become and RI, which = $big bucks. So at this point in time there is no RI that is able to modify the S chassis to conform.

The law also states only an RI/ICI may make the required modifications. You are not allowed to touch the car in any way shape or form. I would read Motorex's faq, it pretty well explains the whole process they go through and how long it actually takes before you get a car (assuming you purchase one from them).

In your last paragraph are you talking about my car? No I couldn't export it to Canada because of their 15 year rule. And since there is no RI in the US regardless that can modify my car, I am better off just keeping it off-road/race legal at this point in time.

[SWIFT_DRIFT]

All of you are missing the big picture. rookie the min a car hits US territorial waters...it is IN THE US. United states ports are not deemed international territory, where anything goes. You import a nonconforming car, can't afford the legal fees, you are now stuck. Your name is on the customs/import documents. You can't just sell the car to someone else (well you always can), but YOU are still held responsible. Seeing as you are not an RI, Customs will not release the car to you and give you 2 choices. Pay out of your pocket shipping back to Japan, or pay out of your pocket to crush the car. Either way you lost a lot of money and the person you just sold the car to who's name was not on the paperwork is pissed at you and out money as well.

[SWIFT_DRIFT]

4th and final post in a row. There are TWO coinciding parts of legalizing an imported vehicle. DOT Standards and EPA Standards. The S chassis can not be modified, therefore it fails the DOT standards. The SR20DET is not legal in the US and not on the EPA's list of legal engines in the US, therefore you fail EPA standards as well. And like I've originally stated none of the JDM Silvia's/180's (no matter HOW similar) will ever be legal until someone or some company has taken the steps and done what Motorex did as in crash testing the cars, and EPA testing the SR.

[DJ_SpaRky]

Its pretty hard in my mind to bring in an S series chassis for racing in the first place. I seriously doubt you could claim a racecar as a street car after it is 25 years old simple because it was first and formost declared a race car. But I myself know little about the 25 year old rule nor race cars.

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/....html

I've read this already, & it says at the bottom this statement:

From NHTSA Site"A racing vehicle may not be registered or licensed for on-road use. A racing vehicle cannot subsequently be converted for use on the public roads unless NHTSA determines that it is capable of conformity, and it is brought into conformity with all applicable federal motor vehicle safety standards by a Registered Importer in accordance with the requirements of 49 U.S.C. 30141 and 49 CFR part 592."

I think the key here is "unless NHTSA determines that it is capable of conformity", after 25 years old there would be no need for conformity, right?

(I'm not trying to start another flaming war, I just need some good info & advice)

Thanks

[SWIFT_DRIFT]

and swift.. given you ve been here longer than i have, i respect that.. but get ur head out of ur ***. you are not the import king here. just cuz you had to do research since you got into a snag does nto make you more knowledgeable than the ones that have been researching for bout a decade.

also.. resortin to namecallin is pretty pathetic.. especially when you made some blunders urself. i asked you whether ur car was registered as a racecar.. instead you inferred im a dumbass and said i should know if i knew anything bout importing. dude.. thats why i asked you whether it was registered as a racecar. READ. thats ur problem. you dont READ.. you just skim the ****in threads.

Hey little child. I never said I was the import king around here. So you have been doing research for a decade on importing cars? That's funny because when we asked you to prove your stuff you post an errored link and they say "my bad, first link i searched for on google." WTF. Mr. DECADE RESEARCH man, who posts a link he searched for in 30 sec without even checking if it's good. Yeah, 10 years worth of research there :rolleyes.

If you would like to reread the entire thread you will notice you started with the swearing first on page 2. Also in rereading the entire thread you will notice where the ENTIRE problems lies. Me, you, Speed were all trying to reply so fast the entire damn thread turned into crap. You couldn't wait to get a coherent answer but instead threw out more and more incoherent arguments. Me and Speed at least spent the time to click your links (which turned out to be pointless), did you even spend the time to read MY links, or MY Skyline forum sticky? If you actually had you probably and smartly would have shut up before you made an even bigger *** out of yourself.

You asked about my car on page 2. I replied to you about it twice and even quoted myself on page 3. And here you are on page 5 still asking about my car? Who is the one not reading now? I inferred you to know at least something about registering which you apparently and obviously don't. If you knew about registering kit cars you would know WHY I can't do that. But you don't. If you knew about all the EPA Forms then you would probably known what I have done to legally claim my car here indefinitely as off-road/race legal only. But you don't. Like I've stated before my car is not in question here and turning the argument around on me is more childish (copout from the real argument) then your name calling.

Here is the fact. Night is not an RI, he can not legally import a car for resale. If you have no understood this by now with links I have provided then all hope is lost for you. It doesn't matter what Night is claiming in his ebay auction. It doesn't matter because the fact is he can not legally import the car in the first place. So therefore whoever buys that 180 from him is buying an illegally imported car. PERIOD.

[SWIFT_DRIFT]

I've read this already, & it says at the bottom this statement:

From NHTSA Site"A racing vehicle may not be registered or licensed for on-road use. A racing vehicle cannot subsequently be converted for use on the public roads unless NHTSA determines that it is capable of conformity, and it is brought into conformity with all applicable federal motor vehicle safety standards by a Registered Importer in accordance with the requirements of 49 U.S.C. 30141 and 49 CFR part 592."

I think the key here is "unless NHTSA determines that it is capable of conformity", after 25 years old there would be no need for conformity, right?

(I'm not trying to start another flaming war, I just need some good info & advice)

Thanks

Not sure the exact steps of this. The car would already have been claimed as race only, that's what the DOT would see. So you would have to go to the DOT and talk with them about the steps to reregister it when the car was old enough for the 25 year rule.

[DJ_SpaRky]

Word, thanks Swift & Speed.

[rookiegtr]

u r still missin the point. MY POINT ABOUT REFERRIN TO UR CAR IS TO DISPUTE THE FACT THAT YOU CLAIM I DONT KNOW MY IMPORTING LAW. CUZ ON PAGE 3 YOU SAID I SHOULD KNO HOW YOUR CAR WAS REGISTERED. AND THE WHOLE PT OF ME BRINGING THIS UP IS TO SHOW YOU THAT I MENTIONED WHTEHR YOU DID IT AS A RACECAR. WHY DIDNT YOU RESPOND THEN? IF IT WAS THRU RACECAR.. why did you say OH YOU SHOULD KNO IF YOU KNO UR IMPORT> I DO KNO THATS WHY I ASKED YOU WHETHER YOU DID IT AS A RACECAR/showCAR its not cuz i m still curious you dumb ****.. but to prove ur argument wrong that i didnt kno my stuff.

second.. that link is still the link to the customs. ITS NOT JUST THE TREASURY. click on the link IMPORT on top.. go to REGULATIONS.

third.. customs will give you another choice. THEY GAVE MY FRIEND THE THIRD CHOICE OF SELLING IT TO ANOTHER GUY THAT CAN REIGSTER IT. THATS THE WHOLE PT OF MY ARGUMENT. THAT YOU CAN GO OOPS and RESELL IT.

I KNO I KNO IKNO.. I KNO I KNO that the S13 chassis CANT BE MODIFIED BY AN RI. how many times do i ahve to say i know that. .BUT SWIFT WAS DISPUTIN THE FACT THAT YOU CANT GO OOPS AND RESELL..

also.. i asked you specifcally the link taht had those quotes.. THOSE LINKS DOESNT HAVE THOSE QUOTES. IM TRYIN TO PROVE IN THOSE CONTEXT that its meant for MOTOREX that had the INTENTIONS TO SELL IT THE MOMENT THE CAR WAS IN US. NOT FOR PEOPLE THAT ACCIDENTALLY BOUGHT IT.

and THIRD.. I KNO NIGHT IS NOT A LEGAL IMPORTER. READ YOU DUMB **** HOW MANY TIMES I HAD TO SAY THAT and THAT I AGREED WITH YOU.

[rookiegtr]

tell me this.. when my friend got the R32.. and realized he couldnt afford to register the car.. WHY DID CUSTOMS GIVE HIM THE OPTION TO SELL IT TO SOMEONE THAT CAN???IF ITS ILLEGAL THAT SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN AN OPTION.

[rookiegtr]

By what logic??? Oops I have no money, so I will sell my NONCONFORMING vehicle to someone else??? When the page I linked you said it is illegal to sell a nonconforming vehicle. What grade are you in and what is your reading level??? I dont honestly see how yo can argue that point.

thats why im tryin to get you to paste the ENTIRE CONTEXT. your link doesn t have what you said before cuz you prolly paraphrased it. THE CONTEXT OF THAT LINK IS FOR PEOPLE TO OPEN UP A BUSINESS AND ILLEGALLY SELL CARS.

my arguments not just for NIGHT.. but for car enthusiasts that brought a car over.. for lack of funding, cnat modify it dot and epa approved, so they sell it to someone else that can. THATS IT. THATS THE ONLY THING. .I DONT GIVE A **** BOUT THE S13 CHASSIS CUZ YOU ARE RIGHT. I DONT GIVE A **** ABOUT RACECAR TITLES.. cuz i DID MENTION WHETHER YOU DID THAT SWIFT.. and yet you still say if i knew my import laws.. iw ould kno the answer. ALL IM SAYIN IS PERSON A CAN SELL HIS CAR TO PERSON B TO MAKE IT CONFORMIN THRU AN RI. .CUZ HIS CAR IS STILL IN CUSTOMS.

[rookiegtr]

Me and Speed at least spent the time to click your links (which turned out to be pointless),

IT S STILL TAKES YOU TO UNITED STATES CUSTOMS WEBPAGE.

[rookiegtr]

You asked about my car on page 2. I replied to you about it twice and even quoted myself on page 3. And here you are on page 5 still asking about my car? Who is the one not reading now?

holy ****.. if youread the posts after u told me.. you would see that iM NOT ASKIN YOU AGAIN how you did it.. but the fact that you still claim that I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN. I DID KNO.. THATS WHY THE FIRST TIME I ASKED YOU WAS WHETHER YOU DID IT AS A RACECAR.. A SIMPLE YES OR NO WOULD SUFFICE>. but instaed you post about 7 times you should have known.. blah blha blah.. you should have known...

and little child?? who uses tactics like.. did you type "ROOKIE IS A RETARD" in google? or "oh hes just tryin to save face" thats 3rd grader stuff.

[rookiegtr]

and my last post about this useless pointless argument..

I DO AGREE THIS THREAD HAS TURNED TO **** WITH ALL OF US JUST THROWIN OUR IDEAS ALL AT ONCE.

but the fact that NIGHT still has the car in JAPAN. thats not in the US. hence.. how is he ILLEGALLY IMPORTIN WHEN HTE CAR IS IN JAPAN??? its like you buying a car off of an auction at JAPAN.. and shippin yourself and registerin urself. BUT IN THIS CASE.. NIGHT IS THE AUCTIONER.. and yOU JUST BOUGHT A CAR. HE NEVER CLAIMED TO GIVE YOU THE PROPER PAPERWORKS.

[rookiegtr]

Yeah I linked the wrong page, and the forum closed as I was posting it and editing the other post.http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/....html

Second paragraph, read it, your argument is over. You are wrong.

If you would like to bring vehicles into the U.S. for resale, you must become an RI.

THE POINT IS.. PERSON A that said oops cant afford it.. did NOT LIKE TO BRING THE VEHICLES FOR RESALE. PERSON A BROUGHT THE CAR IN FOR HIMSELF.. not to do business by resaling the car. thats why that context is for people that wants to do business importin cars.. NOT FOR ENTHUSiASTS THAT CANT AFFORD TO LEGALIZE THE CAR so SELLS THE CAR TO SOMEBODY ELSE..

and BAM.. im STILL afloat.

[rookiegtr]

Look.. IM DONE WITH THIS THREAD>. if you want to continue to argue with me my aim is LAXDOG56.

my point is for person A that cant afford to register the vehicle can LEGALLY sell it to someone else that can. and note the word VEHICLE. that means VEHICLE IN GENERAL.. i kno some 6 year old is gonna post.. well.. its a s13.. thers no RI that can legalize s13. I KNO BUT THAT WASNT THE PT IN DISPUTE.

AND SWIFT.. if you still think he cant.. why did you throw in the phrase WELL YOU ALWAYS CAN in "You can't just sell the car to someone else (well you always can).. "

[ace135cc]

im glad you're done, that was 8 posts in a row...you could have imported that 180 and gotten it registered already if you didn't waste your time here. :rolleyes :pface

[SWIFT_DRIFT]

Me and rookie are talking on AIM, we are solving this as we speak

[SpeedRacer1]

Me and rookie are talking on AIM, we are solving this as we speak

Good because he has changed his argument so many times that ive stopped reading anything he writes. The grammar and caps are just too much.

[DJ_SpaRky]

Good, then somebody close this thread.

[slw240sx]

, ok another way to get the S chassis to conform to DOT is for nissan of Japan to write DOT a letter telling them taht the S chassis are similar enough to each other in saftey.. and some other stuff that unless you know people in the company will probably never get.