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dblanehopr

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10-18-2008
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| « Re: (WDRacing) | 12:43 AM 1/5/2009 |
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| Quote, originally posted by WDRacing » | | R33 corssmembers are different the S13/S14 crossmembers, so his pan won't fit yours. The NovaII pan will work though. ....................................................................................................................... Are you going with a single turbo setup? I thinks a set of twins would LOOK awsome, albeit complicate everything. WD |
that's what i heard bro.. was hoping for more of an intial setup that i could not fully run off of, but know that that setup fits and i only have to worry about fine tuning it. so... a 240 crossmember.. and a 350 w/ a Nova II will fit after makin some mounts... yeah? Matified, be nice for you to go Forced Induction so you can mess with the Air/Fuel lil more.
"i wish i could be doing something right now." "you are doing something, you're sitting and waiting." ~ De Niro in Ronin... mmm, turbocharged v-8 Audi running from the cops in europe.anyone else catch the youtube flicks of Team Polizia in the Gumball races driving down the train tracks in europe and laughing their azzes off?
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matafied

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1989 240 rb25det 1992 240 rb25det
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| « Re: (dblanehopr) | 5:09 AM 1/6/2009 |
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| Quote, originally posted by dblanehopr » | so... a 240 crossmember.. and a 350 w/ a Nova II will fit after makin some mounts... yeah? . |
i have a question about that, Has anyone seen this done? i have heard the chevy II stuff but never seen it used on a car, everyone still ended up makeing a custom oil pan. also one other thing to keep in mind is the stroke, 350 work's fine with chevy II stuff ( i.e. sump, and pan ) but when you stroke the motor (383) crank hit's the sump. so just another reason for me making my own
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dblanehopr

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10-18-2008
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| « Re: (matafied) | 7:17 AM 1/6/2009 |
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might be easier to make one anyways cuz you gotta find the NovaII pan first before you can do it. might be able to.. dunno.all the measurements you made for that pan was just made for the R33 crossmember then.. meh.. i'll just have to do it meself. ;] mize well. tryin to remember... the slope of the engine should be 15 degrees right? i'll have to look that up again.
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matafied

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| « Re: (dblanehopr) | 5:05 AM 1/7/2009 |
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this is another reason i went this route, factory s13 transmission crossmember with a 92 camaro tranny rubber mount. Drilled one hole 

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11-25-2002
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| « Re: (matafied) | 10:07 AM 1/7/2009 |
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Sweeet tits dude!!!Not fabbing stuff vs drilling a hole FTMFW Also, I didn't know you needed a new pan when you stroke the 350. That complicates the turbo 383 S14 I'd love to someday. Perhaps a simple high compression 383 will be easier... WD
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matafied

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| « Re: (WDRacing) | 1:11 PM 1/7/2009 |
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| Quote, originally posted by WDRacing » | Also, I didn't know you needed a new pan when you stroke the 350. That complicates the turbo 383 S14 I'd love to someday. Perhaps a simple high compression 383 will be easier...WD |
in a normal application the stock 350 stuff works fine, but in a 240sx with front sump you run into problems. The stroke is bigger on a 383, meaning the crankshaft is bigger. with the chevy II sump assembly the rod cap bolts hit the oil pickup tube.
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dblanehopr

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Grand Prarie TX
10-18-2008
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| « Re: (matafied) | 8:02 AM 1/9/2009 |
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but with the right pan you don't have to cut out the firewall using a 240's crossmember?
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matafied

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| « Re: (dblanehopr) | 5:01 AM 1/27/2009 |
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alittle update, have had little time the last couple weeks to do much
 i have a lot of cleaning to do hahah
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matafied

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| « Re: (matafied) | 2:01 PM 2/4/2009 |
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well a little late to start on this engine bay, but better now than never. I dont have any clue why i didnt do this before i put the engine in 

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motoman399

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10-10-2006
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| « Re: (matafied) | 12:18 AM 2/7/2009 |
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im really glad i came across this build. its pretty awesome even for a chev motor lol keep it up

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matafied

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| « Re: (motoman399) | 5:00 PM 2/7/2009 |
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thanks, finishing up the engine bay. looking good

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matafied

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| « Re: (matafied) | 3:57 PM 2/10/2009 |
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man i cant wait to drive this thing, i still have butt loads of work.
 but i am making progress

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Neejay

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| « Re: (matafied) | 4:04 AM 3/16/2009 |
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Subscribed. Anymore updates???
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matafied

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| « Re: (Neejay) | 3:40 AM 3/17/2009 |
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well haha i have turned direction with the setup, i wanted a more universial setup for when i really build the motor. i changed the heads and intake combo. 64cc aluminum heads with edelbrock efi intake, fuel rails and high Flow elbow. Which works with ls1 throttle bodys. added a little eye candy some P45r's 18 x 9.5 +20 all around, dumped the tein ss as low as they will go, and rolled the rear fenders.

 let me know what you think
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| « Re: (matafied) | 3:48 AM 3/17/2009 |
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450SX!

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5-25-2007
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| « Re: (matafied) | 11:33 PM 3/17/2009 |
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nice build. like the oil pan. what kind of heads? obviously aluminum guess the 64cc heads me no longer going turbo? did you upgrade any of the bottom end of the motor? what kind of power you looking at, that intake should move lots of air.
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matafied

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| « Re: (450SX!) | 6:06 AM 3/18/2009 |
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| Quote, originally posted by 450SX! » | nice build. like the oil pan. what kind of heads?
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thanks, the heads are cheaper pro comps with manley ss valves and comp cam springs, MLS head gaskets and ARP Head bolts
| Quote, originally posted by 450SX! » | guess the 64cc heads me no longer going turbo?
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haha yea well, i still want boost even if its only 7 pounds, water injection if needed | Quote, originally posted by 450SX! » | did you upgrade any of the bottom end of the motor? what kind of power you looking at, that intake should move lots of air.
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yea bottom end is pretty stock it has been rebuilt and bored ( 355), not sure what this thing will put down or how long it will last. i just wanted to get everything made and get my setup in stone for my 383 short block im working on i just knew the tpi wouldnt flow enough for my 383
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450SX!

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5-25-2007
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| « Re: (matafied) | 8:57 AM 3/18/2009 |
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after reading this last night I looked in summit racing's catalog and saw some keith black hyperpeutic pistons that are -13cc with a 9.0 comp on 64cc heads. I would use the forgedaluminum over the hyperpeutic from what I have heard but , guess you can get a pretty low comp ratio with 64cc heads. on my motor the engine builders also used a thicker gasket , I think it was a cometic head gasket. to help lower the comp ratio as well.
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wrxratd
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12-28-2008
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| « Re: (450SX!) | 10:35 AM 3/18/2009 |
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Who cares about c/r!!! Just use some water/meth injection and e85. I'l bet at 9.0:1 with water/meth and e85 you'd still safely be able to run 18 psi... at least!!!
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matafied

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| « Re: (wrxratd) | 11:50 AM 3/18/2009 |
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| Quote, originally posted by wrxratd » | | Who cares about c/r!!! Just use some water/meth injection and e85. I'l bet at 9.0:1 with water/meth and e85 you'd still safely be able to run 18 psi... at least!!! |
oh yea! we will see
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450SX!

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5-25-2007
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| « Re: (wrxratd) | 5:37 PM 3/20/2009 |
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Where I live the closest e85 supplier is 120 miles away. southern cali only has en e85 station in sandiego last time I checked that is why I won't be running my car on it anyways.
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450SX!

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5-25-2007
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| « Re: (matafied) | 5:41 PM 3/20/2009 |
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did not notice if you mentioned a cam change for the turbo set up.
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Kalypso
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7-24-2007
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| « Re: (450SX!) | 5:07 AM 3/23/2009 |
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Love the dump and fender roll... you my friend are hip to the game.im anxious for updates. I hope you do them often and frequently.
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matafied

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| « Re: (Kalypso123) | 7:02 AM 3/23/2009 |
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thanks for all the props guys, helps keep the momentum going.got my alt bracket, roller rokers and my valve covers in. Need a fuel regulator and ls1 throttle body and we will hear this thing fire up!! Also i have to drill the valve covers for breathers 

Modified by matafied at 7:34 AM 3/23/2009
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| « Re: (matafied) | 7:33 AM 3/23/2009 |
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Are you going to use a header mounted evac system? Moroso is to cheap not to do IMO. I'm going to use it on...well every project I have planned really. Starting with the KAT.Water is free!!! Running a single nozzle will allow for another 4-5 psi easy. 10 psi with the standard BPU 350 is going to give you serious traction issues.
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| « Re: (WDRacing) | 7:37 AM 3/23/2009 |
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| Quote, originally posted by WDRacing » | Are you going to use a header mounted evac system? Moroso is to cheap not to do IMO. I'm going to use it on...well every project I have planned really. Starting with the KAT.
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not sure yet, but i will look into it | Quote, originally posted by WDRacing » | Water is free!!! Running a single nozzle will allow for another 4-5 psi easy. 10 psi with the standard BPU 350 is going to give you serious traction issues.
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hahah i know, i cant wait LOL
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| « Re: (matafied) | 8:06 AM 3/23/2009 |
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| Quote, originally posted by matafied » | not sure yet, but i will look into it |
Summit sells the kits for $67 dude. You'll need some type of crankcase evac, and the header mounted kits do a pretty decent job. That and they promote really good ring seal during WOT situations.
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| « Re: (WDRacing) | 8:25 AM 3/23/2009 |
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| Quote, originally posted by WDRacing » | Summit sells the kits for $67 dude. You'll need some type of crankcase evac, and the header mounted kits do a pretty decent job. That and they promote really good ring seal during WOT situations. |
nice, just not sure how they would work on my setup. from what i read they dont work good with back presure. thought about just a regular catch can setup??
Modified by matafied at 10:36 AM 3/23/2009
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| « Re: (matafied) | 10:23 AM 3/23/2009 |
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If you have enough backpressure in the exhaust to prohibit the venture effect from happening with the scavenge fittings then you have serious issues. When you say catch can, do you mean a catch mounted between the intake vacuum source and PCV/check valve?
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| « Re: (WDRacing) | 11:11 AM 3/23/2009 |
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| Quote, originally posted by WDRacing » | When you say catch can, do you mean a catch mounted between the intake vacuum source and PCV/check valve? |
yea kinda what i had in mind
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| « Re: (matafied) | 1:07 PM 3/23/2009 |
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That works only at idle and off boost. When you finally go FI you'll need something that pulls crankcase fumes when the intake mani isn't under vacuum. Especially when the motor is at it's highest load and creating the most blow-by.And use a double check/pcv valve. That way under boost you're not pressurizing the crankcase. Or a single one meant for high boost. I've been researching and reading up on crankcase stuff over the last 2-3 months. Free power and clean oil is always a bonus. So is not recirculating oil into the intake, which in your case will lesson an already octane hindered motor.
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| « Re: (WDRacing) | 4:27 AM 3/24/2009 |
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what about if the vacuum is pulled from the breather side of the turbo? The crankcase would be exposed to vacuum all the time and expecially under WOT, kinda like this. would this work??

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| « Re: (matafied) | 6:18 AM 3/24/2009 |
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Well, that only "kinda" works when your actually on boost. Because the only time it's actually pulling air when the old turbo is spooled up. When she's not spooled there isn't any vacuum there. If there was vacuum then you'd have a serious restriction in the air filter...lol. Unfortunately, the amount of blow-by usually caused when at full load on boost is more then what will be able to be pulled out via pre-turbo suction.Granted, it does work better then nothing. But f you use this method, I'd also tap a vacuum source from the manifold so you have evac during off boost driving. Another thing you can do is use a GM vacuum pump. They came on tons of vehicles, from cars to trucks. They can be had for like $20 from the JY. Easy to wire up and you're not pulling fumes into the intake tract at all. This combined with a header mounted setup would be the best bet IMO. OR, have the pump triggered via Hobbs switch for on boost and use manifold vacuum for off boost. Basically any combination of the above idea's...lol. When I finally finish a project I'll do a couple different write-ups on the different things and what works best. But you'll be done way before I will. So you're the guinea pig
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Kalypso
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| « Re: (WDRacing) | 7:22 AM 3/24/2009 |
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what is a header mounted evac system......... why is breathing the oil to this motor so involved....im an sr person its all I know.
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| « Re: (Kalypso123) | 7:50 AM 3/24/2009 |
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The SR has a factory crankcase evacuation system already. It consists of a oil/air seperator, PCV valve and some vacuum lines running from the VC to the intake manifold and intake piping.His motor has none of the above. So we're discussing the best methods for making your own system. None of these steps are hard or expensive to do. Infact some of the idea's we're talking about will perform far better then the stock setup on the SR. WD
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| « Re: (WDRacing) | 8:18 AM 3/24/2009 |
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Very Nice, and some great info. i guess i will just start by adding two -10 AN male fittings to my valve cover so i can go ahead and mount my valve covers
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| « Re: (matafied) | 8:30 AM 3/27/2009 |
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well i am at another cross road and need some input. I have on hand a brand new GT3582R from ATP Turbo.82 ar left over from the rb25 project. now i know this turbo is good to 600 hp, but im not sure if it is a big as i want. i do not have any crazy hp goals, just a good all around car with boost. i have been looking at the holset HX52 but i have this 35r already and dont want to wast my money. i really only have a goal of 500hp and know i could get it with the 35r, i just know deep down i need bigger 
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| « Re: (matafied) | 8:44 AM 3/27/2009 |
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Nah...I'd use that turbo. No need for bigger. If you run into exhaust flow issues just use a bigger wastegate, or add a second one.WD
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| « Re: (WDRacing) | 10:58 AM 3/27/2009 |
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| Quote, originally posted by WDRacing » | | If you run into exhaust flow issues just use a bigger wastegate, or add a second one. WD |
yea thats what this is for 50mm

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| « Re: (matafied) | 7:20 AM 3/29/2009 |
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And remember, you can always get custom t4 housings for that turbo too. I'd just use the 35r, that thing will spool like crazy on that engine. You might actually make boost at idle!!! :D J/K.
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