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audtatious
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| « Re: (C-Kwik) | 3:20 AM 3/22/2007 |
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This reminds me of a company that makes a SC mounting adapter for the VQ30. They don't sell the SC kit anymore but any time they hear of anyone building a mounting adapter they have a hissy and threaten legal action.




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I'm loving the replies over at LS1..."oh I don't see what the problem is" "hes just covering his *** and then somebody with 240sx pops in and gos down our line of thinking  I should patent increasing the total displacement of an engine with the goal of creating more power
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Lol @ thread. I'M GONNA PATENT THE PROCESS EATING, you're effed world, all your money are belong to me. 
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| « Re: (The Count) | 4:59 AM 3/22/2007 |
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Sent a new reply-Hi again Rick, So, should I have built said system and decided I wanted to mount the assorted pieces (oil pump, lines, turbo, intake, etc) in places that are unconventional or not directly associated with STS method, (not to mention that I don't plan on selling my method for my own personal gain), how is it that I am infringing a patent? Who says I didn't decide to keep my muffler and put the turbo directly after my catalytic converter? What if my intercooler happens to be on the top of my engine or under the chassis itself. There isn't any consistency with that fabled setup versus STS. Its similar to copy writing a recipe. I can change the amount of heat used, or add an ingredient, after which, it is my own. FYI, on your patent it reads "to a pressure side of an oiling system and an oil outlet." Last I checked, there was only THE pressure side. You might want to get that changed for legality's sake. Also, you may be in infringement of other patent or copy rights where individual owners (or manufactures for that matter), decide to use an oil pump for lubricate their turbo. If you are getting that scrupulous, go inform the Focus guys, they love using pumps to ensure their investment doesn't over heat. Finally, it is lovely that you guys managed to pick out the smaller person, who may or may not have designed a system for themselves, and in a few words or less give an inkling to legal action. Regardless of your more friendly invitation to help with engineering. Furthermore, it is aggravating to think that I could possibly pose even the slightest nuisance (or competition) to your corporation. I have no monetary gain planned, no intention to sell or distribute, and enough sense to know the afore mentioned points. Thanks for your time, and do consider changing that wording on the patent. Ray I'll be in VA this weekend, probably with little access to a computer. There will be little new news unless you guys link this around; So feel free do do with all of this you guys like- I'm NOT going to patent it.
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| « Re: (frapjap) | 10:52 AM 3/22/2007 |
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^ you hit the nail on the head right there... As long as you are not selling or distributing it you aren't violating their patent. Telling people how doesn't because patents are publicly available, and hell, if I machine togethe a bodykit in my own workshop that is identical in every way to a patented bodykit, I can still legally install it on my car. The only potential for a violation would be fraud if for some reason I kept telling people it was that brand, but thats a long shot on its own.
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looks like that thread is gone on LS1tech now.
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I'm tempted to get with rotorimp (a.k.a. The Master Fabricator) and put something together for 240sx owners...BTW, that thread was deleted on LS1 - STS is a sponsor there... 
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cant hide the truth for long... wonder if they will implode like hennessy did on that viper forum.
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frapjap
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I haven't heard anything new. I guess they don't want to waste their time barking up a tree that I never climbed. I'll do my best to post again if I receive anything over the weekend.
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| « Re: (frapjap) | 12:14 PM 3/22/2007 |
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what is it about sticking it to the man that is so god damn fun?
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| « Re: (C-Kwik) | 1:39 PM 3/22/2007 |
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Tell them to BLOW it up their @ss.LOL *cough*
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| « Re: (surfwax95) | 2:17 PM 3/22/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by surfwax95 » | | Tell them to BLOW it up their @ss. LOL *cough* |
Don't do it in a remote way....My vert might be in trouble in a couple months then  Think I'll mail some pictures to them...
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out of curiosity had you ever heard of them before this? if you had...did you talk to them? then I could sorta understand the logic behind sending the first email (although I still disagree with the content). if you hadn't ever heard of them...way to go in losing your butts a lot of potential customers by being douchebags. Their whole attitude is a lot like Hennesy's was before he imploded. Always sad to see another member of the brotherhood trying to scam us
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| « Re: (WDRacing) | 8:49 PM 3/22/2007 |
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well who developed the turbo itself maybe everyone whos designed one should get sued its stupid and they know they dont have a leg to stand on . the patent does not give specific location of turbo so as long as its not where they put it its not illegal to do it there are only so many things you have to change on somethings that patented so you can sell it the patent is to loose talk to a lawyer and bring print outs of there patent consultations are free ..... as for STS i will never recommend you to anyone or company i know P.S.guys heres the loop hole embodiment, the method of installing the turbocharger system includes removing an existing muffler from the vehicle and mounting the turbocharger at or near the location of the existing muffler. dont remove the muffler and they dont have a leg to stand on
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With an S14, if you were so inclined, you can try fitting a turbo in the fake cat location. Not sure if there is enough room, but since it's not a muffler, there is nothing they can get you for. bah, whatever, this thread is giving them more exposure than they will ever deserve.
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| « Re: (AZhitman) | 11:52 PM 3/22/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » | BTW, that thread was deleted on LS1 - STS is a sponsor there...  |
Was I the only one who broke out laughing upon reading that?
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Haha, I was laughing while I typed it.It'd be funny if it weren't so absurd and pathetic.
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| « Re: (Katapl) | 9:49 AM 3/23/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Katapl » | Was I the only one who broke out laughing upon reading that? |
Nope. And now this thread is the number one reason to do a remote mount turbo. I never really liked the idea before.
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| « Re: (Veriest1) | 12:23 PM 3/23/2007 |
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so the point is to take the turbo and move it under the car, as in further down the exhaust system? is there a gain in doing this over a normal mount position? the only thing iv heard of befor on the hole thing is dentsport puting the turbo on there s13 infront of the motor a bit.and i laughed hard when he said they deleted that thread.
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| Quote, originally posted by corey240 » | | so the point is to take the turbo and move it under the car, as in further down the exhaust system? is there a gain in doing this over a normal mount position? the only thing iv heard of befor on the hole thing is dentsport puting the turbo on there s13 infront of the motor a bit. and i laughed hard when he said they deleted that thread. |
Yeah, they replace the rear muffler with it. It's easier to mount in the sense of not having to mess with a turbo manifold and they claim the large charge piping has an intercooler effect and a bunch of other stuff that's probably on their website. The major issue is water+hot exhuast housing and I think it takes a bit longer to spool.
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| « Re: (AZhitman) | 1:25 PM 3/23/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » | Chano is right - This definitely means patent reform is needed.
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| « Re: (PoorManQ45) | 4:01 PM 3/23/2007 |
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Sorry everybody; I patented the internet. Everybody out except for hot chicks; you can stay but I must insist you gets nekkid.
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| « Re: (themadscientist) | 4:01 PM 3/23/2007 |
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I'm not a chick but I'm pretty hot. Do you want pics?
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no more mapelthorpes you sick bastard. I still have nightmares.
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| « Re: (themadscientist) | 4:04 PM 3/23/2007 |
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Oh God. Google that for pics. At work. I lose. 
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| « Re: (redtop91) | 4:09 PM 3/23/2007 |
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dumbass
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| « Re: (redtop91) | 5:44 PM 3/23/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by redtop91 » | Oh God. Google that for pics. At work. I lose.  |
mannnn... something told me when i seen that word. "don't google image it" then i read your responce.. which SHOULD have been a second warning.. to not google image it. ...yeh.. i regret it now

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| « Re: (NIGHTfall_240sx) | 5:56 PM 3/23/2007 |
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^ LOL TMS FTL.
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| « Re: (frapjap) | 5:56 PM 3/23/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by frapjap » | Here is my new email from them: I’d be glad to send you some information. The patent information is located on our website - http://www.ststurbo.com/patent - and it does cover the location as it is ‘turbo system and method of installation’. There have been some violators out there and we have shut a lot of them down and are continuing to enforce our patent and IP. Most people don’t understand the extent of coverage and protection that a patent provides. Our patents are very extensive and cover just about everything concerned with remote mounting a turbocharger. Greddy doesn’t have the patent on a front mount turbo system as that is the conventional way of doing it and you can’t patent something that everyone is already doing. So you are free to build your own front mount turbo system and nobody would care. STS pioneered this technology years ago and consequently was awarded patents for it. We are pretty easy to work with and have programs set up to help people do exactly what you are trying to figure out.Best Regards, Rick Squires Squires Turbo Systems, Inc
165 N. 1330 W. Suite A-4 Orem, Utah 84057 Phone: 866-WE TURBO Fax: (801) 607-6846 http://www.STSTurbo.com |
Am I the only one noticing them contradicting themselves?
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| « Re: (themadscientist) | 5:58 PM 3/23/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by themadscientist » | no more mapelthorpes you sick bastard. I still have nightmares. |
Yeah... I'm at work, too. I had to work to get the correct spelling and all.
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God, that really killed his thread didn't it madscientist?
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Is it too late to get a patent for SR motor swaps into the 240sx? Cause I'd like to get that.

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 tell them to get ****ed from me too.



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| « Re: (otterman) | 2:32 PM 3/24/2007 |
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Mmmmmm. Lag.
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| Quote, originally posted by redtop91 » | Mmmmmm. Lag. |
Engine Type: Twin-turbo V10 Displacement cu in (cc): 301 (4941) Power bhp (kW) at RPM: 810(604) / n.a. Torque lb-ft (Nm) at RPM: 733(994) / n.a. Redline at RPM: n.a. Brakes & Tires Brakes F/R: ABS, vented disc/vented disc Tires F-R: R20 Driveline: Rear Wheel Drive Exterior Dimensions & Weight Length × Width × Height in: 191.1 × 72.7 × 74.3 Weight lb (kg): 4033 (1830) Performance Acceleration 0-60 mph s: 3.6 Top Speed mph (km/h): 240 (386) i'll put with up some lag for 810HP .
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| « Re: (rexhunta) | 2:42 PM 3/24/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by rexhunta » | Engine Type: Twin-turbo V10 Displacement cu in (cc): 301 (4941) Power bhp (kW) at RPM: 810(604) / n.a. Torque lb-ft (Nm) at RPM: 733(994) / n.a. Redline at RPM: n.a. Brakes & Tires Brakes F/R: ABS, vented disc/vented disc Tires F-R: R20 Driveline: Rear Wheel Drive Exterior Dimensions & Weight Length × Width × Height in: 191.1 × 72.7 × 74.3 Weight lb (kg): 4033 (1830) Performance Acceleration 0-60 mph s: 3.6 Top Speed mph (km/h): 240 (386) i'll put with up some lag for 810KW.
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weeeeaak lol
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WOOOOO!!!!Pete, I'd give ANYTHING to have you drive that out to STS's shop and do a big fat smoky donut in their parking lot. 
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| « Re: (rexhunta) | 2:43 PM 3/24/2007 |
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Jeez, that thing looks vicious!
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