YOUR best DRIFT theory Here

[SpeeDDrifT]

curious of what everyones best drift technique is in their 240's.now i know that someone is going to say it depends on the corner your drifting and speed and incline. (obvious) but everyone knows that certain techniques work better than others for specific cars. in my trueno i use the side brake and feint.but for my 240 i never use the side brake unless i'm goofing off.

i would say my favorite technique for the S-13 is:feint motion and clutch kick......or feint trail brake, heel-toe to power match.

i appreciate everyones input....even new drifters...especially veteran drifters.

ps. newbie's drift tech can be found at our website....drift session has a good one too. http://www.slideways.com2.info;)

[MAXIMUS Nismo]

any info on how to drift a FWD?

I did it once in ma civic but was unable to duplicate it.

Was racing a buddy o mine and came upon a stretch that was just damp. (god damn lawn sprinkler) anyway, I was going outta control around a right hander (not a 90 , kinda like a 45 deg )Downshift to 2 and grabbed to E-brake (scared like ****) the car went halfway around the corner sideways before it stopped in the middle of the road. the nose was pointing at the inner center of the curve.

(was this a drift or an exagerated slide?)

BTW, I've heard taht the only way to drift a FWD is by usuing the E-brake and even then its hard as s*** and not really worth it.

[SpeeDDrifT]

to be really honest...you can't drift a FWD ...you can somewhat fake a drift but it is not the same. if you had piles of power and you pulled the side brake before the turn so you are sliding into the turn counter-steering and then moderated the throttle eventually stomping the gas on the exit....that would be the closest you would get to a real drift. but as i said you would need a lot of power in order to pull it off "clean". we do show a FWD drift line on the tech page. i have a video where some guy is sliding touge in japan in a FF he has the side brake locked and is basically dragging the rear around.....it first glimpse it looked like a real drift! again he must have had tons of torque.

[jrc90240sx]

well i use the e-brake to get the drift started, and then pop the clutch, it works pretty good. i cant get the back to come out on my car with out the e-brake unless the ground is wet, then i can drift without the e-brake.

as for a FWD car, people here (utah) get trays, like the ones you would get at like BK, or McDonals. then they would get about 4 of them, type 2 together, oil up the bottoms, roll there back tires on the trays, pull the e-brake, and start driving around and the back end will just slids around. then some FWD raily car drivers left foot brake making the back slide out and the front tires pull them though the turn.

[APEXi240]

Thats basically a*s dragging. FWD cars can't drift because they can't string drifts together.

[89sxRCR]

sorry man but fwd drives can drift 2. Its just easier in a RWD.. A LOT easier. They can use the e brake, or some other methods but they can. Iv seen drift races with fwd's, so its done.

[chrispy]

ohh the guys over at the SRO boards would have a feild day with this one. a "FF" can not drift. ( period)

[flip240]

Sorry to be sorry, but FWDs DONT DRIFT. FWDs powerslide, and whatever slide, they just don't drift. I'm restraining myself from freaking out, but there is a huge difference, b/c drifting looks so unique, and FWD tail wagging is so jerky and inefficent. If you don't believe me, go to any drift website or ask anyone who does pro drifting, FWDS DONT DRIFT. I practice drifting every weekend in an abandoned parking lot, and when you learn to drift, you have to understand the principles behind the countersteer and throttle control. I can't even imagine the inefficient power lost through FWD sliding. Gahhh.......

[MasterMan]

its ok flip240 go to your happy place.. everything will be alright

[MasterMan]

oh and how i drift... i tap the brake (so just the front brakes ingage making the back end lighter) then i gas it.. and it wips the backend right out...

[89sxRCR]

sorry to get everybody po'd. I guesse technically your right, its not "drifting" but more powersliding. MY friend has a gsr and he can slide pretty good sometime, using the ebrake. So i take back my post, it was incorrect. somebody shoot me now that im wrong

[SpeeDDrifT]

Quote »to be really honest...you can't drift a FWD ...you can somewhat fake a drift but it is not the same.[/quote] and NO FF do not powerslide.....a powerslide is basically spinning the wheels at a corners exit to kick the rear out a little bit....you can't powerslide a FF because spinning your wheels would only make you pull the rear end straight or cause you to understeer. basically by pull a sidebrake on a FF you are "somewhat" imitating the effect of a drift but we ALL KNOW that it is not the same. Quote »APEXi240 FWD cars can't drift because they can't string drifts together [/quote] now i've seen someone else say this before also.....and i have to say: completely untrue. it's like saying you are not drifting unless you are drifting more than one turn at a time....or a swaying drift is the only drift there is.. come on now. if you have ever been to a drift competition or even seen one on video you'll know that usually the driver drift ONE hairpin turn "that they are judged on". since they are not stringing drift together your saying they are not drifting at all?as i said before a FF can't drift ...this is true...but the reason being that there is no drive to the rear wheels to manipulate oversteer thru-out the turn....so i essense yes a FF can fake it (but it is not the same) and AWD can drift(must have right suspension set-up and gobs of power...and it still won't drift like a RWD) and RWD are KING OF DRIFT...and while im on it a powerslide as i said is spinning the rear wheels on the turns exit.a turn drift start before the turn kicking the tail out ...the tail end should be straightening out at the turn exit.(or swaying in the opposite direction to set up for the next turn.)I hope i helped to clear up some confusion and i hope i didn't offend anyone....we all know what we drive and why we love our cars.....NOW PLEASE if we could back to the subject. YOUR best DRIFT technique....peace:icesangel

[SpeeDDrifT]

Quote »a turn drift start before the turn kicking the tail out ...the tail end should be straightening out at the turn exit.(or swaying in the opposite direction to set up for the next turn.)[/quote] sorry that was a typo....one of the manya true drift starts before the turn...etc etc.drift on guys. and keep it coming. your best drift technique?

[MAXIMUS Nismo]

OK. I need someone to explain the feint drift. i don't think that's the actual name of it so bear with me.

Do u remember in Initial D where the younger brother in the FD36 first met Takumi? The drift that takumi did, where the car's @ss went slightly left then whipped right, around the left hand corner. me thinks he was setting up the whip.

Since some of you seem so experienced in drifting your babies around, can one of u lay some knowledge on me? How is this done.

BTW, i know there are a few sites with write ups about drift techniques, but i wanna hear from u.

Thank You.

[flip240]

Yeah, I have to apologize to everyone too, don't want to make anyone feel uncomfortable about their posts, and I get a little out of hand cuz its not in person =(

On to drifting... The only ones I've used is the afore mentioned feint drift; then I don't really know the name of this, but when its wet outside, I like to go into a turn at a sharp angle, then when i'm pretty close, I give the wheel a sharp turn while i lay it on the throttle a bit, put me in a nice drift position today =); and then going into a turn normally, when i hit the high revs, my KA equipped 240 likes to spit the tires and get me in that sideways position that is so freaky and fun.

(Note: I've destroyed tons of the tread on my rear tires which is probobly why i'm slipping all the time)

[SpeeDDrifT]

okay lemme try here...... :thinker

Quote »The drift that takumi did, where the car's @ss went slightly left then whipped right,[/quote]

that would be a feint drift you right MAXIMUS...another simulaur drift is swaying drift ....the difference in feint motion and a swaying drift is feint is personally i think feint is easier to preform and it is done in turns....and swaying is done on a straightaway..i have problems with this one, but if you've ever seen someone do a real swaying drift it is bad azz.:ylsuper:okay, now how i do the feint depends on the course ahead, coming up to the turn you can decide any technique to use to break the rear end free and then use feint afterward. but i am guessing your asking how to do a series of turn using only feint. SOOO...coming up to turn one (this is my way may not be excepted by the professional definition) you will jerk the (steering wheel) car away from the turn and back toward the turn at the same time brake....while doing this i reccomend a heel toe technique (clutch is in(left foot), brake with right foot while using your right foot also to keep you rpms up by tapping the throttle with your heel or right side of your foot.) these actions do a number of things, braking puts weight distribution on forward tires making the rear easier to break lose (actually at normal drift speeds, it doesn't make it easier, it just does, break them lose that is) the initial feint motion(jerking the steering wheel out and in) throws the weight of the car in the rear away from the turn....now you should be drifting counter steer thru the turn, moderating throttle(no easy way to explain that just something you need to practice) NOW the big difference is in the turns exit...on a normal drift you are straightening out the car by now in feint motion you'll keep the drift exaggerated longer holding counter-steer longer and throttle heavier. then give off on the throttle a little (otherwise your going to spin out!) but do it faster than normal (this will cause the rear to kick back) steer the car toward the road, your going to have to learn when and how to give throttle too hard to explain, but you can practice by going to a big open parking lot and drift a turn and afterward KEEP it "fishtailing". after you've gotten that down it is only a matter of timing and throttle control you control your "fishtail" to set up for the next turn.i hope i cleared that up a little for ya. i tried my best to explain the basic priciple of the feint however it will take a lot of practice, but hopefully now you'll have a better understanding of how to preform it.sorry for the long post.:icesangel

[SpeeDDrifT]

Quote »then I don't really know the name of this, but when its wet outside, I like to go into a turn at a sharp angle, then when i'm pretty close, I give the wheel a sharp turn while i lay it on the throttle a bit, [/quote]

Flip240 (sorry don't know how to use the quote thing to include you name, anyone wanna clue me it?) it's called "power over" , yeah i use that one too a lot if it's wet out. it's a little hard to start a power over early unless you use a little feint with it.

[SpeeDDrifT]

i know more people here drift...hell seems like 25% of the people here have drift in their user name. come on people post your thoughts on drift.

oh and by the way there is some drift vids you can download on kazaa, (or my website soon as i figure out how to access my kodak data thru our website) calledstreetdrift.......1 2 and 3 ...i posted them on kazaa a long time ago so a bunch of idiots have changed the details of the file discription but if you look for streetdrift1, streetdrift2, and street.drift.3 you should find them....good vids from japan drifting industrial area. vid number 1 shows swaying drift about (9mb)vid number 2 shows feint drift about (11mb)vid number 3 i believe they are using a slight feint motion only to start the drift with a clutch kick...hard to tell. about (12.5mb)once again i'll try to post them on the website when i figure it out.and if you didn't know already there are videos there...and please check it and sign the guestbook. thanks

[MAXIMUS Nismo]

thanks fer the info speeddrift, that will come in handy. And you did a good job explaining somthing that has to be practiced to learn.

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[neurovish]

A drift is nothing but maintained oversteer....too much oversteer and you spin, too little oversteer and...well, I guess you'd be understeering or not steering then. The essence of the drift is the midpoint of the extremes...so any car that can spin can drift, you just need to figure out the way to get it on the path to spinning yet keep it from doing so, and there are ff cars that tend to oversteer....anybody played with a ser specv? By Torry's account, it is prone to oversteer....and I hear tales of his car doing the drifting thing prior to being captured by red & blues. I've never tried drifting an ff car, so I can't really say how it's done....although logically it would be similar to rwd initially, only difference is you can't power over into a drift and can't control it as well once it's in the slide. Feint, trail braking, an ebrake can be done with any car though.

My technique/theory?I dunno...still developing.There aren't really any good places around here to practice, just parking lots and wide median u-turns....they'll help you learn how to brake traction and control a slide a bit, but as far as learning goes it's pretty ghetto. For the U I use pretty aggressive feint and power over...I found a good way to practice one night in the rain, run up to the braking zone doing about 50, put the car in neutral and try to throw the back out (don't forget to brake btw). You'll end up doing a lot of understeering, but it's good practice to get a feel for how much you can load up your front tires. This is just to practice getting the rear tires loose, this way you don't have the 'power over' crutch which is so easy to use in wet conditions. BTW...you want to end up doing about 20 - 30 depending on how wide your median is...and I mean big medians, not these wimpy 2 foot sections of cement you see in the middle of roads everwhere, you definately want room for error if you don't plan on walking home.For parking lot drifts, it's pretty much the same thing in the wet, feint and power over but you don't really need to kill as much speed as for the U. In the dry I use a bit of feint and a clutch kick.

If I could have my way, then I'd use nothing but feint and trail braking...give my poor clutch and driveline a rest from the clutch kicks, maybe they'll last a bit longer. I haven't really experimented much with the e-brake, only for the occasional 3 point turn circumvention.

[Slash88-300zxt]

Welll... i have only just recently gotten my 240....... my Z i dont wanna try drifting much cause i am really afraid to trash it. I have power overed the Z at high speed before but not with the intent of drift...... So far in my 240 i have done clutch kick style drifts (thats when you rev it high and drop the clutch while moving right?) but anyhow i'd really like to try more stuff but here in daytona FL there is no place to drift, i have only found one place but it isnt large enough for really fun stuff.. so ihave to say i like power over and clutch kick, i know what all the drifting techniques LOOK like, but duplicating them without video of the drivers feet and hands is hard........ anyone have video of the feet and hands?

[Slash88-300zxt]

also http://www.slideways.com2 dosent seem to work for me... work for anyone else?

[SpeeDDrifT]

it's http://www.slideways.com2.info and please vote on the poll and sign the guestbook.

also i use the clutch kick as exactly that, kicking the clutch basically, sometimes 3-4 times somewhat rapidly to keep the break of traction. as you said the "moving burnout" popping the clutch basically can be used but kinda hard to do a true drift like that using that alone. also it can't be used for speeds over 40 unless you've got mad torque.

[Slash88-300zxt]

i did my first feint motion drift today! from 40 MPH i did it but you can tell how much the open diff is hurting me doing it........

[Just another 240]

well and for me, i dont' know how to drift but i'm practicing and wish there's someone to teach me. The things ya talking about up there I understand 1/2 and not 1/2 so i'm just gonna read it more on other site.

Any ways if a car is high when you drift will it flip over? Cause my 240 S13 is freakin HIGH! u can put a whole fist between the wheel and the wheel-well(the fender part). Sometimes when i go on a deeper corner, the car feels like is about to flip or something. Sighs~

[Slash88-300zxt]

my S13 is all stock and i have feint drifted it from 40-50 and 55 MPH.......... as long as you dont curb it i cant see how the car will flip

[Just another 240]

Also how far do ya set your seat to do a heal and toe? Because i tried the heal and toe POSITION and if i sit on a regularly driving position, there isn't enough leg room to do the heal and toe, i would have to move my sit alot further back to do it.

[Just another 240]

my S13 is all stock and i have feint drifted it from 40-50 and 55 MPH.......... as long as you dont curb it i cant see how the car will flip

what does curbing it mean?

[Just another 240]

well i dont' really get what feint drift mean but when u drifting i don't know would it feel like it's going to tip over because you are acutally sliding. But what i'm saying is when i go in a sharp corner just driving it hard (not drift) it feels like it's going to flip. ya know what i mean?

[Slash88-300zxt]

curbing it means hitting a curb