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[slw240sx]

nah it wont flip although i saw a 89 coupe in a junk yard look like it had been rolled although i dont see how they arent suvs must have done somthing else no rims were bent just one side crushed an scraped goin from left front to right rear spoiler ripped off one sides windows broke sun roof not though wierd maybe he ran her under a 4X4 truck hah

[Slash88-300zxt]

i'm not saying its impossible to roll but, you'd have to hit something on the lower end of the car at a high slip angle......... as far as during drifting on flat pavement, no the car will not flip

[Bizz]

I got a 85 200 turbo that I like to play with. Not an expert drifter by any means, but I got two styles of drift. A real basic street one turn slide that I bust through a couple of corners in an abandond industrial center. Set up in the wrong lane in 2nd gear at around 30-35. turn in too early for the apex but not a super violent yank(hmmm that sounds kinda pervy). Floor it, start counter steering and clip the apex a close as I can (with geez...I don't know around 30deg. counter steer). Modulate the throttle and try to have a smooth exit in the correct lane. The turns are all 90's cept for one thats more like a silght bend which I take faster but try to stay in the same lane on.

And the FUN type thats done on gravel. same speeds but if it's a left I start as inside as I can, JERK the wheel right, tickle the throttle, take it quick left + more gas, to start the drift through the left turn, and counter steer and mod. throttle to suit the corner. Can't really tell you the speeds but one time I looked down just after straighting out and it was reading 39. Never spun doing this but freaked out one time and got on the brakes hard right in the middle of the turn + slid off the road. Luckly it was just a grass ditch that I drove out of, but still a butt clencher.

[Slash88-300zxt]

S12!! w00t!!!

[SpeeDDrifT]

well i dont' really get what feint drift mean

if you read the first post on the second page i gave a pretty in depth explanation of feint drift.

but when u drifting i don't know would it feel like it's going to tip over because you are acutally sliding. But what i'm saying is when i go in a sharp corner just driving it hard (not drift) it feels like it's going to flip. ya know what i mean? [/QUOTE]

very unlikely your going to flip .....as Slash said you would have to hit some curb, bump, dip something in order to throw the weight of the car over the center of gravity....

however Just another 240 (and anyone else interested in drifting thats a little less experienced) you sound like your interested in drifting but not a very experienced driver(please don't take offense) i suggest you first get aquainted with the basics of aggressive driving, preferrably in SCCA autocross before you move on to drifting. To drift takes a good understanding of weight distribution and transfer as well as the fundamentals of traction and autocross is a good place to learn this. when you decide to practice your drift. do as many people on the thread have said.....practice in some empty parking lot where your not going to hurt anyone else and less likely to wreck your car.

[SpeeDDrifT]

ah hell......to continuesome things for anyone new to drifting to practice in a EMPTY SAFE PARKING LOT...

i would reccommend trying small low speed slides at first. drive straight get your speed up to around 25-30 pull the hand brake and turn the wheel hard. (your car will spin around) pay attention to the feel of this. how the tires break traction, how much your turned the wheel to turn the car a particulaur amount, etc.

after you feel comfortable with that, try driving in a circle, accelerate, brake etc get used to how the tires with react the faster you go the less traction available for grip, this also applie to braking.

after you feel comfortable with that ...try breaking traction to the rear wheel in the circle and hold a drift in a circulaur motion. yes you can drift in a circle! it is NOT the same as doing a doughnut because you with be COUNTERSTEERING(and the circle with be rather large), remember to modulate the throttle.

once your feel comfortable with these exercises try different the different types of drift listed at http://www.slideways.com2.infoin the parking lot.

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[Bizz]

S12!! w00t!!!

Yup I'm reprazentin tha OG, only whiter. You ever driven a s12? cheap, fun, light(ish).

I agree totally with speed drift on the safe parking lot thing. I may have sounded a bit like a unsafe driver but I used to work security on the industrial area, and know that after 11 o'clock it is absolutely deserted. The corners I drift all have nice sightlines and the lanes are all designed for semi's to take nice and wide. Pick your spots and drive safe.

[Just another 240]

if you read the first post on the second page i gave a pretty in depth explanation of feint drift.

but when u drifting i don't know would it feel like it's going to tip over because you are acutally sliding. But what i'm saying is when i go in a sharp corner just driving it hard (not drift) it feels like it's going to flip. ya know what i mean?

very unlikely your going to flip .....as Slash said you would have to hit some curb, bump, dip something in order to throw the weight of the car over the center of gravity....

however Just another 240 (and anyone else interested in drifting thats a little less experienced) you sound like your interested in drifting but not a very experienced driver(please don't take offense) i suggest you first get aquainted with the basics of aggressive driving, preferrably in SCCA autocross before you move on to drifting. To drift takes a good understanding of weight distribution and transfer as well as the fundamentals of traction and autocross is a good place to learn this. when you decide to practice your drift. do as many people on the thread have said.....practice in some empty parking lot where your not going to hurt anyone else and less likely to wreck your car. [/QUOTE]

so does that mean no matter how HARD/sharp i turn(not drift) the car shouldn't flip on me. right?

and i read about autocross before on maganzine, i really want to go there and practice and chill but where is the place? and also i live in nyc.

[Just another 240]

when ya drift and stuff, do ya lose alot of tires?

[SpeeDDrifT]

as i said......:very unlikely your going to flip .....as Slash said you would have to hit some curb, bump, dip something in order to throw the weight of the car over the center of gravity....to make the car flip......however if you do plan on driving hard....doing autocross....especially drifting...lower your car first.

[drifter]

when ya drift and stuff, do ya lose alot of tires?

Countless amounts...he he.....

[SpeeDDrifT]

when ya drift and stuff, do ya lose alot of tires?

drifting is by no means cheap....you will spend money on tires... i have three sets of rims with tires mounted.....one set of 17" i prefer......and two sets of stocks.....15" ........your spinning your wheels while traveling sideways....your gonna burn some rubber.

[Just another 240]

icic..so where is the place for autocrossing?

[Slash88-300zxt]

i just would say you only need new rims for the rear...

[EyeStabPeople]

i literally cant heal toe, theres simply nto enough room in the car, im 6'8'' and i just got the car, ill just stick to grip

[Slash88-300zxt]

haha i know the problem..... just use your right 3 toes for the gas and the balls on the inside of your feet or your big toe for the brakei'm 6'5 and it works for me!!!

[slw240sx]

yeah these cars are designed for 5 foot tall japanese people not us

[Slash88-300zxt]

well the only think is when u toe toe like i have too.. it sure dosent look as cool as real heel toeing

[SpeeDDrifT]

i literally cant heal toe, theres simply nto enough room in the car, im 6'8'' and i just got the car, ill just stick to grip

i'm 6'1 wear size 12 shoes.....i would have to take out the bottom half of my dash and reaarange my pedal to be able to heel-toe in the normal manner....you just gotta figure out what works best for you so that you can accurately press all three pedals at once....

..also in order to GRIP race well you would also use a heel-toe technique.

[Slash88-300zxt]

like i said........... i use the right 3 toes to press the gass since you dont need to blip it a lot to change the revs with the clutch in

and i use the inside ball of my feet for the brake (provides lots of force)

The left foot is alone to work the clutch as needed

[chrispy]

i can heel toe in my car. but i can only be wearing a certain type of shoe. my school shoes , because they have a "raised" heel part. I can't do it in sneakers.

[89sxRCR]

Maybey someone here can diagnose my drifting problem... Last time i started to drift i ****ed up the ending. Ill start it going into the turn at a good inside line, then give it some gas so the rear brakes free. Then as soon as i am sliding around to the exit i keep the gas a bout the same and suddenly the car will jerk left and ill reflexively pull a little right and then suddenly im spinning out into the dirt at the side of the road, narrowly missing a few objects. Im not drifter, i usually just drag it, but this bugs the hell out of me. Im kinda not looking foward to drifting again after that, but i think i have a few ideas about what went wrong. One, i didnt countersteer, i held the wheel toward the turn, two, i didnt let off the throttle until i started to spin out, and three, possibly i started the drift too late... these are all theories but my main problem is keeping the car on the road without jerking after it gains traction. I would appreciate some help

[C-Kwik]

i literally cant heal toe, theres simply nto enough room in the car, im 6'8'' and i just got the car, ill just stick to grip

You need to learn to heel-toe if you want to be competetive on a track. It's not a drifting technique. It's a racing technique.

As far as drifting, I can't say that I know how. I just don't bother with it. Frankly speaking, I doubt more than a small handful of people in this forum can even be considered decent at it. It's not what I would consider easy to do.

There are different techniques to start the drift, but once you get it to start, it seems that basically, it's a balance of counter steer and throttle control. And from drift videos I've seen and what I've heard from what cars are doing at the track events I go to, the throttle is not modulated by holding the throttle in a particular position, but rather by getting on and off the gas. I would assume the frequency and duration of the on and off periods of open and closed(maybe mostly closed) throttle controls the wheelspin.

As far as FF drifting, I would agree it's not really drifting, but rather, just sliding. FF cars would have an extremely difficult time sliding through a long turn, since the front wheels pulling the car would pull the car out of the drift.

[SpeeDDrifT]

Maybey someone here can diagnose my drifting problem... Last time i started to drift i ****ed up the ending. Ill start it going into the turn at a good inside line, then give it some gas so the rear brakes free. Then as soon as i am sliding around to the exit i keep the gas a bout the same and suddenly the car will jerk left and ill reflexively pull a little right and then suddenly im spinning out into the dirt at the side of the road, narrowly missing a few objects. Im not drifter, i usually just drag it, but this bugs the hell out of me. Im kinda not looking foward to drifting again after that, but i think i have a few ideas about what went wrong. One, i didnt countersteer, i held the wheel toward the turn, two, i didnt let off the throttle until i started to spin out, and three, possibly i started the drift too late... these are all theories but my main problem is keeping the car on the road without jerking after it gains traction. I would appreciate some help

well it was a number of things....1. countersteer....unless your a master of 4 wheel drift you'll have to countersteer....2. i'm assuming you were making a left turn....being your probably not used to the feeling of a drift...your drift probably just stated...however no countersteer is a major factor....i'm guessing you were also to heavy on the throttle....throttle control in a drift can only be learned not explained so.....practice. read my post about beginner drift practices.3. since im assuming your drift (to tail end really hanging out) had just started pulling off of the throttle quickly is the worst thing you can do in a drift...also the most common mistake for beginners. next time try tapping the brakes...and keep modulating the throttle.....do this in a wide open area...parking lot4. your drift line.......depending on what angle turn, your apex is going to be different.....but usually it will be an early apex.

anyways my best guess from you discription......

[danejah99]

I put it in 2nd turn the wheel gas it it and when the *** starts to swing I counter steer and try not to give it too much gas cause when u come back to going striaght u may then fish tail. not good...

[Just another 240]

well it was a number of things....1. countersteer....unless your a master of 4 wheel drift you'll have to countersteer....2. i'm assuming you were making a left turn....being your probably not used to the feeling of a drift...your drift probably just stated...however no countersteer is a major factor....i'm guessing you were also to heavy on the throttle....throttle control in a drift can only be learned not explained so.....practice. read my post about beginner drift practices.3. since im assuming your drift (to tail end really hanging out) had just started pulling off of the throttle quickly is the worst thing you can do in a drift...also the most common mistake for beginners. next time try tapping the brakes...and keep modulating the throttle.....do this in a wide open area...parking lot4. your drift line.......depending on what angle turn, your apex is going to be different.....but usually it will be an early apex.

anyways my best guess from you discription......

[Just another 240]

what is apex?

[SpeeDDrifT]

in plain english.....it's basically where your going to be closest to the turn.....it's where your line of travel and the corner are closest.so for example on a 90 degree turn....you would start wide and drift toward the corner....getting closest to the inside of the turn at the actual corner of the 90...that is your apex.sorry i don't think i described that too clearly.

okay i try to draw it.....understand this is gonna be blocky.

-------------your line---> / apex------->/ [======== / [corner / [ / [ / [

i hope that helped

[SpeeDDrifT]

okay my spacing got a fu_ked up.....so here...from the websitethis picture shows you...the apex on a 90......where you come closest to the inside of the corner.you can find a lot of your answers there....

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[89sxRCR]

that is correct, we use the same terminology in motorcycle racing. In the picture i assume he is racing on a street, otherwise he could be making a much better line through that turn by going into the other lane before and after the turn, gaining more exit velocity and greater entrance speeds as well