I am constantly putting "RWD" behind "sr20de" on every post I submit. this is because ALOT of people think that sr20de is only fwd i guess. I dunno. why would someone think i am talking about fwd sr in the rwd sr section.
the sr20det is getting a little too trendy now i think. Everyone is swapping there ka's for sr20det's and i guess not doing too much research into it. not knowing much about the cars that it came from. I have been wanting the sr20det for years and i can remember when i first heard of it not many people where doing it. now everyone with a 240sx has one or dreams about it.
o-well, the reason i got my sr20de so cheap is because the sr20det is so popular and the sr20de is know to the masses only in it's fwd form.
i just don't understand why people with engines from silvia K's and 180sx don't know about the engines that came out of silvia J's and Q's(and i think maybe 180sx had de's too, i'm not sure, i don't think so but i;ve heard..). it seems like there would be more sr20de's floating around than sr20det's! the K's were more costly than the Q's & J's. "jacks" have de's and were base models(ie. no power locks/windows). "Queens" had de's and pwr drs/windows vlsd etc. and "kings" had the det's and pwr drs/wins, vlsd, spoiler, all the good stuff.
like the mitzubitshi eclipses and the like, i would think that there are more N/A cars out there than there are turbo. so where are all the RWD sr20de's?
the differences are so suddle that i would expect alot more people to buy the sr20de, since they are all wanting to go "all-out" with it anyway. after forged internals, external oil pump(dry sump?), and bigger and better turbos, bov's,fmic,etc. not to mention all the larger, polished, chrome pipes, lightened flywheels and such. and i hear that the BIG power sr's have switched to DISTRIBUTORS or up graded to better coilpacks. after all these mods the only difference between the two can be changed with some paint on the valvecover.
YES, there is such a thing as a RWD SR20de N/A
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gundamx_105
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the de does have sutble differences .smaller injectors no oil squirters higher compression possibly different air flow meter.
andyes they dd come in the 180's but in the later ones not the earlier ones.btw a number of people in aust have turboed the n/a motor with good results. and some reliability.there isalso a large range of tuning parts for them upto 250 hp for off theshelf bits. not too shabby if you ask memeggala
andyes they dd come in the 180's but in the later ones not the earlier ones.btw a number of people in aust have turboed the n/a motor with good results. and some reliability.there isalso a large range of tuning parts for them upto 250 hp for off theshelf bits. not too shabby if you ask memeggala
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dj_lennon_franz
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see people dont build the SR20des's cause it costs WAY more money to make what a stock SR20det can make with a small amount of money...it will cost you almost double to make the kind of horse power the SR20det can make with a few bolt ons...also...here is the correct listing of the silvia/180sx models
Silvia J's-CA18de (came in the Js though out its life span) Js are base modelsSilvia Q's-SR20de power windows and locks etc (zenki Qs came with the CA18de)Silvia K's-SR20det fully loaded...factory optional Aero Kit
180sx Type A-SR20de base model180sx Type X-SR20det full loaded with factory Aero Kit(i think there is also a typeS that was actually the middle model that came SR20de and the typeA came with the CA18de...im still trying to find info on this)
Silvia J's-CA18de (came in the Js though out its life span) Js are base modelsSilvia Q's-SR20de power windows and locks etc (zenki Qs came with the CA18de)Silvia K's-SR20det fully loaded...factory optional Aero Kit
180sx Type A-SR20de base model180sx Type X-SR20det full loaded with factory Aero Kit(i think there is also a typeS that was actually the middle model that came SR20de and the typeA came with the CA18de...im still trying to find info on this)
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gundamx_105
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i was just sayin if you go "all-out" because as much as these people are modding in the end when there is nothing left to mod the oil squirters and valve cover color are the only differences.
i have been thinking of turboing mine, but i'm afraid that eventually i will HAVE to buy rings and headgasket, maybe more than that. and if i have to replace the rings i am surley going to replace the pistons, rods, and bearings. so i think im going to save up and have the money readyto rebuild before bolting on a turbo.
according to the australian site http://www.silviansw.com/ , the J's trim was also included in the series 2 ps13. the J's refer to a Base model. no extras at all. i would trust that the austrailians know what they're talking about, but i have not looked up the specifiics of trims on any other site.
this thread i started to let people know that there is a rwd sr20de, and it does indeed have a distributor and plugwires. and i beleave there are more de's out there than det's, although most engine distributors have very little if any de's. i got mine from japan direct and they had just the one, it had been sitting a long time in the warehouse and was missing some pieces to it. they gave me the ecu from an avnir(fwd sr20de)
i have been thinking of turboing mine, but i'm afraid that eventually i will HAVE to buy rings and headgasket, maybe more than that. and if i have to replace the rings i am surley going to replace the pistons, rods, and bearings. so i think im going to save up and have the money readyto rebuild before bolting on a turbo.
according to the australian site http://www.silviansw.com/ , the J's trim was also included in the series 2 ps13. the J's refer to a Base model. no extras at all. i would trust that the austrailians know what they're talking about, but i have not looked up the specifiics of trims on any other site.
this thread i started to let people know that there is a rwd sr20de, and it does indeed have a distributor and plugwires. and i beleave there are more de's out there than det's, although most engine distributors have very little if any de's. i got mine from japan direct and they had just the one, it had been sitting a long time in the warehouse and was missing some pieces to it. they gave me the ecu from an avnir(fwd sr20de)
Wow, I truly cannot justify going that route rather than buying a $300 KA24DE and building it to turbo, putting it in then selling yours for $300 to get that money back...
People go sr20deT because of the reliability for the most part, and as said above, the fact that with minor bolts ons the power jumps quite a bit. ~230-250whp is pretty fun for a daily driver...Buying a SR20DE (less displacement, and WILL need internals for lots of power) to turbo jsut doesn't make since to me when there are soooo many KA's around to do that with for soooo much less (the ones that all those sr20det fanatics ditch that are in good shape)...not to mention they also have a distributor :p
People go sr20deT because of the reliability for the most part, and as said above, the fact that with minor bolts ons the power jumps quite a bit. ~230-250whp is pretty fun for a daily driver...Buying a SR20DE (less displacement, and WILL need internals for lots of power) to turbo jsut doesn't make since to me when there are soooo many KA's around to do that with for soooo much less (the ones that all those sr20det fanatics ditch that are in good shape)...not to mention they also have a distributor :p
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gundamx_105
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oh here's one of those ka guys.
the ka's a truck engine! it has more torque than hp. the head is smaller, the block is iron. have you ever done an sr swap and taken the ka out? it must weigh nearly twice as much as the sr. the sr IS a performance engine. the ka is not.
the ka i took out of my junkyard car had a hole in the block in the drivers side. because the former owner cut the rev/speed limiter and remmed on it, and he didn't even have a turbo on it.
i have $1,500 in my 240sx with the sr20de and it has 40k give or take 5k! got a deal on the engine(since the de is not as "trendy" as the det, and it was missing some minor parts too) and did the swap myself(no i am not a mechanic!)i think that is WELL worth it.
you bolt a turbo onto a ka and boost too much and see how long it lasts. run the same boost on a sr20det and ka24de(T) and see who wins the race. the sr revs over a grand more.
and these engines we swap have less than 50k on them! good luck finding a ka24de with less than 100k! have you ever driven a sr car? drive a 240sx then get into a se-r(although they'r a tad bit slower than the jdm) and see which one you'd rather have.
the ka's a truck engine! it has more torque than hp. the head is smaller, the block is iron. have you ever done an sr swap and taken the ka out? it must weigh nearly twice as much as the sr. the sr IS a performance engine. the ka is not.
the ka i took out of my junkyard car had a hole in the block in the drivers side. because the former owner cut the rev/speed limiter and remmed on it, and he didn't even have a turbo on it.
i have $1,500 in my 240sx with the sr20de and it has 40k give or take 5k! got a deal on the engine(since the de is not as "trendy" as the det, and it was missing some minor parts too) and did the swap myself(no i am not a mechanic!)i think that is WELL worth it.
you bolt a turbo onto a ka and boost too much and see how long it lasts. run the same boost on a sr20det and ka24de(T) and see who wins the race. the sr revs over a grand more.
and these engines we swap have less than 50k on them! good luck finding a ka24de with less than 100k! have you ever driven a sr car? drive a 240sx then get into a se-r(although they'r a tad bit slower than the jdm) and see which one you'd rather have.
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Onizuka
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SR20DE weighs about 110-160lbs less than the KA24DE and is just as capable in the NA power department.
Quote »the ka's a truck engine!
the sr IS a performance engine. the ka is not[/quote]1) The KA24DE appeared in a CAR 7 years before it made is appearence in a Truck.
2) The KA is just as much a performance engine as the SR, neither are very impressive in stock trim.
3) we're not here to prove this motor is better than another, just to have fun with what we chose to go with.
Quote »Silvia J's-CA18de (came in the Js though out its life span) Js are base modelsSilvia Q's-SR20de power windows and locks etc (zenki Qs came with the CA18de)Silvia K's-SR20det fully loaded...factory optional Aero Kit[/quote]88-90 were all CA18's, all 91-02 were all SR20's.
And gundam, i cant speak for everyone else, but i have know about RWD SR20DE's for about a year and half now. They just arnt popular in the states, thats why you dont see anybody else with them.
Quote »the ka's a truck engine!
the sr IS a performance engine. the ka is not[/quote]1) The KA24DE appeared in a CAR 7 years before it made is appearence in a Truck.
2) The KA is just as much a performance engine as the SR, neither are very impressive in stock trim.
3) we're not here to prove this motor is better than another, just to have fun with what we chose to go with.
Quote »Silvia J's-CA18de (came in the Js though out its life span) Js are base modelsSilvia Q's-SR20de power windows and locks etc (zenki Qs came with the CA18de)Silvia K's-SR20det fully loaded...factory optional Aero Kit[/quote]88-90 were all CA18's, all 91-02 were all SR20's.
And gundam, i cant speak for everyone else, but i have know about RWD SR20DE's for about a year and half now. They just arnt popular in the states, thats why you dont see anybody else with them.
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gundamx_105
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I know not EVERYONE is oblivious to the sr20de rwd. i am just trying to spread the knowledge, because it seems like every time i say sr20de in this forum, it is misinterpreted.
and we all know that the 88-90 were ca's, i just pointed out that the J's were included in all silvia series.
and i don't care what engine is who's favorite. i have driven an se-r and a 240sx, and i have made up MY mind on that subject. ask any nissan tech or someone nissan/infinity certified and they will most likly tell you that the ka 24de is not really a "performance" engine. it was built for torque. i cannot recall ever hearing of the ka being used in nissan racing. the sr engine has been used for sooo long in nissan racing, starting with the race engine it evolved from, fj20e(yes it is dohc!, one of the first, it was made before there was an engine code for dohc)
the ka24 fwd was used in the altima, stanza(u12), and bluebird.
i wouldn't say the ka was used much for these cars. maybe the cheap versions. the sr series engine is used sooo much more in nissan cars than the ka.
http://www.silviansw.com/engines.php there are alot of pages on the net like this.
and we all know that the 88-90 were ca's, i just pointed out that the J's were included in all silvia series.
and i don't care what engine is who's favorite. i have driven an se-r and a 240sx, and i have made up MY mind on that subject. ask any nissan tech or someone nissan/infinity certified and they will most likly tell you that the ka 24de is not really a "performance" engine. it was built for torque. i cannot recall ever hearing of the ka being used in nissan racing. the sr engine has been used for sooo long in nissan racing, starting with the race engine it evolved from, fj20e(yes it is dohc!, one of the first, it was made before there was an engine code for dohc)
the ka24 fwd was used in the altima, stanza(u12), and bluebird.
i wouldn't say the ka was used much for these cars. maybe the cheap versions. the sr series engine is used sooo much more in nissan cars than the ka.
http://www.silviansw.com/engines.php there are alot of pages on the net like this.
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gundamx_105
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if you want a rwd sr engine and don't want to spend a hella lot of $$$ get the sr20de you can't find them on ebay, they're not popular enough, but i wouldn't get an engine/transmission off ebay anyway. go to japan direct or another respectable jdm distributor. and i bet you can get one for no more than 1,400. usually these places charge 2,400+freight for a "full" sr20det swap. which is not completely "full" unless it;s a front clip.
i got lucky and got my engine/transmission for $800 shipped because it was missing distrib cap/rotor/wires and shiftplate/shifter. it also came with a fwd ecu, which worked...but o2 and other things did not match totally.
I bet there are great deals to be had out there for de's, since they're not popular, just haggle alittle, you'd be suprised.
i got lucky and got my engine/transmission for $800 shipped because it was missing distrib cap/rotor/wires and shiftplate/shifter. it also came with a fwd ecu, which worked...but o2 and other things did not match totally.
I bet there are great deals to be had out there for de's, since they're not popular, just haggle alittle, you'd be suprised.
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There's a lot of misconception about the RWD motors... I personaly bought a S14 RWD DE swap, with the intention of building it up with internals. However, the S13 SR20DE has 9.5:1 C/R, and will EASILY handle 400whp with proper tuning. Just like the FWD DE's... Here's the differences..
No oil squirters- who cares? I usually pull these out and plug the holes anyway.. Oil squirters add un-needed weight to the piston. A properly tuned turbo engine doesn't need piston squirters.
Smaller injectors- I usually yank the 370's out anyway for bigger ones.. and you can get a used set of 370's for 50.00.. so no bigee here.
1mm smaller exhaust valvestems- I've never broken a valve... DE or DET.
Distributer with plug wires- I rather this... it allows me to buy a 150.00 MSD ignition system, and make up to about 500hp on the stock internal coil. Much cheaper than buying Splitfire coils.. or a pricey HKS ignition system to work with the stock coils.
Let's put it this way... I buy RWD DE complete swaps with uncut harness, ECU and all sensors for 600.00. Buy a stock turbo and manifold from someone upgrading thier DET. Let's say 350.00 or so for a good shape T25. 370cc injectors for 50.00. And then, you can even take your KA24DE ECU and send it to JWT to have them program it to run your SR20DE turbo setup. The best part is.. you can use your KA24DE harness and plug it into the SR. You have to change about 8 wires.. but that's about it. The DE will spool any turbo way faster than a DET.. and can make up to 400whp or so safely with proper tuning. You can't beat that!
Here's my wimpy S14 setup that I plan on making 600whp with.
For the price that most pay for a DET swap... I have fully built SR motor with cams, JE's, Saenz rods, ARP everything and a Cometic metal headgasket! And it's a fresh rebuild.. unlike a used SR that you have no idea what condition it's in.
Here's my turbo setup.. I was test fitting it before I actually assembled my block..
The "haters" flamed me when I announced what I was doing.. telling me that it was a waste of time... Well, for under 5K, I will have a reliable 600+hp 240sx.
Travis
No oil squirters- who cares? I usually pull these out and plug the holes anyway.. Oil squirters add un-needed weight to the piston. A properly tuned turbo engine doesn't need piston squirters.
Smaller injectors- I usually yank the 370's out anyway for bigger ones.. and you can get a used set of 370's for 50.00.. so no bigee here.
1mm smaller exhaust valvestems- I've never broken a valve... DE or DET.
Distributer with plug wires- I rather this... it allows me to buy a 150.00 MSD ignition system, and make up to about 500hp on the stock internal coil. Much cheaper than buying Splitfire coils.. or a pricey HKS ignition system to work with the stock coils.
Let's put it this way... I buy RWD DE complete swaps with uncut harness, ECU and all sensors for 600.00. Buy a stock turbo and manifold from someone upgrading thier DET. Let's say 350.00 or so for a good shape T25. 370cc injectors for 50.00. And then, you can even take your KA24DE ECU and send it to JWT to have them program it to run your SR20DE turbo setup. The best part is.. you can use your KA24DE harness and plug it into the SR. You have to change about 8 wires.. but that's about it. The DE will spool any turbo way faster than a DET.. and can make up to 400whp or so safely with proper tuning. You can't beat that!
Here's my wimpy S14 setup that I plan on making 600whp with.
For the price that most pay for a DET swap... I have fully built SR motor with cams, JE's, Saenz rods, ARP everything and a Cometic metal headgasket! And it's a fresh rebuild.. unlike a used SR that you have no idea what condition it's in.
Here's my turbo setup.. I was test fitting it before I actually assembled my block..
The "haters" flamed me when I announced what I was doing.. telling me that it was a waste of time... Well, for under 5K, I will have a reliable 600+hp 240sx.
Travis
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gundamx_105
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turbob, that turbo is huge.....you're gonna run it with 9.5:1 ratio? JE pistons and eagle rods are cheap ya know.
i want to see how this turns out! wonder how much boost before those 370cc injector max out and will the de hold up at that point. i would say ya, but i don't know how much more it could take with 9.5:1. even with a head gasket like that i think eventually you are going to have to bust it open again and replace rings sooner than you want to. the headgasket lowers the comp. alittle but not enough i think.
when i do mine i gotta have the forged 8.5:1 internals while i got the thing apart. if i had a phat garage and tools at my disposal i would do the same as turbob though.
it's low port intake.
is that a vvt? never saw a vvt de, could be aluminum top.
600hp....with 370cc injectors?
Got my exhaust!: cat.+2.5"pipe+magnaflow XL muff.too much flow, i need a turbo.
i want to see how this turns out! wonder how much boost before those 370cc injector max out and will the de hold up at that point. i would say ya, but i don't know how much more it could take with 9.5:1. even with a head gasket like that i think eventually you are going to have to bust it open again and replace rings sooner than you want to. the headgasket lowers the comp. alittle but not enough i think.
when i do mine i gotta have the forged 8.5:1 internals while i got the thing apart. if i had a phat garage and tools at my disposal i would do the same as turbob though.
it's low port intake.
is that a vvt? never saw a vvt de, could be aluminum top.
600hp....with 370cc injectors?
Got my exhaust!: cat.+2.5"pipe+magnaflow XL muff.too much flow, i need a turbo.
[No oil squirters- who cares? I usually pull these out and plug the holes anyway.. Oil squirters add un-needed weight to the piston. A properly tuned turbo engine doesn't need piston squirters.
doesn't the r34 skyline come with oil squirters. i've read that the oil squiters cool the pistons.i'm not sure why, but i am sure the r34 is a proberly tuned turbo engine.
doesn't the r34 skyline come with oil squirters. i've read that the oil squiters cool the pistons.i'm not sure why, but i am sure the r34 is a proberly tuned turbo engine.
OMG--if I hear someone else call the KA a truck engine--im gonna puke. Like said--the ka, I dont care if it came out of a school bus---its just as fast in stock form than an sr is in stock form. Weve taken stock ka's and raced them against stock sr's I stayed right beside the swapped car we just had done in my iwfes auto ka s14. Believe it or not. Dont get me wrong--im definately not an sr hater--AT ALL. My next car will definately be one. BUt dollar for dollar--ill stick with my ka---for jdm coolness factor and off the shelf availability, ill go with the sr, hands down.H
Having said that--i have yet to race an sr that could outrun my KA. We're talkionmg sr with full standalones and big turbos against my car with a jwt ecu and t3/t04e. An sr is great for a hobby car--but a ka always seems to end up on top in the end. My buddy ryan--hes running a built ka-t as well. Hes on the boards--his name is klatter1. His car made 400 to the wheels today--untuned. No outrageous setup--and on 24 lbs. I havent seen many sr's do it wihtout a considerable amount of tuning. So to bash the ka for being a "truck" motor is a little silly and outright ignorant. As a matter of fact--I think that for the goals you seem to be after--you are going to dump alot of money into a fruitless endevor. Th sr20de will take alot more money that you think to get to 250 all motor HP at the wheels. All motor horsepower aint easy to get Not without nitrous. And you wont have nearly as much torque at that HP # as you will want when all is said and done. Ask the honda guys.
Good luck to your project though--i hope it turns out well the way you want.
_josh
Having said that--i have yet to race an sr that could outrun my KA. We're talkionmg sr with full standalones and big turbos against my car with a jwt ecu and t3/t04e. An sr is great for a hobby car--but a ka always seems to end up on top in the end. My buddy ryan--hes running a built ka-t as well. Hes on the boards--his name is klatter1. His car made 400 to the wheels today--untuned. No outrageous setup--and on 24 lbs. I havent seen many sr's do it wihtout a considerable amount of tuning. So to bash the ka for being a "truck" motor is a little silly and outright ignorant. As a matter of fact--I think that for the goals you seem to be after--you are going to dump alot of money into a fruitless endevor. Th sr20de will take alot more money that you think to get to 250 all motor HP at the wheels. All motor horsepower aint easy to get Not without nitrous. And you wont have nearly as much torque at that HP # as you will want when all is said and done. Ask the honda guys.
Good luck to your project though--i hope it turns out well the way you want.
_josh
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dj_lennon_franz
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the KA may have more top end than the SR does when u do it up right...but also the KA requires more money to do up...from what ive seen the SR will take more abuse on track than the KA will give the SR has a better stock bottom end than the KA does...im not a big fan of the KA given i had the single cam and ive come to hate every inch of that motor...too many defects in it...not worth the time to fix up...if ur into the KA than hey props to you...but every motor that is discussed on here doesnt matter...what matters is how much money you have to spend on the motor...all the motors have their ups and downs...but for drifting and auto cross ill take my SR or even a CA over a KA any day given i know what the SR can handle over the KA
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gundamx_105
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if nissan put another engine in the 240sx other than the ka , you would all think that that engine was better than the sr too.
wonder how many ka's around the country have 40k on them....my sr20de has 40k more of less and was $800, how much money and effort does it take for a rebuilt ka?
ok they put the rwd ka in the trucks, and the engine has more torque than hp, so what, don't go to the trouble of engine swaps just throw a a turbo on it.....and oversized rims, and a huge tachometer(for no reason, just to look cool, and remind retards when to shift) and a loud exhaust.
you THINK the ka is cheaper...it is cheap yeah. i am not going to put down ANYTHING nissan has made so i will shut up now.
why do fag honda kids like to rev at me:oface
wonder how many ka's around the country have 40k on them....my sr20de has 40k more of less and was $800, how much money and effort does it take for a rebuilt ka?
ok they put the rwd ka in the trucks, and the engine has more torque than hp, so what, don't go to the trouble of engine swaps just throw a a turbo on it.....and oversized rims, and a huge tachometer(for no reason, just to look cool, and remind retards when to shift) and a loud exhaust.
you THINK the ka is cheaper...it is cheap yeah. i am not going to put down ANYTHING nissan has made so i will shut up now.
why do fag honda kids like to rev at me:oface
Well its not that fact I think that we think its better than the SR because it came in the car. Its the fact that I bought the engine not the car I have the lowest model 240sx Obviously I didnt buy it because it was luxurious I bought it because it had an engine that was halfway decent. I dont howeve want to spend alot of money on a new engine and just chuck or sell the other one for 300 bucks. I would however like to build up the KA which was in the bay to begin with and turbo it.
Much cheaper in the long run and less trouble trying ot source parts on the SR.
BUT hell honestly even though I would liek to turbo a KA the SR is jsut frikin beautiful I would love to get my hands on something like tht but I would rather keep my 700 dolalr A/C system which i bought.
Its all about taste. Its not really what you think is better. But what you think is better for your budget.
Much cheaper in the long run and less trouble trying ot source parts on the SR.
BUT hell honestly even though I would liek to turbo a KA the SR is jsut frikin beautiful I would love to get my hands on something like tht but I would rather keep my 700 dolalr A/C system which i bought.
Its all about taste. Its not really what you think is better. But what you think is better for your budget.
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dj_lennon_franz
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xxtrizz...the KA is not DEFFINATLY not cheaper in the long run...to get the same amount of power the SR will put out stock will run u almost a grand MORE than a swap...u have to also considder that when u want to push more boost on the KA u need to spend a ton of money to upgrade certain things in it...like the rods...pistons...rings...head gasget...fuel system...see where im going with this??? the stock bottom end on a SR will hold ALOT more power than the KA will...but again like i said...SR CA KA VG RB...doesnt matter what motor...what matters is how much money you have that u can spend making ur motor fast...if u want to go the route of turboing the KA then by all means have fun with it...just dont sit there all pissed off when u end up spending WAY more money on the KA to make it push and take the same amount of boost a stock SR can hold
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Onizuka
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- Car: 91 Nissan S13 coupe SR20DET
89 Nissan S14 hatch SR20DE
xxtrizz wrote:Much cheaper in the long run and less trouble trying ot source parts on the SR.
BUT hell honestly even though I would liek to turbo a KA the SR is jsut frikin beautiful I would love to get my hands on something like tht but I would rather keep my 700 dolalr A/C system which i bought.
1) sourcing parts for SR is just as easy or EASIER then finding parts for the KA2) your 700 A/C system will bolt onto the SR.
All you KA people need to stay out if all you are going to do is argue for the KA. This is a SR section, were are here to talk about SR's and SR related topics. I dont care if your KA makes 1300hp, spanks SR's, changes color, craps gold nuggets out the exaust and saves people from burning buildings, I dont want to see it in this section.
Jspe my a/c system will not bolt up I have the sohc model. The mount will not work.
Dj lennon I would correct yourself and do some real searching on the price variances before you spout misinformation off.
I can help you if you need me to figure out the cost difference but I was told to stop arguing.
my aim is xxtrizz if you need me to instruct you further that is all
Curious how is it so easy to find OEM parts for the SR than it is for the KA? We are talking specifically OEM I may not have said that earlier but curious as how it is easier.
Also nameing a third party company that imports parts for you. Is not easier btw.
Dj lennon I would correct yourself and do some real searching on the price variances before you spout misinformation off.
I can help you if you need me to figure out the cost difference but I was told to stop arguing.
my aim is xxtrizz if you need me to instruct you further
that is allCurious how is it so easy to find OEM parts for the SR than it is for the KA? We are talking specifically OEM I may not have said that earlier but curious as how it is easier.
Also nameing a third party company that imports parts for you. Is not easier btw.
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dj_lennon_franz
- Posts: 496
- Joined: Wed Nov 20, 2002 2:24 pm
- Car: 1992 240sx
xxtrizz...you keep the SR ac compressor and have some custom lines run...its like a 100-200 dollar job...very simple to do...i know tons of people who have done it with their swaps...and no i dont need to correct myself in saying that it costs more for a GOOD KAdet setup...a KA24 with a T25 turbo is NOT going to make the same kinda power the SR does...most KAdet swaps i have seen are done with T3T4 turbos and not one of em boosts above 10psi...so there is no misinformation here...its a fact that the KAdet takes more money to push the same amount of boost than the SR does
Another 100 to 200 dollar expense. Did you forget the refrigerant in that cost as well?
Alright lets say I buy a sr from a shop liek heavythrottle.... hmm the red top is 2500 dolars not including shipping. Then on top of that you will replace various parts because you dont know the life of then engine. Water pump etc.
You ahve to source these parts nobody makes a aftermarket water pump for the SR that I know of. Or aftermarket timing chain.
Hell while your at it get a gasket set for the car usually 200 or so dollars.
You gotta make sure the engine is in sound condition before plunking it in there and finding out your thermostat is old and kicked the bucket. Nothing and I repeat nothing is going to be magically drop able. Even if it runs when you got it in there you have no clue the expectancy on life for the parts that were provided in the engine.
I would expect at least a good 500 on parts so that you know you have a correctly running and definable mark on life for parts in your engine that way You know when to change it next time around.
Hmm your past 3k right now at maybe 3250, hmm interesting thing is that we arent even nearly done with a motorsetOh no we still need a FMIC kit BOV hell maybe even a turbo if it ends up its in bad shape. New you say? WHy yes new. interesting. Hmm, well what else xxtrizz? Hmm well lets see if you only plan on making 205 hp then you dont have to upgrade the injectors no biggy. Well then youll only make about 245hp wont you? We are at 4500 and you only get in aproximation of 245 horsepower with 15 psi boost? Wow that is alot of money for nothing. 15 psi is alot for that little gain. Im quoting a soure ill let you decide whee I got those figures from.
for around the same amount i can rebuild a KA really well and get a turbo kit built up. New parts all around and the funny part is the engine has 0 miles on it after a rebuild.
Kinda crazy wouldnt you say 0 miles? Fantastic I wouldnt even think an engine with after a rebuild would be somewhat like new I thought it came with approximatley 30k miles on it like a JDM engine? No that is where your wrong. Really? Yes really. Are you sure its 0 miles? Well im as sure my engine will have 0 miles as you are not sure how many miles came on yours. "Fantastic"
Hmm and after all this your engine comes with new forged internals and crazy performace parts in it?
YES isnt it amazing? Wow you sure are amazing xxtrizz. Eh I know im just doing my job.
OH and P.S. you ever seen the SDS turbo 240 on the sohc motor? Before rebuild he was getting 284 horsepower on 7.5 psi.
What you say xxtrizz 7.5 psi???? Oh yeah baby 7.5 almost what stock on the SR is with 284 hp? ::Fantastic::
Hmm well he did blow the ring lands correct? Oh yeah that was on a stock engine however and he has had a rebuild.
So what does he do now after the rebuild?Well to avoid detonation he is at 5psi <-- interesting to say the least. Also at 5psi he makes 230-240 hp.Wow above the hp of a stock SR?OH yeah dont doubt it monkey nuts its above stock HP at a lower psi?Well how do you know he is credible of his readings?Have you read his article? I think he knows more about engines then alot of these jokers on the forums do.wow all i can say is ::Fantastic::How much was this setup you ask? Well with a direct ignition system and a good amoutn of correct tuning by smart individuals it was only 5000 USD.5k? Your insane I want to make love to you all day!I know nancy Its ok if you rub me tonight however cause im feeling good.God all I can say is Fantastic.
Alright lets say I buy a sr from a shop liek heavythrottle.... hmm the red top is 2500 dolars not including shipping. Then on top of that you will replace various parts because you dont know the life of then engine. Water pump etc.
You ahve to source these parts nobody makes a aftermarket water pump for the SR that I know of. Or aftermarket timing chain.
Hell while your at it get a gasket set for the car usually 200 or so dollars.
You gotta make sure the engine is in sound condition before plunking it in there and finding out your thermostat is old and kicked the bucket. Nothing and I repeat nothing is going to be magically drop able. Even if it runs when you got it in there you have no clue the expectancy on life for the parts that were provided in the engine.
I would expect at least a good 500 on parts so that you know you have a correctly running and definable mark on life for parts in your engine that way You know when to change it next time around.
Hmm your past 3k right now at maybe 3250, hmm interesting thing is that we arent even nearly done with a motorsetOh no we still need a FMIC kit BOV hell maybe even a turbo if it ends up its in bad shape. New you say? WHy yes new. interesting. Hmm, well what else xxtrizz? Hmm well lets see if you only plan on making 205 hp then you dont have to upgrade the injectors no biggy. Well then youll only make about 245hp wont you? We are at 4500 and you only get in aproximation of 245 horsepower with 15 psi boost? Wow that is alot of money for nothing. 15 psi is alot for that little gain. Im quoting a soure ill let you decide whee I got those figures from.
for around the same amount i can rebuild a KA really well and get a turbo kit built up. New parts all around and the funny part is the engine has 0 miles on it after a rebuild.
Kinda crazy wouldnt you say 0 miles? Fantastic I wouldnt even think an engine with after a rebuild would be somewhat like new I thought it came with approximatley 30k miles on it like a JDM engine? No that is where your wrong. Really? Yes really. Are you sure its 0 miles? Well im as sure my engine will have 0 miles as you are not sure how many miles came on yours. "Fantastic"
Hmm and after all this your engine comes with new forged internals and crazy performace parts in it?
YES isnt it amazing? Wow you sure are amazing xxtrizz. Eh I know im just doing my job.
OH and P.S. you ever seen the SDS turbo 240 on the sohc motor? Before rebuild he was getting 284 horsepower on 7.5 psi.
What you say xxtrizz 7.5 psi???? Oh yeah baby 7.5 almost what stock on the SR is with 284 hp? ::Fantastic::
Hmm well he did blow the ring lands correct? Oh yeah that was on a stock engine however and he has had a rebuild.
So what does he do now after the rebuild?Well to avoid detonation he is at 5psi <-- interesting to say the least. Also at 5psi he makes 230-240 hp.Wow above the hp of a stock SR?OH yeah dont doubt it monkey nuts its above stock HP at a lower psi?Well how do you know he is credible of his readings?Have you read his article? I think he knows more about engines then alot of these jokers on the forums do.wow all i can say is ::Fantastic::How much was this setup you ask? Well with a direct ignition system and a good amoutn of correct tuning by smart individuals it was only 5000 USD.5k? Your insane I want to make love to you all day!I know nancy Its ok if you rub me tonight however cause im feeling good.God all I can say is Fantastic.
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dj_lennon_franz
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- Joined: Wed Nov 20, 2002 2:24 pm
- Car: 1992 240sx
dood i ran 15psi on my stock turbo no problem...that lil SMIC holds alot of boost...more than u think...lol man ur taking this too far..every single SR swap weve done in vegas has run perfect...i dont know where u get this need for aftermarket waterpump and timing chain set...u can get a timing chain set from a 91 Sentra SE-R sr20de and it works fine...direct replacement...new waterpump from nissan of japan is 115 bones...another 20-30 for shipping...water pumps dont just go out on these motors man...most water pumps ive seen in cars in vegas (yes where its 198 degrees in the shade in winter) dont go out for AT LEAST 100k miles on the majority of imports...friend of mine has close to 110k on his SR...the water pump still works like it was new...do a little homework on the SR before you start goin off on it man...ur getting all bent outta shape over this conversation...you like yer KA i like my SR
let me say this again
A MOTOR IS A MOTOR...IT WILL ONLY GO AS FAST AS YOUR BANK ACCOUNT WILL MAKE IT GO!!!! (you seem to be forgetting this)
i honestly dont care that the KA pulls harder top end...i just know for a fact from all the turbo KAs ive seen compared to the SR20dets in vegas, that the KA requires MUCH MORE WORK AND MONEY to make fast...friend of mine spent well over 5 grand on his KA just to be able to beat my measly little T25 and 15psi....calm down on yer hatin there man...have fun with yer KA ill have fun with my SR...i perfer mine u perfer yers
let me say this again
A MOTOR IS A MOTOR...IT WILL ONLY GO AS FAST AS YOUR BANK ACCOUNT WILL MAKE IT GO!!!! (you seem to be forgetting this)
i honestly dont care that the KA pulls harder top end...i just know for a fact from all the turbo KAs ive seen compared to the SR20dets in vegas, that the KA requires MUCH MORE WORK AND MONEY to make fast...friend of mine spent well over 5 grand on his KA just to be able to beat my measly little T25 and 15psi....calm down on yer hatin there man...have fun with yer KA ill have fun with my SR...i perfer mine u perfer yers