Y33 vs. G50, light to light.

[zinkie13]

It must have been in complete disrepair because the difference between the Y33 and the G50 is like night and day.....Its almost scary how much faster the g50 is sometimes I mean cmon! haha I'm kidding by the way! Congrats on the kill

[FarFetched]

BTW I just returned from Whistler B.C Good times.

[Jesda]

You drove to BC? The scenery up there is amazing, perfect for driving.

[Fastlane]

Jesda......that's your opinion.........I don't see any published statistics.check out the times from Motor Trend, Car and Driver, and Road and track, none of them are faster than 15.4 for the G50.

[Jesda]

Well, no, its not my opinion at all. Its the technical and physical differences between the cars. The Q gave up speed and gained weight in pursuit of refinement, reliability, environmental cleanliness, and ride quality.

6.9 seconds for 1990 according to Road and Track:http://q45.spilky.com/rtq45m30/scan0009.jpg

6.7 seconds according to Car and Driver:http://q.spilky.com/q45printads/1992.jpg

[AZhitman]

I'm really glad none of you drive cars in the 12-sec range, this pissing match would NEVER end.

It really doesn't matter. Magazine numbers mean nothing, we've seen proof of that over and over.

The supposed "experts" will chime in from time to time, with seat-of-the-pants opinions, which still mean nothing (ever drive a shifter kart? Feels a hell of a lot faster at 50 than a Q at 140).

My G50's not supposed to run VERY LOW 15's, yet it does (with 18" chrome wheels).

Rob's done a great job compiling various Q45 time slips, and I think the only thing it shows is:

1) Nothing we've assumed is borne out by the actual track numbers.

2) Maintenance and mods appear to be far more critical than anyone thinks.

3) Even Q's from the same year vary widely in their performance after a few years.

Just drive 'em hard and enjoy.

[FarFetched]

Persenally, I do not believe in magazine statisctics!What is the dofference between two identical cars doing different time on a track? The CUSHION between steer wheel and driver seat!

I've never done track and will never do it. I want to enjoy my car without spending big $$$ on improvements.

[FarFetched]

You drove to BC? The scenery up there is amazing, perfect for driving.

Yes indeed, it was amazing in my new "Old Lady". I've driven up there several times it in my Jeep. I am a downhill bike junky! Completely different feeling and level of enjoyment! I was doing their speed(KMH) limit in MPH because was too slow;) . Hwy99 is perfect for sharpening your slalom-driving skills Cheers!

[redmanfx]

I love this fun loving chatter. It's great to to debate the differences and times between the two, but it really comes down to our own cars and what we've done to them and how intensely we brag about them. I'm sure the difference between the two is so miniscule that it only matters to us anyway.

This only shows how much the G50 and Y33 drivers love their cars and that is what it's about anyway isn't it? Falk beat the G50 and you can't take that away and no matter what articles you bring to the table, he'll still smile everytime he sees these debates and remembers the time he won.

We need more of this stuff to bring us together and find out for ourselves. Fix up your cars and take them to some meets and let's have some fun!! I still love my 92 and will always sway that way......

Feel the love.......

red

[Jesda]

I'm just happy to not leak fluid! Well, except power steering, and coolant, and... damn it.

[elwesso]

I'm really glad none of you drive cars in the 12-sec range, this pissing match would NEVER end.

It really doesn't matter. Magazine numbers mean nothing, we've seen proof of that over and over.

The supposed "experts" will chime in from time to time, with seat-of-the-pants opinions, which still mean nothing (ever drive a shifter kart? Feels a hell of a lot faster at 50 than a Q at 140).

My G50's not supposed to run VERY LOW 15's, yet it does (with 18" chrome wheels).

Rob's done a great job compiling various Q45 time slips, and I think the only thing it shows is:

1) Nothing we've assumed is borne out by the actual track numbers.

2) Maintenance and mods appear to be far more critical than anyone thinks.

3) Even Q's from the same year vary widely in their performance after a few years.

Just drive 'em hard and enjoy.

I pretty much 100% agree.. SHOW ME SOME TIME SLIPS... I want to see some of you Y33 guys take it down on the track...

I agree with #3 on greg especially... When I talked to Rex, he said that my Q ran a 14.8 at moroso with only a JWT.. I dont think my car is capable of doing that, maybe it is? I havent tried...

HOwever, the bottom line is, we can all enjoy them... None of our Qs, with the exception of rob's, is even borderline fast... So why debate whos the slowest of the slow??

[350zQ45a]

I think the magazine comparisons are valid assuming the cars were newND the conditions were the same the testers had.

You can see the differences in the launching techniques used between the different magazines, because they come up with different numbers.

I'm not so sure they are invalid, I think it has more to do with the Q45s being ancient.

Of the few cars I've owned that were worth running down the strip, the numbers came up fairly close to what they were reported to be in the mags.

Without the two cars being new, it's pretty much pointless.

I know my supra was a mid 13 second car with a mid 10x trap, because I took it to the strip, and it came out just like that. The mags have the Z at low 14s to high 13s at 100+ mph, and my GTECH has been pretty much spot on that number.

I wouldn't discount magazine tests, I would discount cars age, driver skill, test conditions etc into the equation

Top Gear does it right by throwing cars onto a technically challenging small road course design, where you can really see how handling equates versus power in terms of performance.

[Falkdesigns]

pito11213, if you "smoked" your friends 98 and you had two bad injectors, there was something wrong with your friends car.

Q_ship, I'm glad to hear your car now runs like it should.

Wes, our cars are not slow. Period. If a ~4000 pound car can go 0-60 in ~ 7 seconds, it's quick, not slow, not a bullet, but still by todays standards it's quick, and faster than many current cars.

Good discussions going on in here, as redmanfx said "feel the love".

[pito11213]

I didnt smoke him until we got up to high speeds. Actually he pulled on me up until about 100. Then the Q broke out the power. It went up to 140 no problems. The BMW had the governor removed and he couldnt catch me once we hit 100. It was about 60 degrees straight road 5 lanes no traffic.

And J yeah I know!! Those days are gone trust me.

[Falkdesigns]

I'm not suprised you beat a BMW 528, that's not much of a power house there with only a 2.8 liter engine, you should beat him!

[maxnix]

Now, what we're really comparing is the Nissan President to the Nissan Cima. They both happen to be caUSDM lled Qs.

That'a not true at all! Some Cima (FY33) were Q45 (aka - Q41), but neither Cimas nor Q45 (neither JDM nor USDM) were ever Presidents.

Look at the model designation numbers.

[350zQ45a]

Talk about semantics.

The Q45 is the president, just like the Jaguar XJ is the vanden plas.

Numbers aside they are identical, except for stretched wheelbases and more options

[Jesda]

That'a not true at all! Some Cima (FY33) were Q45 (aka - Q41), but neither Cimas nor Q45 (neither JDM nor USDM) were ever Presidents.

Look at the model designation numbers.

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President:

Cima:

[pito11213]

You [QUOTE=Falkdesigns]I'm not suprised you beat a BMW 528, that's not much of a power house there with only a 2.8 liter engine, you should beat him! [/QUOTE

You would be surprised at how fast the 528 is. I've seen this guy go up against a brand new maxima and win. The handling on the 5 is superb.

[Black95Q]

Nice Kill!

[maxnix]

That'a not true at all! Some Cima (FY33) were Q45 (aka - Q41), but neither Cimas nor Q45 (neither JDM nor USDM) were ever Presidents.

Look at the model designation numbers.

President: JG50 while Q45: G50

President: PGF50 while Cima/Q45: F50

The JG50 was still the President when the FY33 was the Cima.

Van Den Plas is just a trim level on the XJ model. Body parts the same.

[elwesso]

As a general rule of thumb, as time goes on, cars get stiffer and stiffer. The Q45 (as it was sold in Japan and the US) was developed in the 80's and debuted in US in 90. When the Y33 Q45 was released in 97, it's chasis was much stiffer (can't recall exact numbers, but over 100% wouldn't suprise me). There is not much chance that the G50 Q out handles the newer, shorter wheel base Y33 Q. Shorter wheel base is better for handling, while longer wheel base is better for straight line stability.

IM sorry to beat a dead horse, but the Y33 chassis debuted in 1993, and the G50 in 1989, thereby making it 4 years newer...

but whatever, just wanted to point that out.... The G50 is definitely easier to make it handle good, unless you have JDM connections.

Talk about semantics.

The Q45 is the president, just like the Jaguar XJ is the vanden plas.

Numbers aside they are identical, except for stretched wheelbases and more options

Pretty much, except they had different names and the drivers side is onthe other side.....

[97Q45t]

You

I'm not suprised you beat a BMW 528, that's not much of a power house there with only a 2.8 liter engine, you should beat him! [/QUOTE

You would be surprised at how fast the 528 is. I've seen this guy go up against a brand new maxima and win. The handling on the 5 is superb.

That is true. 528i is suprisingly fast for its 2.8 liter I6 but only if it has a manual transmission. The automatic version is slow (more than 8s 0-60). I used to have a '90 525i 2.5 liter 160HP SOHC I6 with manual transmission and it beated the heck out of many sub-3000lbs 140HP 95+ Eclipse, even with 3 other passengers on my 525i.

[Jesda]

President: JG50 while Q45: G50

President: PGF50 while Cima/Q45: F50

The JG50 was still the President when the FY33 was the Cima.

Van Den Plas is just a trim level on the XJ model. Body parts the same.

Ohhh, now I get it.

[350zQ45a]

The vanden plas also has a stretched wheelbase.

XJ is to vanden plas as Q45 is to president

Of course you don't believe the Y33 ever came with an active suspension, so....

Funny they make multiple active suspension controllers for it, and know it's not for the damping system

[JCsQ45]

all you guys i'm sure have some really stout Q's. without a doubt they are truly incredible. got a quick question though, is there anyone else out here besides myself that enjoy destroying the mustangs?

[elwesso]

all you guys i'm sure have some really stout Q's. without a doubt they are truly incredible. got a quick question though, is there anyone else out here besides myself that enjoy destroying the mustangs?

[rsiwicki]

is there anyone else out here besides myself that enjoy destroying the mustangs?

Ohh yeah.....I could cover my entire car with Mustang kill stamps. Nothing is better than sitting back with car in drive while the dude in the Mustang is shifting the crap out of his car barking the tires at just to keep up with me and with me running the 1/4 mile in 14.25@99 there is little chance from 60+mph.
Modified by rsiwicki at 12:44 PM 6/22/2005

[redmanfx]

all you guys i'm sure have some really stout Q's. without a doubt they are truly incredible. got a quick question though, is there anyone else out here besides myself that enjoy destroying the mustangs?

I have not lost to a "stang" since I've had my Q. Even with all the miles mine has on it, my Q won going away everytime. I won't race anymore until my car is finished being reconditioned, but when it is, the first few races will be against all these New 05 "stangs" filling my NC roads.

red

[JCsQ45]

for the sheer enjoyment of all you guys, i had the privlage to spank up on one of those 03 supercharged mustang cobras, we ran from 40 to 160 and at 160 i had him by a little more than a fenders length. gotta say that's about the closest race i've ever had with a mustang. i think the next closest race was when i was misfiring. that was against a 5.0. not much competition there.