WRX's are fast.. PLEASE EXPLAIN

[k6kicker]

nissan really needs the "S-bodies" :evil grin: back in the lineup..i think the vq30(not 3.5) would work wonders and would then allow the frontier and xterra's to start picking up on the vq and finally allow the vg to die with some dignity left

[k6kicker]

300sx...that has a ring to it

[SoCalS14]

I think Nissan responded well with the reintro of the Z....

[SoCalS14]

How do you guys feel about a stock redtop against a stock WRX (non-STI)??? I sure would like to bury those guys in their Dads Subaru...

[Onizuka]

They actually have a manual RWD QR25DE now, its going to be in the new base model nissan pickups. It would be sweet if they made a cheap RWD coupe based on that motor.

[C-Kwik]

Don't you mean to say that the WRX is making more of its torque at a lower RPM? How would making its torque at a higher RPM (later in the power curve) give it an advantage. Wouldn't that give it a disadvantage? All things being equal, more power sooner is always better. I think that's what you're saying since you mentioned the area under the curve. That's the real measure of power...other than taking it to the track. Peak numbers don't tell an accurate story. Just like audio equipment. Peak ratings are worthless. RMS is what its all about.

While this thread was resurrected, I didn't see this response to my post back then. But to answer this, on any race car, you want to maximize torque to the ground at all times. When racing you tend to stay at higher revs. So maximizing torque at higher revs will provide the best results. Consequently, increasing torque at a certain RPM will raise the HP at that RPM. And a certain amount of torque will make more HP at a higher RPM than it will at a lower RPM(i.e. 100 lb-ft of torque at 3000 RPM is 57 HP. 100 lb-ft of torque at 6000 RPM is 114 HP. So making more torque at higher RPM will yield the best results in a race car. If you need to tow or haul something heavy, then low end torque is typically better as it's hard to get any car moving, especially a heavy one, if you have only a small amount of torque.

[Cold_Zero]

How do you guys feel about a stock redtop against a stock WRX (non-STI)??? I sure would like to bury those guys in their Dads Subaru...

I think a lot will come down to the drivers ability. We really didnt get to line Fred's 240 up against my WRX. Though, my WRX is modded, so its not the best example to use. I would have to think that a SR powered (stock) 240 would be able to beat a stock WRX in a drag race.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but my experience with WRX drivers dont support "those guys in their Dad's Subaru." Most of our club's age ranges from 22-32. Even though Chris is over 40, he races his 2.5 RS and his wife races the WRX. :pface

[creophus]

Zero you really think a stock redtop will beat a WRX in a drag race?? I'm not gonna argue, but I thought it would be the opposite. How much does the WRX weigh? I thought they were about the same and the WRX has the advantage of AWD.

[drifter_for_life06]

geeze, its all the gearing, whats wrong with that, you know what you can do, go toa dealership and test-drive one, see what its like and see if the "times" you sated were correct

[SoCalS14]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but my experience with WRX drivers dont support "those guys in their Dad's Subaru." Most of our club's age ranges from 22-32. Even though Chris is over 40, he races his 2.5 RS and his wife races the WRX. :pface

OK, so maybe they are not driving Dad's Subaru, but I still want to bury them!!! I see them all over the place in Cali!

[marshun]

its all in the awd and transmissionmy friends 2001 prelude has about 230 hp and hits 16.1

the type s makes 220 factory rated at the flywheel.

the rest make 200 factory rated at the flywheel.

i can hit a 14.6 with a stock lude. you friend just cant drive.

[Cold_Zero]

Sorry guys, just got home from work. It is amazing, you become salaried and they want to you work OT.

3085lb for a Sedan with 5sp3140lb for a Sedan with A/T3165lb for a Wagon with 5sp3220lb for a Wagon with A/T

[240dreams]

I think my 240 (almost stock SR) can take a WRX on the highway. I pulled just as hard as my friends 04 WRX in 2nd and 3rd but he was like 2 cars ahead of me b/c of his launch. About 3 weeks after that incident, he didn't have a 3rd gear (transmission died).

[nlzmo400r]

Honda is going down....

Nissan can't get it up....

Mitsu is nowhere to be found....

Mazda is clueless....

Toyota is going for cutness....

SO......

that means Subaru and the WRX is the next "import hot rod" in the eyes of the public.

<== stating his opinion

wow, Nissan can't get up, seen the past few years for nissan, since o2 nissan has skyrocketed. I think the ONLY import company (out of hte ones you've mentioned) that they're behind is Toyota. Nissan is doing amazing.

[nlzmo400r]

the type s makes 220 factory rated at the flywheel.

the rest make 200 factory rated at the flywheel.

i can hit a 14.6 with a stock lude. you friend just cant drive.

14.6 STOCK??!?!?! show me slips......B.S on that one, no way. Ludes (with a good driver) stock with a 5spd and even some R compound tires arent hitting better than low 15s

[Cold_Zero]

wow, Nissan can't get up, seen the past few years for nissan, since o2 nissan has skyrocketed. I think the ONLY import company (out of hte ones you've mentioned) that they're behind is Toyota. Nissan is doing amazing.

Nissan and Mazda have been launching some pretty impressive line ups. Both cant touch Honda and Toyota in sales though. Subaru is currently on fire (IMO) but their sales dont even begin to measure up to any of the other Japanese automakers.

[nlzmo400r]

yes, mazda too is doing well, but id say nissan sales are close to Honda. When i think of top selling cars id be willing to bet the altima/maxima outsell the accord/civic (sentras dont have a shot against civics) spec Vs have to sell just as much as those new crappy Si's, the Z is def selling better than the s2ooo(or so it seems) and the Murano, hel ive seen a few of htose on the road too. And if u want to get into acura/infiniti, Gcoupe/sedan has got to be killing acuras' TL/CL group, which i have to assume are hte main sellers of each. Although infiniti doenst have a car to measure up agains thte RSX, i havent seen an abundance of hte overpriced RSXs on the road

[SmithSR]

The mainstay for the drab car makes are the 4doors.

Accord, Camry, Civic, Corolla.

[Repo Man]

The mainstay for the drab car makes are the 4doors.

Accord, Camry, Civic, Corolla.

:Werd

[creophus]

yes, mazda too is doing well, but id say nissan sales are close to Honda. When i think of top selling cars id be willing to bet the altima/maxima outsell the accord/civic (sentras dont have a shot against civics) spec Vs have to sell just as much as those new crappy Si's, the Z is def selling better than the s2ooo(or so it seems) and the Murano, hel ive seen a few of htose on the road too. And if u want to get into acura/infiniti, Gcoupe/sedan has got to be killing acuras' TL/CL group, which i have to assume are hte main sellers of each. Although infiniti doenst have a car to measure up agains thte RSX, i havent seen an abundance of hte overpriced RSXs on the road

I'll take you up on that bet. I seriously doubt that Nissan has EVER outsold Honda. I don't have numbers to back that up, but you'd be surprised at how people go for Accords and Civics.

[crazy2002mexican]

ive seen evos, wrx, and sti's launch like a bat out of hell. obviously someone has been reading there magazine to much.Not to be a prick or anything but a prelude si?? (didnt know that had that model) Hell import tuner rates a spec V @ 15.5 stock, fully modded with nismo r or s tune (cant remember which) @ 15.0, I bought a spec V for a daily driver back in january. I hit 15.0 @ 90.6 stock *sigh* again some of you need to drop the magazines

[240sxOwner]

I agree with everyone who says its all in the gearing...I have the nismo 4.64 rear gears and i ran a 15.5@88 and a 2.1 60 ft time...I have no lsd...well, i am taking a break from putting in my HLSD as we speak. Obviously my speed wasn't high but i got down the track quick for that speed. I raced a friend's (Zero-S) 240, that was same year(93), both coupes, only mine is SE with HUD. I walked him through 1-2-3 gear and i missed 3rd, then shut down. It is all in the gearing and how you launch the car.

[nlzmo400r]

I'll take you up on that bet. I seriously doubt that Nissan has EVER outsold Honda. I don't have numbers to back that up, but you'd be surprised at how people go for Accords and Civics.

if nissan has ever outsold honda, its been this year (well....o3). I know how well accords and civics sell, but other than those two cars, honda doesnt have much that sells THAT well, the Pilot hasnt sold too well, the Element didnt do much, hte s2k sells well, but i think between sentras and altimas/maximas and teh Z, nissan outsold honda last year, if they didnt , it had to have been REALLY close

[SmithSR]

http://autoweek.com/search/sea...rd=21Nissan is on track to sell about 800,000 units in the United States this year. For the 10 months through October, sales are up 6.2 percent from the same period last year to 663,517

http://autoweek.com/search/sea...rd=22GM's sales were virtually flat at 8.50 million units. Ford's sales were stuck at 6.82 million units, even though it included 650,000 units from new acquisitions Volvo, Aston Martin and Land Rover. Last year, Toyota sold 6.17 million units globally

http://autoweek.com/search/sea...rd=35Honda came within shouting distance of the mark in calendar 2002, hitting sales of nearly 903,000 units. That volume made it a solid No. 2 in Japan to sales leader Toyota Motor Corp. for the third consecutive year.

But for the five months through May, Honda is off 17 percent from a year earlier, and it has surrendered the No. 2 sales spot to the resurgent Nissan Motor Co

"It doesn't excite me too much. DaimlerChrysler is no longer an American company, so to me it's not such a big deal. But I think it's already happened that we're recognized as a bona-fide American player. The old political formula is no longer there."

[SmithSR]

Another quote from Toyota North America tycoon...

"I respect Nissan's boldness in at least they are trying to be different rather than chasing us at every corner. Whether that will be successful or not, well, it's risk-taking."

[schitz240sx]

Have neone ever driven a WRX? My buddy has a 98 2.5 RS. It a quick little car. They have 165 hp. 240's have 155hp. The AWD makes a big differeance.

[corn322]

my dad has a WRX. it's fun as crap to drive.

last year, it froze over here in austin, tx. so what did me and my dad do? we drove it around the block. holy crap that was fun. going around a corner at 7 miles an hour and you just slide through. untill you point the wheels and hit the gas, then you're going a new direction. that was my favorite thing, was even with as little traction there was, how quickly it could still change direction.

of course, we where only going like 10... but still... awd rocks

[cory2081]

ive seen evos, wrx, and sti's launch like a bat out of hell. obviously someone has been reading there magazine to much.Not to be a prick or anything but a prelude si?? (didnt know that had that model) Hell import tuner rates a spec V @ 15.5 stock, fully modded with nismo r or s tune (cant remember which) @ 15.0, I bought a spec V for a daily driver back in january. I hit 15.0 @ 90.6 stock *sigh* again some of you need to drop the magazines

I totally agree. Magazines aren't always right, even with their "professional" driver's.

[nlzmo400r]

Another quote from Toyota North America tycoon...

"I respect Nissan's boldness in at least they are trying to be different rather than chasing us at every corner. Whether that will be successful or not, well, it's risk-taking."

so we were both right somehwat, but Nissan has infact beaten Honda insales atleast ONCE

[drifter_for_life06]

im sure with how popular drifting and the SR and all that good stuff is, Nissan's sale rate will sky-rocket in the next 2-3 years, as honda will fall more and more, except for maybe when the new Fast and Furious comes out