You're getting pretty close to convincing me. I guess IF you knew all the people you know, and they'll do the stuff for free or at cost, and these guys are actually good at what they do, you may be close. But still, $100 for 15 dyno pulls right? When are you going to tune the car? Between pulls? No. It would probably take a day for a professional tuner to tinker with it to get it right.
Like I said before, show me the car that runs 9's reliably for $11k and I'll stand corrected. Until then, I stand...uncorrected. Stop givine me numbers and show me proof. But there is none! It's all heresay, and it's only from you!
Wow. Somebody buy one of these.
Re: (RMiller)
fj20et is done for that much money....that is living proof of that it can be done
Re: (euroboy)
Check out what the guys over at fj20.com are talking about.
In response to "Cost of Worked FJ20ET" this guy says:
I don't know how much a ready-made hi-po engine would be but I know that to rebuild a FJ20DET with forged pistons and other necassary parts such as piston rings, VRS kit, etc and have it balanced and installed is between $6,000 to $7,000 (as a quote) from a reputable Sydney performance workshop.
A turbo can cost anything from $750 for a reco & hi-flowed T3 to $2,500 for a brand new ball bearing GT series turbo.
A front-mount intercooler installed, including all of the pipe-work, can cost anything from $950 to $3,000. This is dependant on materials used, quality of work, and at the top-end how much you're prepared to get ripped off.
You know what? I believe that it can be done for the price you say, but much of it will be done for free, at cost, and by you. Tuning is a big deal, and I don't think you can do it yourself. Do you know that some tuners travel around the country just to tune specific cars? Steve Kan of Gotham Racing does this, he charges about $600 plus the cost of airfare because he's one of the best. I would love to see someone make a stupidly fast, ill-equipped 9 second drag/street car on a 1.8 L motor w/ a novice setup and tune. That'd be sick.
In response to "Cost of Worked FJ20ET" this guy says:
I don't know how much a ready-made hi-po engine would be but I know that to rebuild a FJ20DET with forged pistons and other necassary parts such as piston rings, VRS kit, etc and have it balanced and installed is between $6,000 to $7,000 (as a quote) from a reputable Sydney performance workshop.
A turbo can cost anything from $750 for a reco & hi-flowed T3 to $2,500 for a brand new ball bearing GT series turbo.
A front-mount intercooler installed, including all of the pipe-work, can cost anything from $950 to $3,000. This is dependant on materials used, quality of work, and at the top-end how much you're prepared to get ripped off.
You know what? I believe that it can be done for the price you say, but much of it will be done for free, at cost, and by you. Tuning is a big deal, and I don't think you can do it yourself. Do you know that some tuners travel around the country just to tune specific cars? Steve Kan of Gotham Racing does this, he charges about $600 plus the cost of airfare because he's one of the best. I would love to see someone make a stupidly fast, ill-equipped 9 second drag/street car on a 1.8 L motor w/ a novice setup and tune. That'd be sick.
Re: (RMiller)
'I don't know how much a ready-made hi-po engine would be but I know that to rebuild a FJ20DET with forged pistons and other necassary parts such as piston rings, VRS kit, etc and have it balanced and installed is between $6,000 to $7,000 (as a quote) from a reputable Sydney performance workshop.'
yeah that includes paying some guy 70 bucks an hour to build your engine and i am certain that over 2000 bucks are ONLY in labour costs...
this prices are for ppl who don't have the means, and yes much of the work will be done by me, or done at cost price, but that doesn't matter...What matters is that i can dish out that much and have that car running.
How do you think i have all those connection?I have done favours for them in the past which i haven't charged.....i am in that line of buisness, and i do that as a buisnessand i understand that giving ppl few cuts here and there goes a lot more than being 100 richerthe point isif you go to the shop and tell them to make a 9 sec car out of whatever you have it will be MUCH MUCH MUCH more expensive...but if it were like that i wouldn't be here learning from other guy with more knowledge..I would be a rich snobby kid who can only flash his visa card...That is why i think forums like this make the life a hell lot easierbecause i may haven't experienced something which someone else has, and they share knowledge , and long experience...that is why i put the experience the know how to before cash ANY day...
tomei didn't do exactly science there...they modified a 6 bolt flywheel crank from ca20 and made it into a 8 bolt patters bigger oil passages...rods are ca20 just beefier...I dunno why you guys think it's so hi tech...making it yeah but i mean it's nothing new about it i seen that engine some 3 years back and it was cheaperi guess the demand in ca18det is growing in japan and so are the prices!
yeah that includes paying some guy 70 bucks an hour to build your engine and i am certain that over 2000 bucks are ONLY in labour costs...
this prices are for ppl who don't have the means, and yes much of the work will be done by me, or done at cost price, but that doesn't matter...What matters is that i can dish out that much and have that car running.
How do you think i have all those connection?I have done favours for them in the past which i haven't charged.....i am in that line of buisness, and i do that as a buisnessand i understand that giving ppl few cuts here and there goes a lot more than being 100 richerthe point isif you go to the shop and tell them to make a 9 sec car out of whatever you have it will be MUCH MUCH MUCH more expensive...but if it were like that i wouldn't be here learning from other guy with more knowledge..I would be a rich snobby kid who can only flash his visa card...That is why i think forums like this make the life a hell lot easierbecause i may haven't experienced something which someone else has, and they share knowledge , and long experience...that is why i put the experience the know how to before cash ANY day...
tomei didn't do exactly science there...they modified a 6 bolt flywheel crank from ca20 and made it into a 8 bolt patters bigger oil passages...rods are ca20 just beefier...I dunno why you guys think it's so hi tech...making it yeah but i mean it's nothing new about it i seen that engine some 3 years back and it was cheaperi guess the demand in ca18det is growing in japan and so are the prices!
Re: (euroboy)
The Tomei engine is awesome. If money was no (or little) object I'd get it, but it is, so I'll stick to my $5500 investment, which is good for about 300 whp. I guess if cost:output was linear, I'd be on the right track. Heh.
Re: (RMiller)
actually i never doubted that tomei engine wasn't goodin fact if i had 11K us that i can get that engine instead of paying it as tax money i would...BUT 90% of us don't have that luxury or at least not yet...We work hard for our money and we go to schoolso we have to be creative.....and very very stingy if we have to....we are all in it for the passion we share wether you have this or that...yes tomei makes great engines BUT for 11K and most of my sweat and running here and there i think i can do more damage
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Re: (euroboy)
Hmmm, interesting argument. In a sense both Xero and euroboy have valid points, but I would love to get in on this. Yes, the genesis motor is tad bit expensive, but if you ain't doing it yourself "zip-it". The argument that these motors aren't in big demand is true, so if you want this crispy motor, Tomei knows they'll have your money in hand before they start on it.
It is cheaper to build your own monster because I have one myself. Just as built as the genesis motor for a fraction of the cost. Total cost of my set up to include custom manifolds, injectors, turbocharger, big wastegate, and all the ingredients to make your car giddy-up and go; just over $9,000.00. But to build to the level of the genesis level 4 engine cost me around $4500 minus my own labor.
Euroboy, you put that big turbo on a CA and you better have the ingredients to make it all work. You better also have some patience because you will see lag like no tomorrow and then you'll see boost at 5500rpm which is worthless IMHO. The prices are bit off, but close enough.
Boost ain't cheap, but you can probably build a 9 second CA powerplant less the major dollars.
Dee
It is cheaper to build your own monster because I have one myself. Just as built as the genesis motor for a fraction of the cost. Total cost of my set up to include custom manifolds, injectors, turbocharger, big wastegate, and all the ingredients to make your car giddy-up and go; just over $9,000.00. But to build to the level of the genesis level 4 engine cost me around $4500 minus my own labor.
Euroboy, you put that big turbo on a CA and you better have the ingredients to make it all work. You better also have some patience because you will see lag like no tomorrow and then you'll see boost at 5500rpm which is worthless IMHO. The prices are bit off, but close enough.
Boost ain't cheap, but you can probably build a 9 second CA powerplant less the major dollars.
Dee
Re: (boost_boy)
you absolutely right dee....they need to make their profit PER engine...yes i am aware of the boost situations with that big t04 turboBUT i plan on reving sky high and it will be a pure drag car so i am not worried about streetdriven....but you are right if you can do it yourself then it will go much cheaper
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Or use a dual BB turbo. I dont think 5500 is right. Maybe 4000-4500. I wouldnt build a car to that level of tune with 8.5 cr--id go with 9:1 or higher. If you want it to be drag only, then go with a setup that uses race gas only, big boost high compression, and something cool like a nitrous, and alcohol injection combo. Better have a good ignition for all that stuff too. Point is--
for 11,000 i could do so much more with any motor. its nothing more that a ported and polsihed pistoned, rodded, cammed, 1.8 ca18det. Thats it. DO it for far less yourself, and enjoy the satisfaction.
Still--go with a dual BB on that turbo. Youll be happy you did.
for 11,000 i could do so much more with any motor. its nothing more that a ported and polsihed pistoned, rodded, cammed, 1.8 ca18det. Thats it. DO it for far less yourself, and enjoy the satisfaction.
Still--go with a dual BB on that turbo. Youll be happy you did.
Re: (Projex240)
It won't spool by 4500, let alone 4000. A car that fast would use a turbo that pushes 60+ lbs/min. That's a full T4 turbine housing, to4s-ish compressor housing. 50 trim probably spools by 4000-4500. Who cares, I'd drive a 600 hp ca18 on in rush hour traffic any day. If I can drive my freaking mustang w/ a clutch that feels like pushing against a wall (seriously, it takes like 80 lbs of pressure, or more) I can drive a laggy turbo car. In rush hour traffic I get so fed up w/ pushing it in I just let it idle in 3rd gear and creep along at like 15 mph.