would you (be tempted to) do the same?

[lessthanjakejohn]

Paintball gun doesn't do ****... Youd be pumped full of adrenaline and other psych chemicals and you wouldn't feel ****.

[lessthanjakejohn]

I know what he means about the judicial system tho... Right now i'm in trouble with the law b/c some stupid hick jumped out of his car and tried to fight me.. i drove away and he punched my window, but him & his friend said I hit his arm, so I get a harrasment charge.

no way dude, good luck man

[Phax]

i know i would go nucking futs.. problem is i am a 130lb white boy, I would have gotten beat. Maybe thats why I always carry a knife, but then i'd be in even more trouble. =(

If you're 130 and carry a knife, you're just asking for some big, pissed off guy to take it from you and use it against you. I'd stop carrying that thing if I were you. I'm 5'8" ~150lbs.... I'm not going to be doing much *** kicking any time soon.

On the other hand, you'd be surprised how easy it is to get an unregistered firearm around here...

[Josh]

can't say whether or not I'd do the same thing, but sadly, I think I would because I'm the type to bottle up, and some dumb son of a ***** will open the bottle one day:(

Yeah, me too... And it wont even be something worth it, it'll be over something real small ; ) Although hitting a punching bag is not only good exercise, but I feel it helps releive stress.

But yeah, I definately but the **** out of someone trying to steal my car. I'd just hope they don't have a gun. Unless its a paintball gun, 'cause like lessthanjake said, once the adrenalines pumping, they don't hurt as bad... After the game you carry a few welts though.

[Nathan]

If you're 130 and carry a knife, you're just asking for some big, pissed off guy to take it from you and use it against you.

I think EVERYBODY should carry a good knife, it's just so darned useful.

[Cyberkreig]

If you're 130 and carry a knife, you're just asking for some big, pissed off guy to take it from you and use it against you.

You think i dont know that already? People are just stupid, anyone that knows about self defense knows that you dont ever pull a knife unless you have to. And you dont ever hesitate to use it, hesitate and your oponent will disarm you and will kill you.

[lessthanjakejohn]

I think EVERYBODY should carry a good knife, it's just so darned useful.

eh eh eh I think its time for a new thread :thinker

[JustinStrife]

My family has had alot of experiences all over the country with house break-ins, car break-ins, etc. I'd have beaten the a$$hole into a vegetive state. End of story.

[Rex]

... will open the bottle one day:(

Don't you mean a can, a can of "WhoopA$$"

[AZhitman]

It's good to see that so many of our members are protective of personal property. Stealing someone's crap is just so damn uncool.

Sad situation for everyone involved, and the worst part is, it shouldn't have happened. Victims all the way around.

[JustinStrife]

I don't think I'd be very civil either if I EVER caught someone stealing someone else's property... Oh it'd be on like donky kong biatch!

and I do carry a knife and know a thing or two about how to use it.

Purely self defense of course. Whether it be self defense of my or someone else's property

[Mr1der]

Don't you mean a can, a can of "WhoopA$$"

no, I fear it'd be a can of "oh ****, I'm dead"

anyone talking about shooting people should probably read the book "In The Gravest Extreme" by Massad Ayoob, very very good read, and should be mandatory for those that carry a firearm at all.

[NY94J30]

People should know the laws on defense of self, others, and property. There's alot of misinformation.

Defending yourself or others may warrant the use of deadly force where their is imminent threat to your life or that of another and you cannot flee (in some jursidictions). The system allows you to choose your life (or that of a another) over that of an assailant.

A person can use reasonable force to protect his property. The legal system, however, values the human life over property, and therefore deadly force can never be reasonable in defending material possessions.

If it were otherwise, we as a society would have to decide at what value some property became worthy of the life of another to halt its theft.

So yes you can shoot/stab/beat while fleeing someone trying to steal your property, but you are sure to be prosecuted - and for just cause.

[JustinStrife]

Those that do not value other peoples' property and their hard work and are willing to violate their trust/lives or what have you, do not deserve to get off easy in my book. If I'm going to be prosecuted for defending my or someone elses' lives/property, i'm going to make sure the person who did the injustice never attempts such a thing on someone else again. For that, my actions would not be in vain.

[90Q45blue]

People should know the laws on defense of self, others, and property. There's alot of misinformation.

Defending yourself or others may warrant the use of deadly force where their is imminent threat to your life or that of another and you cannot flee (in some jursidictions). The system allows you to choose your life (or that of a another) over that of an assailant.

A person can use reasonable force to protect his property. The legal system, however, values the human life over property, and therefore deadly force can never be reasonable in defending material possessions.

If it were otherwise, we as a society would have to decide at what value some property became worthy of the life of another to halt its theft.

So yes you can shoot/stab/beat while fleeing someone trying to steal your property, but you are sure to be prosecuted - and for just cause.

This is because our system is Lockean in nature. We have all given up our right to fully protect our property. The government has that duty and it is their duty.

Nick

[BaliLover]

It is not the DUTY of the Govt. to protect you. Check up on it, you have no right to have the police defend you, and should they fail to, you cannot do a thing about it. Its a major part of the argument against handgun bans and anti-gun legislation. Its already been told in court that you have no expectation of protection from the police, so if they don't have to defend you/protect you, and you are in an area where firearms are outlawed, protecting yourself isn't going to be too easy, esp if you're like me an 5'6" 130.

[JustinStrife]

I'm two inches taller and maybe 5lbs heavier balilover. So I'm in a similiar boat. And unfortunetly I haven't brushed up on my hand to hand skills in several years. (need to badly again now that my leg has been healing up good)

[StrangeLove]

I'm 6' 1" 130lbs with years of built up anger... I seriously would not want to be the one that sets me off...

As for weapon, I don't carry any weapons with me... yet... a pipe might do well :rockon

These kids were throwing **** at my car while I was at a stop sign. I couldn't do much other than flip them off and screech my tires in their direction haha

[JustinStrife]

Hey pills... Not that you care, but that's a tasteless signature pic...

[gabossie]

I'm about 5'10" and 140 lb and all I have to say is never underestimate the scrawny guy. I am a very calm person usually, but when something pushes me to far and opens that bottle, I wouldn't want to be the one in the way because I **** things up. It usually ends up being my hand as I choose to punch hard innatimate objects rather than people, but when it has to do with someone or something (my car) being abused in any way, I have no qualms about teaching the assailant a lesson.

[Tino]

I had some good alternative ideas.

If you have collision, grab a 5 point harness w/e it takes armor up your vehicle etc... grab a helmet mouth guard four yourself, handcuff the thief in the passenger seat, get loaded and drive it like you stole it. If your worried about harming others pretend your drunk scare the **** out of him.

Option 2, tie him down to the roof of your vehicle. I've done this before, for fun.

[JohnI3laze]

I carry a Big(the 4 Dcell)red Maglite under my seat, for multiple reasons. 1. its a magLIGHT 2. its not actually "light" at all.. its in fact, heavy. 3. its not sharp or a gun so (theoretically) i won't KILL some unfortunate stupid bastid.

[C-Kwik]

The way I see it, personal property is just that. Nothing more. You should necessrarily take it personal that someone is trying to steal it. Not to say it's ok that they do, but consider, most thieves have no idea whose property it is. It's not like they are targetting you. I believe in the right to defend yourself and your property. But beating someone into submission is taking it overboard. If the intent is to detain them, then they should be only detained. I really don't see a rather hefty 250 pound guy having a hard time detaining a 130 pound guy. If you think it's okay to justify beating someone severly or killing someone for your material possessions, then you are no better than the person trying to damage or steal your possessions. Frankly, you are probably worse. You are potentially taking away something far more valuable than any possession. Think about that.

[NoStickers]

If it ever happened to me I'd kill the guy and no one would ever know.:batman

(I'm just joking....or am I?:D)

[JohnI3laze]

I've always said.."A true friend is someone who would help you get rid of a body"

[JustinStrife]

The way I see it, personal property is just that. Nothing more. You should necessrarily take it personal that someone is trying to steal it. Not to say it's ok that they do, but consider, most thieves have no idea whose property it is. It's not like they are targetting you. I believe in the right to defend yourself and your property. But beating someone into submission is taking it overboard. If the intent is to detain them, then they should be only detained. I really don't see a rather hefty 250 pound guy having a hard time detaining a 130 pound guy. If you think it's okay to justify beating someone severly or killing someone for your material possessions, then you are no better than the person trying to damage or steal your possessions. Frankly, you are probably worse. You are potentially taking away something far more valuable than any possession. Think about that.

The only flaw in your logic C-Kwik, is when you say something more valuable then your possessions, you are assuming that someone who has no regards for anyone else, is more valuable then those possessions. Those that think themselves above everyone else, and go out of their way to hurt others who've never done anything to them, do not deserve, and should not deserve leniency.

Take me for example. I'm a nice guy. It's a major major downfall as well as a good thing to have. I go out of my way to help my friends, and help people that seem like they'd appreciate it. Now compare that to someone who is a prossional car thief. Or someone who just breaks into cars to rip off stereos and gauges. They don't care about you, or how hard you've worked to get the things you enjoy in life. All they care about, is them. They don't want to work honestly for it. And they are taking your hard earned work away from you, leaving you feeling violated.

There are good and evil people in this world, and people who ride the line. The people who feel no remorse for their actions, are less valuable then my truck or my car. I'm sorry, but that's the bottom line.

Now someone who works for a living and helps people rather then hurts, will be worth more then my car without a thought needed. Not one brain cell in my head tells me otherwise.

People maybe equal, until they act.

[MainEvent212]

that's why i need a gun..so if i ever witness someone breaking into my car, i'll call the police, and tell them i'm gonna shoot the SOB in the ankles and knees...and they dont need to get there in any hurry :pface

[JustinStrife]

I've got guns. The problem is the state I live in, only the cops and the criminals can have them where ever they go.

I plan on ending up in a state where the honest people outnumber the criminals in firearms carry...

[Altiman94]

Like Iowa

[JustinStrife]

my criteria...

1) No income Tax2) Low cost of housing3) Not a liberal state4) Can have a Concealed Carryand 5) No visuals on smog(I can work around the other parts)