Why Synthetic in your G35??

[telcoman]

Correction......it is not worth today what I paid for it on 12/31/05.........

[rn79870]

Correction......it is not worth today what I paid for it on 12/31/05.........

Especially when you find out that it was built using recycled metal from dead Fords.

[G35_Rican30]

Telcoman, i'm actually suprised as to when you said you dont consider your car an investment...if its not then what is it??...IMHO i think when i commit 30k+ to a vehicle its both a commitment and investment and why not protect that...now i'm not saying what you are doing is wrong, if you choose to use 87 octane and reg oil then by all means go ahead, but i also think you are short changing yourself as well, you say you spent 35k for your car and i totally agree with your depreciation facts but thats to be expected...ALL cars depreciate some more than others but the case in point is that the G35 can only be compared to a handfull of cars, you get the most out of your dollar with Infiniti and why not get the most out of it, your robbing yourself in MPG by using lower grade of fuel, your losing performance by using lower grade of fuel and thats a fact that i think everybody would agree on...Now for the oil....i'm not saying that i would go 15k before i change oil but i can say that i can go to 5k-7k before i'm concerned about my oil maybe even 10k..now to me thats alot better than 3-3.5k on reg oil...now is syn more expensive...yes...is using prem fuel expensive it can be depending on location but i would say yes but you get what you pay for...you get better protection with syn oil and you get a better burn/performance with prem fuel and i think if you have invested/commited 35k to own your vehicle then why not spend a few extra bucks to make sure you get the best and the most out of your car and to me it wouldnt have made any sense to buy your g35 in the first place if you were going to short change yourself in performance on a car that is based on performance

[rn79870]

... your robbing yourself in MPG by using lower grade of fuel, ...

Actually, the last time we looked at the issue of octane rating that question was brought up. I went to another forum, one about busting myths, (I won't mention another forum name here), and posted that very question. I was quite surprised by their response. They stated that 87 octane fuel contains more energy than 91 octane fuel. They stated that the lower octane fuel would produce greater MPG because of that. (This has nothing to do with E85, etc.)

I haven't heard from them re: my request to test this, but the assumption that lower octane gas produces lesser mileage may not be true.

[telcoman]

Especially when you find out that it was built using recycled metal from dead Fords.

So that explains why I can't get my crapo first $ucken Ford out of my mind.

I'm probably riding in a piece of it every day

Telcoman

[Sentientbydesign]

Telco,

Sorry to say this, but I'm pulling a "Jacko" card on your statement about using API and 87 octane. That statement is unfounded.

Is it ok to use cheap crap in your G? Yeah, sure. Is it advisable? ...*crickets*

I'll admit that 35k miles change intervals are a bit extreme, but Amsoil's mission is to produce fine quality lubricants that keep engine wear extremely low and change intervals infrequent.

We could debate this for 10 pages, but it's not worth it. I respect your position and I believe you respect mine. I would venture to say that synthetic oil, if changed "Correctly"...this means, when the oil has lost some measureable amount of lubricity, not at a certain mileage interval... will keep an engine cleaner and less worn than conventional oil.

I bought that Pennzoil crap for my G as a temporary fix. I'm at around 2000k and I'm getting ready for an oil change because I think that oil is garbage. API or not.

Also!!! Be careful with your Mobil 1. Just because it's synthetic doesn't automatically mean you can wait until 15000 miles to change it. Mobil 1 has an extended life oil. Buy it if you want extended life. Change it every 3k-4k if you buy the regular synthetic and be ready for us Amsoil followers to laugh at you for buying a short life synthetic.

[rn79870]

I'm at around 2000k and I'm getting ready for an oil change because I think that oil is garbage. API or not.

I hope to shout, 2,000,000 miles on an oil change, even syn oil, is too far...

[telcoman]

Telco,

Sorry to say this, but I'm pulling a "Jacko" card on your statement about using API and 87 octane. That statement is unfounded.

Is it ok to use cheap crap in your G? Yeah, sure. Is it advisable? ...*crickets*

I'll admit that 35k miles change intervals are a bit extreme, but Amsoil's mission is to produce fine quality lubricants that keep engine wear extremely low and change intervals infrequent.

We could debate this for 10 pages, but it's not worth it. I respect your position and I believe you respect mine. I would venture to say that synthetic oil, if changed "Correctly"...this means, when the oil has lost some measureable amount of lubricity, not at a certain mileage interval... will keep an engine cleaner and less worn than conventional oil.

I bought that Pennzoil crap for my G as a temporary fix. I'm at around 2000k and I'm getting ready for an oil change because I think that oil is garbage. API or not.

Also!!! Be careful with your Mobil 1. Just because it's synthetic doesn't automatically mean you can wait until 15000 miles to change it. Mobil 1 has an extended life oil. Buy it if you want extended life. Change it every 3k-4k if you buy the regular synthetic and be ready for us Amsoil followers to laugh at you for buying a short life synthetic.

SentientbydesignI think one of the reasons that this site is so popular as compared to some others is we have good debates, along with lots of strong opinions and we have Jacko

I respect everyones opinion. I just a brief search on snopes.comI didn't find anything on oil but while trying to find some urban myths on gasoline, they do mention that oil companies do share gasoline so for those that refuse to buy a particular brand (BP was mentioned recently on another post) you may very well be getting the exact same gasoline at a shell or someother station because it all came from the same delivery truck.

"cheap crap in your G"Sorry Sentient. I enjoy your posts but there is no such thing if you are referring to gasoline. Whether 87, 91,93 Octane it is all the same if your comparing the same octane. If what was being sold was not what was being represented the states department of weights and measure and or the district attorney would be getting involved. Yes its possible to get some water in your gas from low volume stations but it doesn't happen often. No one could stay in business if they had excessive water in their tanks.My point is that it is an unnecessary expense for both synthetic oil and the use of 91 or 93 octane unless one is in competition at the track. Telcoman

[SVTCOBRA]

So that explains why I can't get my crapo first $ucken Ford out of my mind.

I'm probably riding in a piece of it every day

Telcoman

Come on Telcoman! Drive on down here to NC. I'll fix you some eastern style BBQ and we'll take the Cobra for a spin. Let you experience the power of the dark side...... No worries! I do keep a full set of tools in the trunk to ensure we make it back home! Well, it is a FORD....

[SVTCOBRA]

My point is that it is an unnecessary expense for both synthetic oil and the use of 91 or 93 octane unless one is in competition at the track.

telcoman, I don't think some folks are getting that this is your opinion.Or, maybe they are just as passionate about their opinions too. I do respect your opinion even though my opinion differs for various reasons.

Maybe we should move on to who makes the best BBQ and how we all agree it's Eastern Style NC.....

[rn79870]

...If someone could please articulate to me how using conventional oil is cheaper or better than synthetic please do so. I am extremely curious…

Sorry wrems, but I edited the quoted part of your post to shorten it. I think you've possibly missed one major point here. I have a car under factory warranty. I believe the best place to have the oil changed is at the same dealer I am going to look to to handle any warranty work. By following factory recommendations, I will be avoiding any potential problems with warranty coverage in the future.

I do agree with you that changing the oil is something I would rather not do.

[rn79870]

Come on Telcoman! Drive on down here to NC. I'll fix you some eastern style BBQ and we'll take the Cobra for a spin. Let you experience the power of the dark side......

Did your Cobra come with those nitro tabs for placing under unsuspecting passenger's tongues to help with the cardiac arrest they suffer the first time they feel the 4.6 accelerate?Our GT came with a little bottle in the glove box and instructions on how to administer the tabs and revive the passengers.

[SVTCOBRA]

no need, got some rusty jumper cables in the trunk. Thanks for the reminder!

[Sentientbydesign]

Did anybody think about this?

An oil change at the dealer is around $60-$70 (please correct me if I'm wrong).

Over the course of 60k, you'll spend around $1,200-$1,400 on oil changes.

Going the telcoman way, you spend around $240 over the same amount of miles. So the question is: Is that relationship with the dealer worth $1000?

My credit union offered a complete warranty that covered EVERYTHING minus wear items (brakes, tires...etc) for $850. I'd prefer to pay for the extended warranty that covers more than the dealer's powertrain, than pay the extra $150 so the dealer might take care of me later.

[rn79870]

Did anybody think about this?

An oil change at the dealer is around $60-$70 (please correct me if I'm wrong).

Over the course of 60k, you'll spend around $1,200-$1,400 on oil changes.

Going the telcoman way, you spend around $240 over the same amount of miles. So the question is: Is that relationship with the dealer worth $1000?

My credit union offered a complete warranty that covered EVERYTHING minus wear items (brakes, tires...etc) for $850. I'd prefer to pay for the extended warranty that covers more than the dealer's powertrain, than pay the extra $150 so the dealer might take care of me later.

I'd rather pay to have my oil changed. It just ins't the time involved, but the cleanup after the fact and then disposing of the old oil properly. I used to change my own oil, and it was always a messy concern. More power to those who do it though.

[SVTCOBRA]

I do my own oil:1. Like to make sure it's done right. See telcoman's Jiffy Lube vid2. It's more convenient than taking it some place to get it done.3. It's cheaper4. I love beer5. It's cheaper

btw, most any autozone will take your used oil. We also have a recycle center near by.

[smockers83]

You guys pay $60-$70 an oil change at the dealer? No wonder some don't go there. At the dealer I go to, $30 including car wash--most time it's taken, 30 minutes. I don't do my own because I a) don't have the equipment to do so and b) I don't have a garage or a suitable driveway to do so. Sad, I know.

The reason why telcoman doesn't consider his G (or any vehicle) an investment is because he is thinking of assets, and most assets in the long run appreciate. Technically a vehicle is an investment, just an investment in capital. All capital depreciates. To slow down depreciation and to make your capital last longer, you have maintenance costs. If you were to get 200,000 miles out of your G and lets say your G cost $38,000, that right there is $0.19/mile without figuring maintenance. Do you value your miles that much? If so then you should invest in that $38,000 G.

[smockers83]

Back to dino vs synthetic. Nowadays, I believe, manufacturers use materials for their seals so that they don't leak when introduced to synthetics. This was a big concern when synthetics first started becoming big because seals were made of rubber and dino oil helped create the seal with the rubber. So I'm sure in a higher end car like the G, you'd be fine with your seals and synthetic. I remember watching something somewhere where Mobile had a taxi company use synthetic in some new taxis and dino in some new taxis. They ran them as so for a year. The ones with synthetic experienced better performance, better mileage than the ones with dino. At the end of one year, they took the engines apart and examined them. The ones running dino had deposits all over and looked nasty. The ones running synthetic still looked brand spankin new. They could even still see the part numbers engraved in the parts, whereas the ones with dino oil, they had been worn off.

[telcoman]

Come on Telcoman! Drive on down here to NC. I'll fix you some eastern style BBQ and we'll take the Cobra for a spin. Let you experience the power of the dark side...... No worries! I do keep a full set of tools in the trunk to ensure we make it back home! Well, it is a FORD....

Funny you mention BBQ. On our last trip back from Florida we stopped overnight in Lumberton, NC. We ended up having dinner at BlueWater or Blackwater grill. I can't remember the exact name but the ribs were outstanding .Who would have figured a decent place to eat in NC And yes I would probably enjoy the ride in a Cobra. I could also show you how great my G runs on regular 87 octane and dino oil

Telcoman

[Sentientbydesign]

If I remember correctly, most of the better synthetics have additives to keep the seals from shrinking.

I read a good deal of the Oil bible eBook and the author seemed extremely well informed.

If the oil change only cost $30 at the dealer including a car wash, I'd consider it. The only problem is that I'd want a synthetic oil change and then they'd charge me the $40 in "parts" + labor so I'd end up paying $60-$70

[Jacko3]

Telcoman:

Use whatever works for you. I don't see anything wrong with using 87 octane and dino oil so long as you don't flog your car like i flog mine. We concluded on another ralted topic on octane rating that 87 octane does work for the G-35 coupe, so long as it is driven normally as an everyday driver. In fact, the G-35 engine was built with dino oil in mind, based on what I gathered from my dealership. However, the dealerships treat the G-35 as a sports car, and are thus more inclined to compell their customers to go synthetic.

However, I do beleive Infiniti is well aware that there will be dimwits like me who can't seem to get their lead foot off the pedal, and who will make the car beg for mercy, each passing day. Please, don't be like me. This is why I need synthetic and 93 octane gas to make up for my madness.

[Sentientbydesign]

I still find that funny. I've heard on numerous occasions that Nissan recommends using conventional oil.

I don't get it. We're talking about a lubricant that is designed for lubrication vs one that they accidentally stumbled upon and decided to break down and then reassemble into some makeshift lubricant. *shakes head*

Anyways. I'm going to go start another thread. Anyone care to join me?

[telcoman]

I still find that funny. I've heard on numerous occasions that Nissan recommends using conventional oil.

I don't get it. We're talking about a lubricant that is designed for lubrication vs one that they accidentally stumbled upon and decided to break down and then reassemble into some makeshift lubricant. *shakes head*

Anyways. I'm going to go start another thread. Anyone care to join me?

Sure! I'll join you

[SVTCOBRA]

Start one up on which octane is best to use!

[ORL240]

An oil pan in a vehicle that had its oil changed every 3.5k miles is going to look immaculate compared to another vehicle that had its oil changed every 15k miles ...

and the fact that synthetic was used is not going to matter ... beg to differ

Do not assume that by using synthetic oil you can go 15k miles between oil changes. That is not good for your vehicle ... - please dont not even w/ ams

Telcoman

[TeflonG35]

Pepboys has a sale. 5 qts. of mobile 1 synthetic with a mobile 1 oil filter and the actual oil change for only $39.99. I'm sold.

[telcoman]

Pepboys has a sale. 5 qts. of mobile 1 synthetic with a mobile 1 oil filter and the actual oil change for only $39.99. I'm sold.

I wish I was as rich as TeflonG35



Just prior to my recent drive to Florida I changed my oil and changed it again yesterday after 3200 miles in just two weeks. Sorry guys, no one will ever convince me that using synthetic at 6 bucks a quart is going to provide any benefit to my engine vs changing oil every 3k miles using dino oil. I can't afford to pay the dealer $40 nor do I have the time to make the 50 mi round trip. Much easier to do myself on a nice sunny day. With Howard Stern on my garage speakers while I'm working, it keeps the wife away from asking for other chores. It could take me two hours if she got other chores on her mind:uhhuh

Telcoman

[rn79870]

Pepboys has a sale. 5 qts. of mobile 1 synthetic with a mobile 1 oil filter and the actual oil change for only $39.99. I'm sold.

That's just 4 dollars less than Infinifi charged me to change my oil, inspect 27 items on my car, add fluids where necessary, adjust the air pressure in the tires, and hand wash my car, including cleaning the windows and interior. The whole time I did nothing more strenuous than looked at hew G's and M's. (and pepboys didn't get near my G so I feel safe!)

[tollboothwilley]

I just want to know if you have ever tried to use synthetic oil TELCO

[telcoman]

I just want to know if you have ever tried to use synthetic oil TELCO

NO

I change oil every 3k-3.5k miles so why would I waste the money?

For someone engaged in competition It might make sense but not for me.