Why real "car people" don't care what you think of their car

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That thread title used the entire character limit.

"Car guy*" is a term that can hold a lot of different meanings. I know a lot of different people who label themselves "car guys" and there's a pretty big range of variation in what that means. Some of them have restored classics, some have rebuilt engines, some hate driving and love wrenching, some hate wrenching and love driving, others love both, and plenty of them couldn't tell an EGR from an LSD (or even LSD from an LSD...). Lots of different kinds of car people out there.

But, if you ask me, there are only two types of people who call him or herself a "car person". And they're separated by a major distinction.
The first is people who LOVE CARS. Whether it's driving, wrenching, looking, talking, or anything else in regards to cars.
The second is people who love THEIR car. They love the car they bought and own and put their time and money into.

And because "car guy" is generally a self-applied title, it's hard to tell them apart.
Except it's not hard at all.

And it's the first group, the ones who just love cars, who I consider the "real" car people. Maybe vehicles in general. Maybe they're bike guys or plane guys or even train guys. But they're the ones here for the love of the hobby. And it's what makes them different from the second group that makes our hobby such a great one. Automotive enthusiast communities are huge, passionate, and often very welcoming and friendly and even loyal. It's a hobby that traverses a lot of common divisions, be they cultural, gender, race, or even physical ability. When you know someone else is a "car guy," it's easy to find a common ground and talk cars--or anything else. Whether it's Chip Foose leaning over the barrier at the live SEMA filming of an Overhaulin' episode, or your neighbor who just finished rebuilding his TR7, or your other neighbor who traded his Corvette for an Accord but still loves to wrench. We can spot each-other in a crowd and enjoy shooting the breeze about our love of cars. ALL cars. All things automotive.

And that's the key. I'm a car guy, and I don't care what anyone else thinks of my car. Don't misunderstand: I love to hear "oh, man, I love those things!" or other compliments about my car. As a car guy, I consider my car an extension of myself (even an expression of my personality). So a compliment to my car is a complement to me, at least in my perception. But that's not the PURPOSE. That's not why I do it. If you think the LS is a mess of Americanized euro-weirdness, that's great. I didn't buy my LS8 for anyone but me. I bought it because I love cars, and specifically I love DOHC V8-powered RWD luxury sport sedans. And if you think my car's a joke, we can still talk cars. Because the LS8 isn't the only car ever made. And that goes for your Passat, or your goofy-a** Volvo, or your Accord, or that Hyundai Accent you bought to commute in that turned out pretty enjoyable. Or any car. We don't have to like each-other's cars. We love CARS. Not THE cars. The hobby. The experience.

And it's at this point that we come to the 2nd group. Where our "Real Car Guys" are inclusive and supportive, our second group is exclusive and judgemental.
These are the guys who are NOT in it for the hobby. They're not in it for the camaraderie. They are in it for the praise. They want you to love THEIR car. They want you to tell them that their Golf makes you hot and sweaty and that you think they're awesome because they drive that car. As for your car, who cares? We're all here to talk about their car.
When these guys ask "what do you think of my car" they don't want a frank discussion about how Ford's Fisher Price school of interior design isn't exactly appealing. They want a compliment. They want you to tell them it's amazing and unique and creative and great. And in most cases it won't be any of those things because they picked that car and that style and those tail lights and wheels and that "stance" specifically because it has already proven popular, so it's a risk-free compliment factory.
And if you don't like their car, they will not want to talk about their car (or any car) with you any more. Because you're a hater now. Any compliment of their car is a compliment of them, and any insult the same. They aren't interested in talking cars. They're interested in talking about how great their car is.
And the reason I don't consider these people "real car guys" is that all of this really has nothing to do with cars. Cars (their car) are the medium by which they achieve their narcissism. For others it's some other means. But the car was never the point with these guys. The car was the means to the real end: the need for validation.

Real car guys don't give a damn what you think of THEIR car. They didn't buy their car for you, or anyone else except their own self. Real car guys might use their car as a way to kick off a conversation about cars (ALL cars). But they don't care what you think. If it's not your style, it doesn't matter to them. And it's not that your opinion doesn't matter. Rather, it simply isn't the point. You have your car; they have theirs. The point is not THE cars. The point is cars.

Thanks for being real car guys. Real car guys (and girls!) are what makes the hobby fun. Real car guys are the reason things like NICO exist. Real car guys are the reason a few interesting cars in a parking lot can turn into a mini "meet" and an afternoon of bs'ing with random people. Some real car guys don't even know they are. I saw a fairly well-kept Cressida in a parking lot the other day as I was throwing groceries in my trunk. A girl approached and unlocked the door, and I said "Hey, nice Cressida." She looked kind of taken aback and pleased and told me "Thanks! I love my car. My dad wants me to get a new one but I can't find anything I like as much without spending a ton." We talked about why the Cressida is so enjoyable for a bit, and then left.
One of my employees parked her 2nd gen Mazda 6 next to me a couple days ago, and I mentioned that I'm pretty fond of Mazda 6es. She asked me if I wanted to take it for a drive, and when I refused (I'm even more picky about driving other peoples' cars than I am about letting other people drive mine) she insisted that I go for a ride while she showed me everything she likes about it.
Another of my employees just bought a 5th gen Passat, and he began a conversation one day with "you're going to hate my new car." And I don't hate it (not fond of it). It's a sludge-free V6, so I can't make too much fun of it. But it sure is a good conversation piece for both of us.

I love my car. It's NOT unique, not customized or "personalized" (unless you count the home depot brass HVAC bypass valve in the heater core coolant line) and it's certainly not particularly interesting in the grand scheme of automotive things. I don't really care if you love my car (although...come on...230 ft-lb @ 2000rpm... :naughty:) or even if you hate it. What I do care about is talking cars with car people.

*Please excuse the use of "guy". It's used here in its gender-neutral form, since it works better as a generic plural than "women," "girls," or "men."


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I've decided that I hate all of the cars that mainstream women tend to buy. As more young ladies take on their own car loans and pick out their own vehicles, sales of bland crossovers are soaring. They're drawn to these soulless crapboxes because they ride high and have heated seats -- THAT'S IT. The world-changing machine known as the automobile is reduced to a toasty high chair.

I must be completely out of touch with mainstream America.

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this post could be used on a certain well known Subaru forum that I recently joined....just saying.

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Yeah, my car looks stock. What of it?


The bros with the Subarus don't get it.

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no, they are all about Subaru and that is it. And the bickering amongst them is ridiculous .

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FB post from before I quit drinking:

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Cousin Who Is Totally Into His Street Car: How can you say youre not a car guy with all the racing you do?

Me: Simple. When I was a kid, I didnt give a crap about sewing together basketballs or putting a blowoff valve on my reebok pump, but I loved to shoot the rock.

CWITIHSC: So how did you spec out your Corvettes racing parts?

Me: Oh, I paid someone with enough jackets to clothe a homeless shelter to make those decisions for me.

CWITIHSC: Jackets?

Me: A measurement of success.

CWITIHSC: How many jackets do you have?

Me: Uh... I have a fleece?

CWITIHSC: That you got for racing??

Me: Um... I got it for drinking beer really good.

CWITIHSC: So you won a drinking contest?

Me: Oh there was NO contest!


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Some people pride themselves on their car that "has never seen rain". That's cute. They'll spend thousands on performance parts only to have the car sit dormant in a parking lot for a car show. When we sit in a parking lot next to our cars, its called "grid". Their idea of "Sunday driving" is taking the top down, putting on their leather driving gloves and putt-putting around. When we drive on Sundays, its called "Day 2". Your car is the damned T-Rex from Jurassic Park, "it doesn't want to be fed, it wants to hunt," but no, tell me more about your favorite tire shine or Meguiar's wax, we're still listening as we bolt up our A6's and get ready to run.

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Not a car guy in the least here, they're just a necessary evil for racing. I "get" the car guy thing, but it's not for me. I'm too pragmatic to be a car guy, I need an endgame for doing tons of work and spending lots of money.

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Jesda wrote:They're drawn to these soulless crapboxes because they ride high and have heated seats -- THAT'S IT. .
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:frown:

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Jesda wrote:I've decided that I hate all of the cars that mainstream women tend to buy. As more young ladies take on their own car loans and pick out their own vehicles, sales of bland crossovers are soaring. They're drawn to these soulless crapboxes because they ride high and have heated seats -- THAT'S IT. The world-changing machine known as the automobile is reduced to a toasty high chair.

I must be completely out of touch with mainstream America.
So you must hate the following as they represent the 10 vehicles with the highest percentage of women buyers (according to autoguide.com).

10. Jeep Compass 52.7%
10. NISSAN JUKE 52.7% tie
8. Toyota Rav4 53%
7. Honda CR-V 53.4%
6. Hyundai Tuscan 54%
5. Toyota Matrix 54.1%
4. VW Beetle 54.6%
3. VW Eos 56.4%
2. NISSAN ROGUE 56.9%
1. Volvo S40 57.9%

Nissan should be proud, they scored 2 In the top 10.

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What did I say about mainstream America

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Okay, the Matrix is fun with the manual and GT engine.

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Unless you are making the payments on it, shut your trap. I'll reciprocate. I got all sorts of hate on the pink Skyline, but it really sucked when there would lose to the "gay" car.

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Honestly I think the people that own the cars can give them a worse stigma than the car themselves... Case in point is the BMW 3 series, particularly the M3... I like the M3 on paper, but I don't think I could bring myself to be lumped into that category.

I've read a little bit on the Subaru and Evo forums, and that's comedy gold the bickering that goes on there.. It's amazing the culture differences between different niche brands...

Personally, I love learning about different vehicles and their particular nuances.. That probably is more interesting to me then what brand or whatever... I also appreciate someone who can accept a vehicle for what it is, rather than trying to justify why it's god's gift to the car world.

In all honesty, I find myself a lot more numb to cars than I used to be... I simply don't care as much, especially because everything nowadays is so bland... There's a handful of cars I'd consider "special", but not a whole lot.

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I think the greatest threat to "car people" is a fear of change and innovation. People used to flat heads criticized OHV. Detroit OHV V8 guys scoffed at OHC 4 cylinder imports. People used to carburetors denigrated fuel injection. While some people think that you can't work on cars now, reading a couple of error codes and few clicks on a laptop can get you farther now than a full day of trial and error, tweaking and adjusting with screwdrivers used to. And with variable valve timing, direct injection and turbos, the potential only expands.

I remember as a kid in the Mid-80's dreaming about cars like the 280ZX, Corvette, Porsche 911, Ferrari 308.... a current FWD, 4 door, CVT V6 Altima is quicker than any of them. All while meeting fuel economy, emissions and safety standards considered impossible back in the 80's. And there is potential to get even more out of new cars. The whole "hot rod" phenomenon originated with people taking old family cars and making them fast through ingenuity-- the decrease in people supping up their cars now is likely due to so many people clinging to the superficial of a past era, while losing that original spirit.

Racing regulations have also stifled innovation and have made many race series irrelevant to the cars on the road, all while often associating racing with old tech. FWD Millers were winning the Indy 500 before they were banned. AWD is banned in many racing series. NASCAR still has live axels and is just now allowing fuel injection. Williams Renault CVT's were poised to dominate F1 before they were banned...

Despite it being a constant whipping boy around the blogs, I personally would love to see people trying to get more performance out of their CVT's (adding coolers, reprogramming to peak horsepower when the pedal is floored, etc.). I don't care if it isn't "cool". Perhaps the greatest potential is with low-torque/high revving and turbo cars, despite CVTs being mostly applied to long-stroke engines for efficiency. And a two belt CVT like the DAF applied to modern sealed mechanicals with electronic control could offer the ultimate in torque vectoring. But ever since the Williams F1 car was banned a couple of decades ago, it seems performance development has stopped.
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I think a lot of us were originally attracted to Nissan because they didn't seem tied to convention and were a bit unexpected, ticking off traditionalists. A 1600 cc Japanese economy car was an unlikely choice to beat Alfa, BMW, and Porsche in the 70's. Those 300ZX GTP cars were not expected to win until they started dominating. A current GT-R seems to defy physics. If you look at some of their newer race cars, there is still that spirit of defying expectation.

I just hope that people don't get so tied to the past that they sit around all grumpy, waiting for the cars of their youth to return until they become empty nesters and have retro cars targeted to them (e.g., Camaro, Challenger, etc.). But regardless of what people drive, there is still potential to learn from it and get more from it. Acting exclusionary just dramatically limits the amount of people who can participate. A real "car person" should be into the technology in all kinds of cars, old and new, but always trying to be making them better.

...And I have no problem with women liking certain cars. Perhaps the most pure sports car around became market viable because enough women found the Miata "cute."

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I have an easier way classify your groupings.

Group 1 (enthusiast) - people who like Miatas, wether they will ever own one themselves or not.

Group 2 (bros) - people that dislike Miatas because of homophobic misconceptions

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alphapig wrote:I have an easier way classify your groupings.

Group 1 (enthusiast) - people who like Miatas, wether they will ever own one themselves or not.

Group 2 (bros) - people that dislike Miatas because of homophobic misconceptions
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lne937s wrote:Racing regulations have also stifled innovation and have made many race series irrelevant to the cars on the road, all while often associating racing with old tech. FWD Millers were winning the Indy 500 before they were banned. AWD is banned in many racing series. NASCAR still has live axels and is just now allowing fuel injection. Williams Renault CVT's were poised to dominate F1 before they were banned...
I agree. F1s lack of variation annoys me. It infurates me that they only have one tire manufacturer.
This is why I prefer multi-class race series like ALMS/USCC. I still enjoy watching F1, but not nearly as much.\
alphapig wrote:I have an easier way classify your groupings.

Group 1 (enthusiast) - people who like Miatas, wether they will ever own one themselves or not.

Group 2 (bros) - people that dislike Miatas because of homophobic misconceptions
This.

Except that I know at least as many women who consider the Miata too "girly" or "cute" for a man to drive, too. :tisk:

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Even my wife calls mine a chick car. She finds it hilarious that I ended up with a Miata and her super girly younger sister bought a tricked out red G35 Coupe.

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My 60hp minitruck is more intimidating than most Skylines around here. I would rock a Miata like berzerker, top down, full cage looking like jungle gym and a pissed of peripheral port 13B under the hood.

Buurrap buurrap buurrap!

"Yeah, it has a bad muffler and a vacuum leak. Wanna race?' :naughty:

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^Things like that remind me of why I need another rotary in my life.

When I had my FC Turbo II, I pulled into the back parking lot at my old auto parts store after lunch one day. One of the girls I worked with was standing back there smoking and started laughing at it. "That thing sounds like a weed eater! I bet it won't even spin the tires!"

I left two black marks from the back of the parking lot all the way to the front. Not a soul there made fun of that car again. ;)

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alphapig wrote:I have an easier way classify your groupings.

Group 1 (enthusiast) - people who like Miatas, wether they will ever own one themselves or not.

Group 2 (bros) - people that dislike Miatas because of homophobic misconceptions
Believe it or not, this metric is surprisingly accurate.

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Ghost just got a new intercooler. :woot:

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Since we have been talking about "chick" cars and it is Mother's Day, I guess we should say thanks to all the moms out there buying sporty cars like the Miata. Because of people like you buying these cars in mass and driving them responsibly, a lot of these cars enter the used market in good shape and insurance rates are kept in check...

But in all seriousness, it would be hard to successfully market an sporty affordable car while ignoring women, who make up the majority of new car registrations. The key to long-term viability seems to be making a car that either appeals to women directly (Miata, Mini, Juke) or is based on a car that appeals to women (WRX, GTI). In addition, "lifestyle" buyers tend to trade in their cars after the warranty runs out, which leads to a healthy supply of used vehicles. Boy racer types might talk a big, overcompensating game, but there just aren't enough of them that can afford the new cars, even with their parents' help. To successfully sell the iDX NISMO, Nissan will have to sell a bunch of iDX Freeflows.

To think of it another way, despite critical praise, combined sales of the Toyobaru twins have totaled approximately 1/4th of the Juke so far this year in the US. However, the 86 sells better in Japan than it does in the US. But it is equipped and market differently there. Despite still having racing activities and even offering a stripper version, emphasis is clearly placed on the high-spec, Limited trim with an automatic and a colorful interior. And, if you went to the Tokyo show and saw the convertible concept version on Toyota's moving platform stage, it is pretty clear they are going after a different target.
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"Enthusiasts" would be encouraged by this sales success. "Bros" would feel it threatens their masculinity.

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Chick Car #1: The Daily

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Chick Car #2: The Toy Hauler

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Chick Car #3: Hotness

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I love cars. I love to look at them, I love to drive them, I love to wrench on them. Call me what you want. I've never fit into anyone's mold anyway. ;)

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nissangirl74 wrote:Chick Car #3: Hotness

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You really need to bring that out to Deal's Gap and line it up alongside Gordon and Herman's old school rides.

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Would love to. One of these days...

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The vast, overwhelming majority of Miatas are shopped by, driven by, and registered to men.

The Pontiac Solstice appealed to women though. I was at a Ford dealer in North Carolina picking up a Lexus a couple years ago. I watched a woman sigh in agony as she reluctantly traded in her red Pontiac for a Ford crossover of some sort. She absolutely adored her manual Solstice.

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Jesda wrote:The vast, overwhelming majority of Miatas are shopped by, driven by, and registered to men. EXCEPT JESDA
There FTFY :gapteeth:

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I still maintain that I could happily, with a smile on my face, DD a pink NA Miata without the slightest reservation. I'd be having WAY too much fun to spare any thought for what anyone else might think.

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MoD, do you even fit in a Miata? It seems like it pushes the limits for Greg and I remember him saying you were taller than him.

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I'd do try my damnedest to fit. I've never actually been in an NA, though. I fit in top-down S2ks and NCs just fine, though. Well, with the exception of my left knee in the NC...it works, but it's not ideal.


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