Why do Hondas try?

[87supramart]

So i was at the drift event last weekend at Kilkare in Ohio, and it was a funny day. I ended up showing up too early for the competition, but the practice was really good. Untill i noticed amoung the 240's and Carollas that there was a done up drift Civic. It had alot of money into it, like rims, stripped interior, cage, engine work, head/tail lights etc......well untill he went out. He decided to hit his e-brake WAY too early, and when he corrected........SMASH!!! right into the wall. I mean head on. His car was beyond totaled. His driver's side was smashed up into the motor. I felt sorry for the kid. U know he was still making payments on the thing. The funny thing was, was that after it happened, some guy told him that he could just weld in a new radiator support and it would be fine. HAHAHA. not when your car is bent like a U. He was wondering if his inshurance would cover it..HAHA! I think it was a shame that he wasted a car that he obviously took alot of time and money building, all to show off his fwd skills. (but he did e-brake pretty well there for a few laps)
Modified by 87supramart at 6:56 AM 5/12/2005

[PalmerWMD]

Fred..

[Joe]

i hate generalizing like this because im a former honda owner from years back, but here is what i can gather.

the people who think their FWD honda can drift are the same people who think its the best car on the planet. its faster, built better, has more HP per liter ( ), and even if its FWD they cant loose to a RWD nissan! their civic is better!

same people who went out and bought body kits, neon undercarridge lights, altezzas and stickers after the fast and furious movies. same exact people. they are doing it for the moment because drifting is "in". im really getting sick of people arguing this on other message boards. a civic cannot drift, ever, as long as its still in the FWD configuration.

a real honda enthuisiast knows its not possble, and laughs just like we do at those people. sucks he totaled his car, expensive lesson learned.

[Flight_240]

Laws of physics won't let Fwd cars drift. There is no way they can Feint Drift. Sure they can power slide on one turn and thats it. I hate seeing that FF Drifter the one sponsored by Falken. Falken is just wasting good tires for that stupid Fool. U guys agree?

[Fenvy]

honda makes great cars, stock or modified

there is nothign wrong with the car but rather, the scene make people do stupid things.

here is an idiot with a s13: http://heatsinkninja.com/s13/drift.avi

don't blame the driver, don't blame the car manufacteur, blame the scene

[masticatingcow]

OH $#!T

Saddest part about that vid is that it started out looking pretty good.

[87supramart]

You summed up the situation well........ I once had a 92 Civic hatch...well untill i cut out a full leingth targa top. And then one day a tree jumped out in front of me while going 80......but it still ran and drove in circles afterwards!

[87supramart]

See.....damn trees. But my 240 is soo much unbelievably better it can't be put into words.

[SHIFTrl240]

actually the civic that was at kilcare wasnt that bad of a car. and what i heard he was doing better at "drifting" than half of the fr cars out there. and yes it is being repaired...

[Dookie]

hondas are a pain in the *** to driftattempted to drift my friends automatic accord, got it sideways on some asphalt, pavement changed to concrete, car over corrected, and almost jumped it over a curb into a ditch. gotta love slamming on brake while shoving it into N and countersteering to save your life and friends car

[sensibleS13driver]

^^^

[Florida240sx]

disagree with your sig.

[87supramart]

Yeah in my first post i said that he did good for a few laps, but he was no where near as good as the 240's, Maybe as good as the Carollas cuz they spun on every lap, but atleast they did donuts.

[gogg]

so what exactly is a carolla?

[masticatingcow]

hondas are a pain in the *** to driftattempted to drift my friends automatic accord, got it sideways on some asphalt, pavement changed to concrete, car over corrected, and almost jumped it over a curb into a ditch. gotta love slamming on brake while shoving it into N and countersteering to save your life and friends car

Don't ever do that again.

disagree with your sig.

+1 for fastback love.

what exactly is a corolla

The USDM Hachi-Roku, at least in the drift scene. Otherwise it's a fuel-efficent people mover with no other performance merits whatsoever.

[MainEvent212]

drifting started w/ FWD cars

[masticatingcow]

drifting started w/ FWD cars

I'm not sure what you mean. Who's to say where drifting "started?" Drifting as it has come to be known started in Japan, though rally drivers around the world had long been using oversteer pretty consistantly. Even in Formula racers "drifted" through corners... so, while it can be argued back and forth whether or not FF cars can actually drift (whatever "drift" gets defined as at that moment in time... LOL), I'm pretty sure drifting, be it the "3-turn" rule the dori dori crowd sticks to, or controlled oversteer (in the case of either rally or circuit racing) did not "begin" with FWD cars.

Unless by FWD you mean "FOUR Wheel Drive" or AWD, in which case, the arguement changes a little. Still, it's difficult to argue what platform drifting "started" on. BUT... the first race cars were solid-axle RWD machines... it's hard to imagine that drivers didn't discover drifting until FWD and then AWD technology came around...

[CaoBoY]

yes, drifting was started in Formula racing, i watched it one night late at night on some show like 'history of formula racing' or somethign like that on speed vision. the engin went from either RR to MR or something like that, just some slight configuration difference, and it made the car WAY more susceptible to oversteering which caused a lot of problems during races I.E. CRASHING, so they started 'power sliding' aka drifting the turn, not all showy like, but more just to keep the cars under control. Anybody have any other input? please correct me if i am wrong, as i only watched it one night, late at night, awhile back.

[ArticDragon192]

disagree with your sig.

[off-topic] Haha, my image has certanly been circulating hasn't it.Fastback love, hahaha. [/off-topic]

[MainEvent212]

look into the SPORT OF DRIFTING (not sliding your car around...because then it could be argued that the first drifters were the first guys to take a horse and buggy over ice)

Back in the 80s, alot of japanese guys would ebrake through turns in civics and stuff. This was the origin of drifting for style so they say.

[spec-u-later]

Amazing how much people claim to know on a subject that has little to be known. Self proclaimed experts I guess.

[MainEvent212]

did you look it up?

then shut the **** up

[masticatingcow]

Amazing how much people claim to know on a subject that has little to be known. Self proclaimed experts I guess.

Everyone has something useful to offer. While I still find it hard to believe that drifting as it has come to the US from Japan started with FWD cars, I really haven't bothered to look it up. (READ: It's not that ****ing important to me...) No one has the authority to criticize another member without explict knowledge contrary to that someone's statement. I have no problem with MainEvent's explanation of his previous statement... I just happen to define "drifting" differently. It's all a matter of semantics.

Much love, MainEvent.

[spec-u-later]

Everyone has something useful to offer. While I still find it hard to believe that drifting as it has come to the US from Japan started with FWD cars, I really haven't bothered to look it up. (READ: It's not that ****ing important to me...) No one has the authority to criticize another member without explict knowledge contrary to that someone's statement. I have no problem with MainEvent's explanation of his previous statement... I just happen to define "drifting" differently. It's all a matter of semantics.

Much love, MainEvent.

I wasn't speaking of him specifically otherwise I would have used a quote to address him like you have for me. I was speaking in general of the thread and the many other thread I have seen like this. You guys can get all loud on the forums all you want but it just turns into another bickering session with supposed facts that are never backed up. You can go ahead and tell me to shut the **** up all you want. Go ahead and look childish but I would never let you say that to my face "MainEvent". I actually agree with you "MainEven" but you had to get sensitive even though I was not speaking directly to you. Oh yeah my dad can beat your dad too.

[CaoBoY]

dont listen to this guy. he doesnt even have a car, and tried to say you cant drift with an open diff, and that ebrakes are never used in drifting. and the quote oh yea my dad can beat ur dad too end quote is pretty gay and childish. quit posting on stuff you dont know about.

[mmatl16]

ok why doesnt everyone shut up and read this

http://www.crutchfieldadvisor....age=2

and

http://www.modified.com/events/pdfs/d_history.pdf

now to all the whining girls about "fwd" and all that other b.s. be quite

[masticatingcow]

I never would've thought to check Crutchfield. LOL. I guess I can safely get my FWD hate back on. LOL, J/K.

Seriously though, this forum is ridiculously over-amped. It's like everyone's testicles decended at once... The rest of NICO is WAY easier going and n00b friendly, and from what I can tell, this forum has the most flaming going on. If you have nothing to contribute, don't post. I am referring directly to you, spec-u-later. Jumping on here and whoring it up by calling someone else out without backing up what you have to say with proof or some semblance of logic is childish.

That said, thanks to mmatl16 to finding some resources for us to go on.

[mmatl16]

no problem

I'll it takes is http://www.google.com

[87supramart]

I can drift underwater, on one foot, without a snorkel, all while playing "smoke on the water" on my guitar!!!!!!! I beat everyone else!!!! (P.S. oh yeah, i was cooking hamburgers while on the 2nd verse of the song while going into a drift in my A-Team Van)

(Drifting was not created, it just happened, and then was labled, and sold as sutch)

(As another change of subject, who also likes the movie Boonedock Saints?.....I do)

[legitshizz]

FF cars can drift. FR cars drift better. AWD cars can drift as well. Anyone that says FF cars can't drift are stupid. Although you pretty much have to live on the ebrake, following the same lines, gettin the same angle and such isn't much of a problem. FF cars rarely have to worry about spinning out, thanks to its staggered weight ratio. Have you seen the Falken Civic Drifter? Tell me thats not good lines and angle, and prove me wrong.

And please, define drifting for us "noobs"