Whos FMIC kit are you running?

[boost_boy]

I do know the bigger of the NPR coolers are excellent units for all performance aspects. And the way they are done around here, they are the perfect intercooler for the S13's frontal configuration. Unless you're testing for performance of an intercooler, it's hard to really tell what's good and what's bad. I can honestly say that my mack truck bar and plate set-up is about as efficient as an ant. My intake temperatures on a normal day of driving is usually around 73 degrees farenheit whereas in the case of the POS SMIC 185 degrees fahrenheit (It really sucks).

Dee

[float_6969]

I said Hybrid.......(the edit button rules)

[NeedCAforS13]

yeah it does:pface

Sean

[iliketocrash]

i'm curious. i don't know much about intercooler piping and i notice that in a lot of setups the hote pipe and the cold pipe usually look like different types of metal to me. Is all the intercooler piping supposed to be aluminum or is part of it supposed to be something else like steel? i'm asking cause i have to get some pipe custom fitted for my intercooler.

[r34 gtr]

yeah, you know it blows when your intake temp is higher than that of your coolant. god i need one...it just freaks my poor car out when those alabama summers roll around. im guessing miami is a bit worse though.

- tim

[PacManVR4]

I think im gonna hold out for an ARC. Leave the truck coolers and Starions to the honda kids, Get the real stuff or fab you a Spearco or Griffen core.

[boost_boy]

Quote »Leave the truck coolers and Starions to the honda kids[/quote] Hey, hey, hey be nice! The honda kids can't have all the cheap cores and besides, I use a customized mack truck core as well;) and it works just fine. Screw the bling-bling and the name, I have to go with what works for me. Unfortunately, I have 2 1990 sentras with CA18DET engines; anyone seen a listing for an intercooler by say blitz or hks for a 1990 sentra? I didn't think so! Creativity and innovation is all I have to help me succeed in my quest.

[USDM_OneVia]

performance of the Greddy over the NPR was like 'night and day' ?

In what way ? please elaborate.Same boost setting ? Did u measure/compare outlet temperatures ? Which size NPR ?

Some dsm guys get a $4xx? group price fromhttp://www.streetimports.com/homepage.htm

size ~24"x12"x3"

The GReddy kit just pulled harder than the NPR.

Same boost setting, stock boost levels. But the GReddy did allow me to run about a pound more through the system. Also, just from a physical comparison, the cold pipe on the GReddy was icy cold after a run, while the NPR was a little warm to the touch. So the GReddy was more efficient in that respect.

Joe

[quest]

cool... I wondered how much of a difference it makes. A nice piece.Aren't those greddy jobs substantially bigger than your NPR ?

On the other intercoolers, I've seen some fast cars with NPRs, starion, etc., intercoolers hanging on the front of 'em.I know of a starion that went 11.8s (no spray) on the stock intercooler with the necks opened up... not bad for a 3000+ pound 4cyl street car.I find it amusing when folks (with much lighter cars too) bash them and they are nowhere close to an 11sec timeslip.On the se-r forum, for instance, some guys outright called it junk. 2 posts down was a thread of another guy asking why the outlet pipe on his newly aquired Forge intercooler was always 'hot', while the starion fmic it replaced was 'cool' after a hard run.

[PacManVR4]

I have ran a starion IC, its not a bad thing but why risk somthing? Have you thought about the heat soak? Trust me the starions dont like boost or long pulls and when you get too hot there thats when you headgasket pops. You also have to think about IC pipe size. Look at the desighn of the core itself, Its awful. Im not bashing it *ALOT* since I have had one but the same car with a starion will be faster with a real intercooler. I have been there, Went from a starion to a bootleg spearco and I picked up almost a half a second in the 1/8 mile and good amount of trap speed. With the Starion i ran 8.8 and with a decent cooler I ran a 8.4 before I even bother to tune it in. it was probley running high 7s before I took it apart so I will never know.

On another note, Why spend money geting all the bells and whistles on you motor and turbo just to choke it with a ghetto IC? I had a link comparing pressure drop from truck cores to real cores and the diffrence was great. Also what did the Starion trap at? Thats a major thing. ETs are for the driver, Trap is to see if hes making any power. Anyway you can go fast on either one but by the time you get done with it the price will be close. I just wish I could use my spearco 221 I have on a shelf that was for my VR4.

[r34 gtr]

why couldnt you? there isnt anything stopping you from custom fitting it. with a little imagination, you can probably make it fit unless its just massive or something..

the starion intercooler my friend has isnt a normal starion intercooler. it has had new end tanks welded on, with larger inlet and outlets and it has had new flanges welded on it so it is much less hassle to fit. it has been pressure tested and polished as well. not a single bent fin on it. for $175-$200 it isnt a bad deal at all. oh and dont worry, my friend isnt dumb enough to bother with all that work to a starion intercooler, he bought it like that, then went with one of those massive custom cores off ebay instead.

- tim

[PacManVR4]

Im just saying they dont like big boost, And when you run 18-20 psi a day like I did on that car they were not happy. Its a good budget/temp thing though.

[r34 gtr]

i was only planning on 15 for the track (or if im late for school) and maybe 12 on the street. i wasnt gonna ask too much of it.

- tim

[float_6969]

Sean - I don't like you very much sometime... Hehehe. But in relation to the thread, for those of you using the NPR units, where are you putting them? I don't see how one of those would fit behind the bumper. I have a freind w/an SR that has one, but it's behind the radiator. It's better than the SMIC, but it still isn't that great. My outlet pipe gets down right cold when I run it. During the fall it would actually get cold enough to build up condensation on it. Kinda cool...

[quest]

u gained 0.5sec by only switching from the starion to the spearco ?

Use something with more mass if you're worried about heat soak.

If you're going the bells & whistles route, you'd be going for the big $$ cores anyhow, but when u see turbo imports boosting their stock motors running junkyard T3s and $80 starion front mounts, into the lo 13s/hi 12s, its a pretty good dollar value - they match, and should work for a ca18. Doesn't have to be the end of your journey but can have fun with it along the way.Substantial difference in price between the 'real' intercoolers and a moded starion unit... same applies to a used t3... then u spend 10times more (greddy fmic/ garret gt) for that next second. lol

[PacManVR4]

There are reasons for this kids, Thats why I chose a HKS BB turbo and not a s15. It matchs my goals. One of my good KA-t freinds has the volvo big front mount and it works okay, for a little bit but even that thing(Its as big as the radiater) cant keep up and hes only pushing a small t3 on it. yes I gained over half a second and the car was alot more fun to drive. I dont think the core was a spearco it was some aftermarket core though. It was smaller and size than the starion too. So what were we talking about again?

[PacManVR4]

BTW, What junkyard turbos would work on a CA? Turbo coupe or svo? No Toyata Supra Ct26/ No. Im fairley sure that thez31 is a t3 flange so it wont work either. I wouldent spend the time on trying to adapt a junkyard turbo on my car. Trust me anyway, My goals are alot higher than most on this car and the reason for not shoosing a stock SR turbo is becouse they just dont make enough power. As for the ICs, Im not gonna spend the time to try and fab somthing ghetto for my car when I cvan by a Greddy for 680 shipped. If your gonna use a used core atleast try to go for an EVO or skyline IC. BTW, I used to be a DSMer and we are known as cheap people.

Heres the moral of the story. Dont buy parts twice. Dont risk your motor-you can make 400 whp on a stock motor so dont risk it. The money you saved on that ic better help you rebuild your motor. And last but not least, Do it once do it right.

Zach

[boost_boy]

Everything that I've ever preached about in relation to this engine is the gospel. That's why I've owned so many and experimented with different things to see what it like and don't like. It don't like being compared to the SR because each has its own merits. SRs in stock form are good for simple-minded boosters who just want the extra pep and step and who really don't care for totally exploiting engines. Very good street power; linear progression, even better than the CA under 4000rpm. Can take cheap upgrades and make good power and is not too bad over-all. the CA very chosy motor, a bit more versatile and likes to be abused as long as the right ingredients are there (engine management, injectors, nice intercooler, and a sweet turbocharger).

I tried the cheapy way with the CA and it cost me pistons like the guy "tru" in another post is looking for. that used to be me about 5 years ago on [email protected] looking for another piston from the Aussie guys. I tried JWT and their equipment and my foot cost me engines (all 4 pistons, done x2). I decided to invest in a standalone engine management and take my chances with what I've learned over the years. So in closing, you want gungu power, you're going to have to open up the wallets to ensure that the power you are able to create don't get disconnected for not paying your power bill. Speed/power costs. Treat it like you would do a utility bill in the fact that it must be paid or else you will be without!;)

Dee

[float_6969]

I :bowdown to Dee

[Drill_Sergeant]

im running an apexi hybrid...stock battery is the way to go...

[r34 gtr]

thats pretty cool. id like to keep my massive can-drive-to-school-on-starter-with-it battery if possible, but i have an ace up my sleeve if intercooler piping gets in the way. (clip came with a freaking tiny battery and a special adapter for it, kept both and the battery holds a charge pretty well. 12.3v after a year aint bad!)

- tim

[quest]

I for one believe there is a middle ground, and its a pretty crowded place. Why r 16Gs so popular ? Folks run their full wt DSM 3300# pigs all the way down to very lo 12s using them and still have an excellent performing daily driver. Hard to beat. There is a uk s13/ca18 that did 12.0s on a 16G.Look at paul_s13 300+ hp junkyard t3 on hacked (modified flange) stock exhaust manifold and chipped nissan ecu.Everybody establishes their own goals. Many times u r just as happy as the next guy who spent 10times what u did. Its all preferencejunkyard intercoolers have a place, just like a t3, 16g, 20g, etc...So does standalones, bb turbos and $800 intercoolers

[float_6969]

I'm taking your Dunce Cap back Quest....

[ca18det_boy]

I have noticed alot of people around here running with motorcycle batteries.....the scary thing is that its working......

[paul_s13]

I need one, Im partial to HKS. What brand, For SR/CA and also for s13,s14, or s15? Im getting readey to buy...

I first used a Saab 9000 turbo IC but changes it for a Pace Products uprated IC suitable for 500bhp, the OE Saab IC is much better than the standard item and is good for about 300bhp and only cost £40 also the pipework is much straighter than the Japanese tuning firms pipework, the Pace IC cost £370 and has very similar dimentions to the OE Saab unit, so it only took 10 minutes to change!

The piccy is the standar Saab ic and Samco supplied me with red and blue pipes..........bastards!

The picture was taken a few years ago and the engine looks a bit scabby!

The IC looks thin but its very tall and has a huge surface area.

[ca18det_boy]

What was involved with changing it??

[GoofyATX240]

I have noticed alot of people around here running with motorcycle batteries.....the scary thing is that its working......

Heh thats what im using a Harely davidson battery lmao.

[iliketocrash]

so this whole motorcycle battery thing... is there compadability issues with alternators and such? for seem reason it just doesn't seem like a motorcycle battery would work properly. i mean if batteries for cars could be made that small then why don't they do it already? then again i've seen some pretty stupid stuff from car manufacturers like side mirros and pontiac grand ams being glued on instead of being screwed on. what car company glues side mirrors on? seriously?

[ca18det_boy]

Apparently there isn't any prob with running those batteries. I have multiple friends who are running them and have been for quite some time. Motorcycles run on 12v systems just like cars. I personally wouldn't do it, but that doesn't mean that it can't be done safely.

[GoofyATX240]

It runs just fine just make sure you get the huge touring bike harley davidson batteries. there not that much smaller or lighter then a car battery. Odyssey makes a battery for cars smaller then my motorcyle battery.