Who will win VR6 vs Hicas

[EckOMaN2k]

OK well two of my friends are gonna go at it soon, because there was some talking going on. Ok here is goes who do you think will win this race, they are gonna race maybe end of this week im sure they are.

But friend has a 1991 5spd s13 Hicas with intake,exhaust,kyb agx shocks,tein springs. Also tune up lsd fluid changed out,spark plugs,an oil change lol. Then my other friend has a 1998 jetta vr6 5spd, it just has a air filter, with neuspeed springs,an corbeau shocks an struts i think. Also he stripped it of **** not much he clams it weighs 2600 but he is fool of ****.

Now i already raced the vr6, in my automatic 1995 240sx an got beat by like 5 car lengths from a roll. But yeah they are gonna race but from a stop.

[downshift]

I love the 240 especially the s13, but i wouldnt sleep on the vw this time.

edit: just did a lil quick research and noticed that the jetta vr6 is FWD.....from a stop my prediction is that the 240 would pull on him...and i also saw that the jetta weighs more, so i think the 240 would be the winner, but the jetta wont be far behind.

just give an update after the race, thanksdisclaimer: if you a racin on the street dont do it, street racin is stupid, and racin should only be done at the track, that was just for those guys who dont condone racin on the street:D

[WAbernethy]

He might be able to take the VR6 off the line and hold him off for the first 1/8 but if it's a long race, he will get owned towards the end. Those things have great top end acceleration.

[fuzion]

Just wondering, why are you comparing an engine to a steering setup?

VR6 is a neat design, V-6 in a 15 degree bank that takes up roughly the same room as a 4 cylinder

W8 = 2 VR-6's with 2 cylinders taken off each side

and the W12 is 2 VR-6's laid out in a funky "W" pattern.. VW is nuts =p

[Asleep Altima]

edit: just did a lil quick research and noticed that the jetta vr6 is FWD.....from a stop my prediction is that the 240 would pull on him...and i also saw that the jetta weighs more, so i think the 240 would be the winner, but the jetta wont be far behind.

hate to burst your bubble, but if you take two similar hp cars and run them against each other, the fwd will take the rwd. its simple drivetrain loss. then past a certain hp point, the rwd can be made to launch better because of the weight shift. its like racing a similarly modded altima against a 240, mod for mod, the altima will take it time after time.

[downshift]

hate to burst your bubble, but if you take two similar hp cars and run them against each other, the fwd will take the rwd. its simple drivetrain loss. then past a certain hp point, the rwd can be made to launch better because of the weight shift. its like racing a similarly modded altima against a 240, mod for mod, the altima will take it time after time.

oh....thanks for the heads up bro

[240SXedUp]

Id go with the VW on this one. I saw one race the other day, they arent that bad

[marshun]

the vw will stomp your friend. my friend has a gti and that thing is one quick little ****. hehe. all they really need is just that chip upgrade and those little bastards are fast.

[Dauer]

hate to burst your bubble, but if you take two similar hp cars and run them against each other, the fwd will take the rwd. its simple drivetrain loss. then past a certain hp point, the rwd can be made to launch better because of the weight shift. its like racing a similarly modded altima against a 240, mod for mod, the altima will take it time after time.

I'm not trying to call you out, Although I'm not sure that is a completely valid statement, or atleast a statemenrt I would bet on. Many dyno charts I've seen in Sport compact car and other mags of front wheel drive cars show similiar and sometimes more drivetain loss than equally powered RWD cars. Fwd cars have all the driveline components as a RWD car save the driveshaft which really doesn't account for much loss. Also, FWD cars layout of a transversely mounted engine and transmission has to make a couple turns to transfer the power to the axles which will also account for more of a loss. If you want an example of a dyno chart go to ka24development.com an click on dyno charts , there is a chart of a civic si vs. a 240sx, 160 hp and 155 hp respectively and the 240 w/ 5 less hp posts bigger numbers. Therefore I personally don't buy that there less drivetrain on FWD cars. I believe the drivetrain loss is more dependent on the efficiency and quality of the components as opposed to the layout.

[Asleep Altima]

tell me you just didnt compare a torque-less honda engine to a torquey ka just now... even with comparable hp numbers, thats not a fair comparison by any means. try 2 ka's with similar power, one in a fwd setup and the other rwd, the rwd will put down less.

[downshift]

Not to get into an argument. But isnt the fact that he compared a civic to a 240 show that the civic would of been at more of a disadvantage bein that its not as torquey as the 240. I do see your point, altima, but your situation is given that both cars are almost exactly alike minus the fwd and rwd. With dauer example, its more of a realistic situation because cars wont always have similar engines in a race. Just my .02

[blackcruzan]

your friend with the 240sx is gonna get owned badly

[Asleep Altima]

Not to get into an argument. But isnt the fact that he compared a civic to a 240 show that the civic would of been at more of a disadvantage bein that its not as torquey as the 240. I do see your point, altima, but your situation is given that both cars are almost exactly alike minus the fwd and rwd. With dauer example, its more of a realistic situation because cars wont always have similar engines in a race. Just my .02

a dyno is hardly a place to determine who would win a race though... ya know? the thing about my argument though, is that its a proven fact.

[downshift]

a dyno is hardly a place to determine who would win a race though... ya know? the thing about my argument though, is that its a proven fact.

whoops, almost forgot that Dauer's situation WAS on a dyno, and not exactly in the street. damn. guess ya got me there bro.

[Asleep Altima]

like you said though, not trying to argue.

[fuzion]

okSTILLWE'RE COMPARING AN ENGINE TO A STEERING SETUP

VR-6 VS HICAS

COME ON PEOPLE... IM NOT INSANE

[Twiztid_S13]

hah ... thats all i got to say .. ohh wait i did race my freinds vr6 on my si and barely won by like 4 feet ... he did have 19 inch rims tho .. but i did have 17's ... was a fun race .. im more then sure a vr6 can take a 240 ... ive driven one and they got some power and torque .. dont know the figures on a vr6 but they can move quick once they get going

[fuzion]

Depends on which VR6 it is..

Like 94 - 00 it was 172hp/174 torque00+ is 200hp/195 torque

2.8 liter 15 degree V-6

[WAbernethy]

okSTILLWE'RE COMPARING AN ENGINE TO A STEERING SETUP

VR-6 VS HICAS

COME ON PEOPLE... IM NOT INSANE

I thought he just mentioned the hicas b/c of the limited slip.

[EckOMaN2k]

I said hicas because it sounds better then s13 i guess. but yeah its a 98 vr6 the one with 170hp or something like that. But they ran before when my friend with s13 had bald tires an wasnt lowred an the vr6 had him by like half car length, it wasnt full race just little pulls here an there.

[S14 Wannabe]

VR6 will win.

[Ceptos]

the vr6 has 172 hp and 177 lbs of torque, and weights 2927 lbs.

an si beat the vr6? couldnt have been stock

my money would be on the vr6. tho it doesnt weight 2600 you can be sure of that.

[Ajax]

I think this could go either way. With the mods on the s13 vs nil mods on the vr6 (though less weight on the vw could seriously alter this argument if its any significant amount). The whole fwd vs rwd argument... here's another thing to consider- rwd is going to have more traction. make sure the s13 uses that. This could easily come out to who knows how to drive their car better.

[marshun]

even if the s13 gets a better launch. the vdub will take'em out by the 3rd gear.

[kyle1911]

Totally depends on if you are doing a straight line drag or through turns.

if he takes that through turns the S13 will win.

[fuzion]

what if they just race in reverse.

[marshun]

what if they just race in reverse.

they should just push the cars instead. that would be a much nicer race

[Asleep Altima]

The whole fwd vs rwd argument... here's another thing to consider- rwd is going to have more traction.

it wasnt about traction. that was an issue we both, im sure, agree on. its the argument about fwd and rwd having the same power at the crank but not at the wheels.

[ruf-jason]

WHO CARES????!!!!, It's more about driver skill and car set up than crank hp or whp.

[Asleep Altima]

not your argument, go troll somewhere else.