Where can I buy a CA18DE TOGA High volume Oilpump cheapest?

[sunny ca18de]

Hi,

I only want to know if someone can get a better offer than 308$ + Shipcost for a CA18DE TOGA High volume Oilpump?

If someone have a link please send.

Thank you

[bentvalves]

for whatever reason, that oil pump has seen poor reviews in this this here forum, by either boost boy or TMS. If the nico search engine worked, Id say do a search but because it is absolute garbage, perhaps others will chime in.

[sunny ca18de]

The search funktion don't shows poor reviews of that, I think they are high performance and better than the stock ones, I only get positive feedback of this before.

[bentvalves]

i was looking into one and was told to stear clear.

[boost_boy]

for whatever reason, that oil pump has seen poor reviews in this this here forum, by either boost boy or TMS. If the nico search engine worked, Id say do a search but because it is absolute garbage, perhaps others will chime in.

You are correct. The TOGA pumps boast the "high volume" oil pump, but one has to ask, how much oil do you need flowing through this little engine? The stock nissan pumps are the ticket and they rarely fail. They are more than enough pressure and volume-wise and purchasing one will allow you to have some cha-ching leftover for something else.

Dee

[float_6969]

The Mazda guys also claim this pump is junk. They did a side-by-side comparison and found little to no difference.

[themadscientist]

You can shim the pump spring if you want more pressure but why do you think you need more?The RBs need a new pump because the sintered gears explode. The CA pump is a pretty tough lil SOB, no worries. Having a crank with a beefy pump drive, something early RBs don't have that Nissan later addressed, helps.

[tommey]

Isnt this pump any good?
I dont care about the voulme s***, i just want a pump that does not explode...
Is it some kind of uprated or billet internals maybe?

[Spawn_CA18]

even 500 bhp ca18det's are using stock oil pump. don't ask for adventures . go on an OEM oil pump.

[tommey]

Of course i know that, but as i said, i want to eliminate the risk of it blowing up. ( yes it happens)

[themadscientist]

No, it doesn't. I've never seen a CA pump take a s***, ever. The CA pump is more than capable of taking anything you can throw at it. If you blew one, you messed up somewhere, it wasn't the OEM pump. If you simply must throw money at the engine at least throw at an actual shortcoming, rods.

[Spawn_CA18]

i didn't ever see blowed up ca18det oil pump . maybe i have role in 10 ca18det rebuilds. none of them had any problem with oil pump .

if you want to eliminate the risk . there is a new product in market. they called it " OIL PRESSURE GAUGE" .

[r34 gtr]

Or if you must, run a dry sump setup or an accusump. Nothing wrong with the stock oil pump.

[tommey]

Accusump wont keep the pump from exploding..
No serius input on this subject?
9000 rpm on a stock pump is not a good idea. i have seen them blow before that.

[r34 gtr]

An accusump won't stop a pump from exploding, true, but it will protect the engine from serious damage due to pump failure.

If you are planning on spending a lot of time at 9000rpm I would suggest you have a custom oil pan made and run a dry sump setup. We have several members on here running well over 700hp on stock oil pumps with no issues, but if you are still worried about it then dry sump is about your only option.

Those TOGA pumps are pretty awful if I remember correctly.

[themadscientist]

Accusump wont keep the pump from exploding..
No serius input on this subject?
9000 rpm on a stock pump is not a good idea. i have seen them blow before that.

9000 rpm isn't good for anything. That short stroke is running away from the flame front in that neighborhood and your rod bolts are taking on the consistency of rubber. I don't know where this silly rumor that CAs like to be wound out like a gixxer came from, but it's BS. Make the power on boost not RPMs.

If this guy can make that power on the stock pump, you should not be popping them.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUA7Gl3B ... ure=fvwrel[/youtube]

[boost_boy]

Accusump wont keep the pump from exploding..
No serius input on this subject?
9000 rpm on a stock pump is not a good idea. i have seen them blow before that.

Everyone here is correct. Why are you worrying about gears exploding on a CA pump? Where are you getting your data from? CA pumps don't explode, but your engine will and not because it was under lubricated, but poorly tuned. And this fictitious 9000rpm thing is crazy with the CA cult. What is this obsession of revving the oil clean out of the bearing journals? Keep knocking on the "Boost Gods" and you may not like what happens when the door finally opens. If you feel you must have your engine sitting in that RPM band, make sure you spend a bunch of money building correctly or you will fail trying . Like TMS says, this engine makes power on efficient boost, fuel and timing curves at specific RPMs, not all out rpms

[float_6969]

And to make this a trifecta of CA18 experience speaking to you, I'll also tell you that that stock oil pump is fine, and you trying to take the CA18 to 9K is going to take A LOT of work, and A LOT of camshaft. And no offense, but if you were in the market of actually building a motor to run out to 9K rpm, you wouldn't be looking for a cheaper price on a "high volume" oil pump.

I will say that the CA18 @ 8K rpm w/the right cams and boost makes for a very fun engine. Give this thing boost, and don't worry about revving to the moon so much. If you do, you'll be glad you did. Trust us on this.

[Spawn_CA18]

And to make this a trifecta of CA18 experience speaking to you, I'll also tell you that that stock oil pump is fine, and you trying to take the CA18 to 9K is going to take A LOT of work, and A LOT of camshaft. And no offense, but if you were in the market of actually building a motor to run out to 9K rpm, you wouldn't be looking for a cheaper price on a "high volume" oil pump.

I will say that the CA18 @ 8K rpm w/the right cams and boost makes for a very fun engine. Give this thing boost, and don't worry about revving to the moon so much. If you do, you'll be glad you did. Trust us on this.

good point for sure .

but if you insist on this pump . just try it . it will be another example for another people who wants to buy " high volume" oil pump over then oem oil pump

[tommey]

Why are you guys talking so much about things i have not asked?
I just wanted to know if this pump was s*** or not, and i havent seen any serious input on that.
Yes the stock pump is fine, but if there is an alternative that is stronger i like going that way.
Thats also part of the reason i have custom rods and pistons with +2mm bigger wrist pins, and why i have my block filled 50% with concrete and why i am making a chromoly flywheel instead of stock cast iron.

[Spawn_CA18]

tommey , all the users in this thread says the same thing .

you are asking " is this toda s***?" , all of users says " YES"

after that you insist about to not use oem pump , so people says " so run on drysump" .

what inputs are you looking for actually?

[tommey]

I want to know what's s*** about it?
For all I know they can be calling it s*** because they didn't see any increase in oil pressure or something..
What's negative about the pump?

[r34 gtr]

Im not supposed to link to other forums, but here are some results of a quick google search.

http://forums.probetalk.com/showthread.php?t=1701186755

http://www.3si.org/forum/f35/toga-high- ... ts-288478/

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=15446

First page of google search on "Toga oil pump." I wouldn't pay 3 times as much for the same pump, if I were you.

Its worth mentioning that if you have an early CA18, Nissan has re-designed the pump gears since then, so the newer OEM pumps are more robust than the old ones.

[r34 gtr]

Oh, and http://www.flyinmiata.com/tech/oil_pump.php

[boost_boy]

I want to know what's s*** about it?
For all I know they can be calling it s*** because they didn't see any increase in oil pressure or something..
What's negative about the pump?

That it's over-priced and not much better than the stock pump. If you're cementing a CA block, then you don't need advice from anyone on this forum. Cementing a block is serious and you are obviously about to go all out with whatever racing you're getting into, so I urge you to try the TOGA pump and let us know how it functioned for you. Oh yeah, before you go boasting about what you got in your motor, I have a fully built motor with $900 rods in it as well as solid lifters just to name a few expensive goodies and see no need for a "TOGA" pump or a cemented block and I've been at this for a very long time. So with the amount of knowledge and experience between the three moderators and members with good experience on this forum, it's not good enough for those that are cementing blocks; especially that of a puny CA18DET (1200whp?) Good luck with whatever application you settle with.

[float_6969]

The whole point everyone here is trying to make is not that the Toga pump is bad. The point that we're trying to make is that the only difference between a Toga pump, and a stock Nissan pump, is the little red stamp they put on it, and the fact that they shim the oil pressure regulator, which you can do to a stock pump. It's not actually a high volume pump. It's false advertising.

Not trying to bash you here, we're trying to help you.

[DALAZ_68]

Its worth mentioning that if you have an early CA18, Nissan has re-designed the pump gears since then, so the newer OEM pumps are more robust than the old ones.

this made me smile since i just got my BNIB CA pump

the fact that my old pump was still running top notch after being 20+ yrs old and a couple of events makes me even more confident about the OEM unit and the fact that its been redesigned since then by the OG makers...

[tommey]

If thats the case then that pump is kind of a fraud...
All i needed to know has been answered now.
Thank you.

[tommey]

Btw, i went dry sump!
6 stage autoverdi should be nice!

[TheMAN]

holy necro batman!
toga != toda guys
just another unknown company trying to sound japanese.... toga is NOT japanese and is some mickey mouse brand/company here in the states.... just like mishimoto is (the word "mishimoto" isn't even japanese!)