Whens The Turbo Coming

[Skim302]

Is there any news about when its going to come out or is it all still in the works. Because I honestly cant wait to be able to see people say "hey look a versa" and my reply is my blow off valve lol

[weems84]

There was a one off custom turbo made for the foxmarketing nissan versa. It was done by ZPI racing. The owner apparently ran off with all the money and alot of back orders. So that company no longer exists. As of now it doesn't look like anything is coming soon.

[Ever Victorious]

At this point, there are no plans for any mass-produced forced-induction system of any kind for the Versa. You will need to make a custom system, which is a task not to be taken lightly.

[Vahagn23]

how come not all Turbos work on all cars? or isnt there a way to get it custom fit?

[Rockhound]

how come not all Turbos work on all cars? or isnt there a way to get it custom fit?

Not to be rude, but that's like saying "how come not all bumpers work on all cars". Just like the distinct dimensions of a car's exterior, the engine is similarly unique from brand to brand, car to car. A Turbo uses an exhaust driven turbine to pressurize the intake air. So all the fittings must be the proper diameter pipe as well as proper length from each engine component.

There's a great way to get one custom fit: money. With enough money, you can certainly find a mechanic wiz to outfit just about anything you need. But when that involves machining one-off parts, you can expect the process to be expensive. Unfortunately not everyone can afford to "pimp" their rides in such a manner.

[lain]

All turbos do work on all cars. Just don't expect your stock engine to last too long, I'm talking days or weeks, if you tune your car maybe months. Or sometimes with a big enough turbo minutes or hours. So is it possible, with cars there is no borders. Anything is possible. Just don't expect a n/a motor to handle a turbo upgrade without tuning or internal upgrades.

I was running a T28 on my ka motor...it lasted 2 weeks strong. I also was so excited about the speed that I pushed my car too much. It was so incredible how fast my car would acceralate. It was really unbelivable. I would rip STI's and EVO's like nothing(i assume they were stock because those cars are fast as it is). I can't even imagine how it feels to be in a 10 or 9 sec car...its really something different.

[Great White Versa]

n/a motor

Please explain.

[Neo Xian Wu]

Naturally Aspirated

[BBISHOPPCM]

Technically, yes, any turbo will work... BUT, it would require heavy fabrication to make it actually mount to the motor, and ECU and fuel pressure regulator/pump modifications to make it work properly. You would also be required to upgrade the internals (pistons, rings, rods, crank, and possibly need stiffer valve springs). Also, if you have a CVT or automatic transmission, simply forget it. Either transmission is INCAPABLE of handling the extra ponies reliably, and swapping an auto/CVT car to a manual (or vise-versa, pun intended,) would require further modifications and component swaps. The ideal transmission in this case would be the 6-speed, but I'm sure even that transmission would crumble under the extra load (over time). After doing all this, you might as well upgrade the suspension to reduce body lean, and wheels/tires to firm up the ride and provide better control. Sure, anything can be torbocharged, but is it really worth it? (That's up to you to decide).

[MIdnkight-lude]

i remember someone once told me something about turbo.

Cheap, fast, and reliable choose 2 out of the three. you can never get all 3 at once. >_<

with that said, turbo can be expensive in the long. it not the most fastest way to keep a motor alive.

[Skim302]

So do you think anyone will pick up where they left off or do you think a turbo for versa's is just too much to ask for right now because i really wanna turbo my versa lol but i really dont want to have it crap out on me in 3 weeks

[MIdnkight-lude]

So do you think anyone will pick up where they left off or do you think a turbo for versa's is just too much to ask for right now because i really wanna turbo my versa lol but i really dont want to have it crap out on me in 3 weeks

truthfully, you will ahve to go the custom route, and look for possible 5k-8k worth of work from a good shop. because the versa's engine bay is very small, if you ever had a look underneith there very lil room to work with, so there will be a lot of test fitting.

If you run a small turbo and low boost, you can prob last a while. but then you might not get the power you wanted or expect.

else you can throw money into the engine to beef it up but that get expensive.

to note, my friend has supercharger her prelude, and has easily spent twice and nearly 3 time what her car cost new. >_< on engine work and so forth, so boost, can get expensive and addicting. becareful with what ever you do.

[shreqboi909]

well, going with a small turbo is best.

u can get a stock turbo off the sr20 and then custom fab the pipping and u wont really need to upgrade the internals much since u will only be boosting about 5-8 lbs daily. it should be just under 1500 dollars total and u should be good for a good while unless u start boosting more.

[motoguy128]

Give it time. I expect someone will step up once there's high enough demand. Remember, compared to other models, this is a very new car. Civic's, Corollas, Sentras, have been a continous evolution and have very high sales. The Versa is a European based design, and our global neighbors don't have as much extra cash to toss around.

On hte other hand, You want acceleration? Cars are slow, always will be unless you have 6 figures to spend. Take the $5000 you'd spend installing a turbo and buy a used motorcycle. Even a 7 year old, used 600cc sportbike will run low 12's with a novice rider, under 11 with an expert. The clutches are easy to replace, and engines are easy to swap when you blow it up.

Even fully loaded with a passenger and piled with lauggage, my touring motorcycle still has a power to weight ratio of 1:10. That's similar to a Versa with 320HP (with 1 passenger and driver). With just me, it's 1:7.5. The Versa's going to need almost 400HP to keep up. Time to drop in a V35... with a turbo. Now a fast motorcycle, is more like 1:3.5! Well, no production car can match that out of the box. That's a 2100lb car with 600HP.

[shreqboi909]

why are u going to compare a bike and a car. if u buy a bike u have to go through more processes in order to just be able to ride it.

lets just compare apples with apples, shall we

[monkeybear]

why are u going to compare a bike and a car. if u buy a bike u have to go through more processes in order to just be able to ride it.

lets just compare apples with apples, shall we

What processes? Getting a license and insurance? Bikes are easy to ride, you just can't make mistakes.

[redtop91]

Hmmm turbo Versa? Custom exhaust manifold. You can use any old turbo you'd just have to clock it funny. There is always the option of remote mounted turbo's if you have the time and money and you will not have to worry about under hood heat or clearance. You will need some sold of standalone Air Fuel Controller, Hack some other MAF into the harness, You can get the stock injectors reworked by deastchwerks. 370 should suffice but I'd go 550 to compensate for boost spikes. You'd need an upgraded ignition system as I'm certain the stock isn't up to the task. Low boost on it's stock internals would be plenty safe with the correct fuel maps and slightly retarded timing and a high compression ratio should yield around 10 hp per PSI of boost. I wouldn't go over 10 on a high compression ratio motor. Although I don't even know what kind of compression ratio a Versa has. Only problem I could see is that the crank is likely not counterweighted fully and you'd run into trouble at high rpms. And the transmission would likely crap out.

[Rockhound]

On hte other hand, You want acceleration? Cars are slow, always will be unless you have 6 figures to spend.

Eh...hold up. You might want to replace the word "cars" with "Versas" in this case, but otherwise that isn't a really accurate statement.

$30+ grand can get you into some pretty fast (new) cars. Find one of these used and you're going to get a lot of performance bang for yer buck, stock...

2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX MR......4.5/13.3 2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STi..................5.1/13.8

Sure, they don't run the quarter in 12, or even 11 seconds, but I'm not sure I'd call that '06 Evo "slow". By your standards, perhaps, but by typical "sports car" standards, 13.3 in the quarter isn't too shabby. Especially for a car that you can find for just over $20k used, today.

And, I'll agree with Shreqboi (I understand the implications) that comparing sportbikes to cars is far from apples to apples, considering their intended purpose and safety (or lack thereof).

BUT, it is true, it would take quite a chunk of change to make a Versa a truly "fast" car - something that I'd wager that most Versa owners aren't interested in, since they were happy enough with the Versa as-is to buy it in the first place.

AND, as Bishop mentioned earlier - this would really only be feasible on the 6-speed manual transmission. The conventional automatic and CVT just don't have the extra power-handling capacity to hold up reliably under a turbo'ed engine.

[shreqboi909]

it is easy to make mistakes. if people crash all the time on 4 wheels what makes u think its not easier to do it on two wheels.

[monkeybear]

I didn't say it whether it was easier or not to make mistakes on a bike, just that you don't get to make them.

Hit the curb in my Versa and I might bend or scratch a rim.

Hit the curb in my Honda and I could die.

Other than the obvious fact that crashing your bike can get you killed I find that bikes are easier to ride than cars. Everything is more responsive, you accelerate faster, brake faster and turn faster. Its easy just not forgiving.

About the turbo, at first I thought it seems cool but then I realize the whole point of the Versa is to be a comfortable economy car and not a sports car. There are better options for people wanting a car to soup up and I think the tuning market is aware of that.

[Skim302]

I dunno. I guess I was just getting to ancy. I love my Versa but a $20,000 GTi or Mazda 3 Speed are starting to look pretty good. If I could just get around $8,000 I'd be in buisness lol.

[monkeybear]

Yeah. I had my eye on the M3 and Lancer myself but in the end I choose the V because it was comfortable and for every minute that I try to drive it sporty I spend several hours going the speed limit in a straight line.

I spend some time with my girlfriends Subaru Forester XT Sports STI edition and holy crap its almost as fast as a WRX. 90% of the time I am on top of the food chain when in that thing but after a week it kind of got old. The whole time when driving that thing I am restrained, I have all this power and I can't use any of it. Got a freaking turbo charger but it doesn't really kick in until you hit 3500rpm and how often dose that happen for me? Once. And yes it was pretty awesome.

In the motorcycle community we have a bit of a saying- "Its more fun to drive a small engine fast than a big one slow"

I also personally like to liken driving/riding to an old billiards truism "Don't worry about how well the other guy is doing; play your own game" Basically don't let someone else decide how you play or in this case drive. The other day some ditzy blonde in a VW invited me and another car waiting on a train to race her. The train passed and off they went. I am sure I must have looked pretty slow to them but I wasn't worried about it. I was driving the way I wanted to drive.

When I drive the V "fast" it actually feels like I am cutting loose, whereas with the Forester/my Honda it still feels like I am holding the vehicile back despite going dangerously fast.

The V is perfectly fine for a commuter. Obviously if want a weekend car to show off at the track you might find the V wanting.

[lain]

Please explain.

na = not turbocharged.

[Rockhound]

na = not turbocharged.

Yes, but as Neo Xian Wu said 3 days ago, it correctly stands for naturally aspirated.

[Skim302]

Ok. I definatly dont want to blow my engine up but I would love to have a turbo on my V. So if I was gonna run low boost what do you think I need and how long do you think it would last. It's not a big deal I mean, if a turbo would mess my engine up no matter how much boost I run then its pointless because there isn't any reason to mess my engine up for a turbo. So what would I need to run low boost exactly. ( and i do have a 6 speed manual just to let you know)

[Bubs daddy]

Not to mention you're going to kiss goodbye any factory warranty regarding engine components and drivetrain.

[Rockhound]

Also, at what point is the performance increase so minor from such a "low" boost that the whole thing just wasn't worth all the cost and effort in the first place?

[Skim302]

Honestly, I love my Versa but my 2 best friends have a Camaro and one is about to get an Evo. Im not so lucky and my parents acctually care about my life lol. I think if there isn't anything out by this time next year I might sell my V for something faster. Because it is pretty point less to try to make a Versa way faster because once its all said and done I could of bought a Mazda Speed 3 or a GTi Mkv with the money I used to upgrade the V.

Thanks for all the help

[jspec603]

So everyone seems to be basing this conversation on price vs. gain. Is it worth it? The simple answer is no, for someone on a budget that is. It would not be worth spending the X-thousands of dollars to turbo the V. I agree with some posts in that you would need to consider all of the supporting mods to go along with turboing the car. So many people think you can just slap a manifold, turbo, intercooler and piping on and your done. Wrong. Those are but the start of the long list of items required/recommended when turboing a car. You need to look into fuel delivery (as someone else had stated). Upgrading the fuel pump and injectors is a must. Then you need to consider engine management. There are plenty of options out there for this. The question is, are you willing to spend the money to have it tuned? Take for example AEM EMS, the unit is expensive to begin with. Then you need to pay a tuner to make it all work. Every aspect of driving conditions have to be applied when using a system like this. (cold start, hot start, fuel maps etc) You can literally pay over a thousand dollars just to get the car to run correctly. Then there are other options. Greddy E-manage, much easier to tune and about half the cost for the unit. The E-manage comes with base maps, granted they're not always for the specific car, but its a place to start tuning from. Then you move into the other monitoring components; wide-band O2, oil pressure, egt, vacuum/ boost gages etc. All in all you can count on spending at least 10k for a one off turbo kit for this car. It's not as easy as taking your buddy's junk T25 off his SR and bolting it to a manifold. At this point in time doing any of this the warranty would be out the window. Then there is always the possibility that the motor will give out...spin a bearing, throw a rod etc. One bad batch of gas and a little detonation and you'll be back to square one. Can the Versa motor handle a turbo at lower boost? Sure. My local dyno guy has an S2k and runs 400whp daily driven to Mass on a stock bottom end. He has also dedicated uncounted hours into tuning the car. The bottom line is that this can be done given the will to spend the money and have the right people do the work. General rule to turboing a car: If you can't afford to turbo it more than once, then don't bother doing it the first time.

[Ever Victorious]

We have a saying in... well, almost any racing world except drag.

"Any idiot can go fast in a straight line."

So what I'm getting from this is your teenage hormones are jealous that your friends have muscle cars, so you're wanting to blow a bunch of money on either a new car or a turbo for your versa (either, financially, is a bad investment... since if you sell your car next year, you're going to lose a TON of money).

How bout this... if it's really that important to get the speed and racing out of your system, how bout you all take your cars to an SCCA autocross and run a PAXed class together? You might just beat them... and have results to point to. PAXing takes into account the capability differences between cars and mostly neutralizes them, so you compete driver vs. driver.

Plus, autocross is fun. And unlike "replying with a blow off valve" (presumably on the street), it's actually safe and legal.