Whens The Turbo Coming

[jspec603]

How bout this... if it's really that important to get the speed and racing out of your system, how bout you all take your cars to an SCCA autocross and run a PAXed class together? You might just beat them... and have results to point to. PAXing takes into account the capability differences between cars and mostly neutralizes them, so you compete driver vs. driver.

Plus, autocross is fun. And unlike "replying with a blow off valve" (presumably on the street), it's actually safe and legal.

[weems84]

We have a saying in... well, almost any racing world except drag.

"Any idiot can go fast in a straight line."

So what I'm getting from this is your teenage hormones are jealous that your friends have muscle cars, so you're wanting to blow a bunch of money on either a new car or a turbo for your versa (either, financially, is a bad investment... since if you sell your car next year, you're going to lose a TON of money).

How bout this... if it's really that important to get the speed and racing out of your system, how bout you all take your cars to an SCCA autocross and run a PAXed class together? You might just beat them... and have results to point to. PAXing takes into account the capability differences between cars and mostly neutralizes them, so you compete driver vs. driver.

Plus, autocross is fun. And unlike "replying with a blow off valve" (presumably on the street), it's actually safe and legal.

Agreed, i had a blast at my first autocross. Not to proud to say it but when i was a teenager i would street drag race my Spec V and thought it was great. Autocross is a million times better and all safe and legal.

[versaspeed.com]

I have had talks with both Jim Wolf and HKS about turbo kits for the Versa and as mentioned before "right now" they feel it would be too expensive for the market to make kits for it......BUT maybe in the future. So we shall see.

[lain]

Yes, but as Neo Xian Wu said 3 days ago, it correctly stands for naturally aspirated.

dont know what naturally aspirated just know the majority of people out there that know about turbos (dont know about the old guys) know that when you say, "NA 240sx" or "Turbo 240sx". One has turbo and the other doesn't.

[Rockhound]

dont know what naturally aspirated just know the majority of people out there that know about turbos (dont know about the old guys) know that when you say, "NA 240sx" or "Turbo 240sx". One has turbo and the other doesn't.

Sheesh, what's the question here? NA = naturally aspirated, which means that there's no forced induction (turbo/super charger). The engine 'breathes naturally', in this case. Google is your friend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N...ngine

[lain]

Sheesh, what's the question here? NA = naturally aspirated, which means that there's no forced induction (turbo/super charger). The engine 'breathes naturally', in this case. Google is your friend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N...ngine

[Skim302]

[QUOTE=Ever Victorious]We have a saying in... well, almost any racing world except drag.

"Any idiot can go fast in a straight line."

So what I'm getting from this is your teenage hormones are jealous that your friends have muscle cars, so you're wanting to blow a bunch of money on either a new car or a turbo for your versa (either, financially, is a bad investment... since if you sell your car next year, you're going to lose a TON of money).[QUOTE]

Honestly if I had enough money in the first place I wouldn't of bought a Versa and I wouldn't be in this situation. And how do I have "teenage hormones" because I asked a question on how to make my V faster like the numerous other posts that other people have put on here about the same topic. And how would I lose money selling my V this time next year to buy a faster car? The way I see it i'll have 15,000 miles on it tops and I'm not planning on messing it up anytime soon so thats around $11,000... And I dont know if you know this but I could buy pretty much any decent used car with low miles on it and stomp a V for $11,000. So to me even if I did lose a little money on the deal, at least I would have a car that I could acctually say is fast.

And don't get me wrong, I love my Versa and I'm not trying to bag on Versa's in anyway at all. I just want a fast car, a Versa isn't doing it for me, and if there aren't parts by next year to make it faster I'm going to sell it. Whats wrong with that?

[Rockhound]

And how do I have "teenage hormones" because I asked a question on how to make my V faster like the numerous other posts that other people have put on here about the same topic.

Hate to break it to you, but most of the 'turbo talk' on this forum has been generated by teenagers. Not being negative, but it seems like these are mostly kids who's parents bought them a Versa for their first car, and now they want to make it 2 Fast 2 Furious.

So the question remains, did you buy your Versa? It sounded like your parents may have from earlier posts. Will they be okay with you selling it next year, if so? Have you thought about insurance and gas money for a performance-oriented car?

Just some things to consider. Nothing's wrong with wanting a faster car, but I think all that EV was getting to was that there are more ways to have fun whilst motoring than just straight-line speed.

[lain]

Have you thought about insurance and gas money for a performance-oriented car?

Insurance will not change one bit for him as for the gas it might. Insurance will still be the same and a turbo in a car might give him better MPG. When I had my 240sx turbo'ed I went from 260 miles per tank to 310 miles. Don't know if the same will happen with the Versa but I would think so.

[Ever Victorious]

And how would I lose money selling my V this time next year to buy a faster car? The way I see it i'll have 15,000 miles on it tops and I'm not planning on messing it up anytime soon so thats around $11,000...

Sorry to break it to you, but no way is your 1-year old Versa S with 15,000 miles going to be worth $11,000. MAYBE a dealer could sucker someone into buying one for that price, but I was in a situation where I needed to sell Versa #1, with only 8800 miles on it... and it was an SL with Convenience (read: more expensive than your V) and was only able to get $12,000 for it. With twice the mileage and a far less desireable options package, your S will not fetch $11,000. $7-8k if you trade it in at a dealership. $9k tops if you sell it privately.

Quote »And I dont know if you know this but I could buy pretty much any decent used car with low miles on it and stomp a V for $11,000. So to me even if I did lose a little money on the deal, at least I would have a car that I could acctually say is fast.[/quote]I'm sure you could find a faster used car for $11,000. Depending on the car, it may already be well out of warranty. Your Versa, for all its "horrible sluggishness" (completely irrelevant in the context of legal city driving) is a car that will do you for two or three years without needing any money on non-maintenance issues. Said $11,000 car could break the day you drive it off the lot and you have to fix it out of your own pocket.

As for the teenage hormones comment.. there are three basic reasons why you would need to say your car is fast in order to be happy in life.

1) girls. Trust me, these girls are wrong. For anyone. Just look at my friend Josh.2) to look cool. Of course, depending on where you live, having a car PERIOD makes you cool. Also, since you're heading out of high school to either college or work (presumably), it might be helpful to point out that your bosses and 95% of your co-workers will just shrug and say "uh, ok" when you point out the badness that is your car. The remaining 5% are either truly car enthusiasts, or decided that they would live the rest of their life as if it was the senior year of high school (read: not cool). It should ALSO be pointed out that a true car enthusiast will NOT like you any less if your Versa is NOT turboed.3) The Need for Speed. Raw, blind, dumb speed. Can you show me an SCCA, IMSA, IRL, NASCAR, FIA, or NHRA competition license in your name? No? Then why do you need blind, dumb speed?

Young folks tend to confuse the joy of driving with #3. They tend to think that you have to go 160 mph to have any fun at all. us old "fuddy duddies" get a kick out of driving a twisty road same as anyone else. We also know how to control our cars and maneuver them so that a 122 hp Versa gives us all the thrill we need.

Quote »And don't get me wrong, I love my Versa and I'm not trying to bag on Versa's in anyway at all. I just want a fast car, a Versa isn't doing it for me, and if there aren't parts by next year to make it faster I'm going to sell it. Whats wrong with that?[/quote]Nothing, it's your car. But there are a lot of voices here with many MANY years of vehicluar wisdom that are trying to save you headache and, more importantly for someone who is just getting started in life, a LOT of money.

I don't expect you to listen. When I was your age, I was just as frivolous with my money. It's only been in the last couple years that I have looked back and said "damn, I was a dumbass. Why didn't anyone try to stop me?" (of course, ignoring the fact that people DID try to stop me)

You should also note that in my replies to you I have NEVER said that you shouldn't turbo your Versa. I HAVE said, however, that it can't be done reliably on the cheap, and that at this point if you want to do it, expect to spend some serious $$ to have someone knowledgeable do it for you. Ultimately the decision is yours.

[TheClevelandSound]

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[Ever Victorious]

Insurance will not change one bit for him as for the gas it might. Insurance will still be the same and a turbo in a car might give him better MPG. When I had my 240sx turbo'ed I went from 260 miles per tank to 310 miles. Don't know if the same will happen with the Versa but I would think so.

Oh yeah, skim... one last bit of advice.

Never listen to lain.

Insurance WILL change. It will be considerably more expensive once you report the turbo under your hood, because turbochargers are considered by insurance companies to be cars driven by more "at risk" drivers. That surcharge is usually doubled for anyone under 25.

Why report the turbo, you ask? Simple. If you turbo your car and don't report it, and get in a wreck, your insurance will NOT pay your claim. Just the opposite, they will VOID your policy... and you will have NO recourse because in all the wonderful paperwork for your insurance policy, it says that you have to tell them about significant drivetrain or suspension modifications, and that lying to them is automatic grounds for dropping you.

And a turbo will not give you more MPG. If you drive a turbo carefully, you will get the same fuel economy (or at least close to it) as before. But that defeats the purpose of turboing the car to begin with, which as you have already admitted is "go like hell". "Go like hell" and "fuel economy" are only synonymous on one vehicle: a motorcycle.

[Rockhound]

Insurance will not change one bit for him as for the gas it might. Insurance will still be the same and a turbo in a car might give him better MPG. When I had my 240sx turbo'ed I went from 260 miles per tank to 310 miles. Don't know if the same will happen with the Versa but I would think so.

In addition to the wisdom EV has already dispensed, if you had read my post correctly, you would have seen that I was referring to a change in insurance premiums from his current Versa to a "sports" car.

Also, "miles per tank" is not MPG. The term "tank" is anything but a specific measurement. Do the math, get the number, it's that simple.

[Skim302]

Yeah I understand. I mean hey it would be nice to have a fast car #1 it is pretty cool to say you have a fast car #2 I dont really have a #2 but I needed to put it here in order to have a #1. I dont think what I was trying to get out of this post was this, and I definatly blame myself. My question was answer by the first or second person that replied. And yes I am a senior in high school and I guess I do have "teenage hormones" ha ha, but who hasn't. Everyone has had asperations of being the fastest car in town and I went about it the wrong way. And I dont know why but for some reason seeing the grille that was just released gave me a new found hope for the V, and made me realize that the Versa just came here and its gonna take some time for everything to get put together.

I guess what I'm trying to say is thanks for the tough love lol, and I do realize what your saying. I mean I'm not going to give up hope of making my Versa fast, but I'll slow my roll and wait it out like everyone else.

[Ever Victorious]

Now that's the spirit!

And hey, if a little tough love is what's necessary, call any time. I'm sure Rockhound and I would be happy to oblige. Hehehe...

[jj718]

Oh yeah, skim... one last bit of advice.

Why report the turbo, you ask? Simple. If you turbo your car and don't report it, and get in a wreck, your insurance will NOT pay your claim. Just the opposite, they will VOID your policy... and you will have NO recourse because in all the wonderful paperwork for your insurance policy, it says that you have to tell them about significant drivetrain or suspension modifications, and that lying to them is automatic grounds for dropping you.

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Would you have to report minor upgrades: CAT back exhaust, Tanabe lowering springs, AEM CAI??? I am considering these changes but not at the risk of a significant increase in premium. Does anyone know about the possibilty of being dropped b/c of the mods I mentioned??? I really would like to make some minor performance upgrades (just gave up my Beemer lease) but I'm okay with driving it as is, if it's gonna kick me in the pants if god forbid I'm ever in an accident...

Also, Sidenote:Clipsed had posted something about Impul having a Supercharger for the VERSA. The post was Impul website.

So it seems that Impul has taken down there US based site? I try to pull it up, and it goes to a site saying this url is available. SO I decided to check out the Japanese site, figuring that they would have some better info and things. Turns out that they have some neat things available since I last checked out there site.

They have the Supercharger listed with a price now, which I am sure most knew about, but maybe not the price ($2706.23)

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[Ever Victorious]

Lowering springs themselves will not require calling your insurance company. Changing the TYPE of suspension (full coilovers, conversion to pneumatic/hydraulic) WOULD require a call.

As for engine mods, they only require you to report them if they are major modifications (engine internals) or changing the type of induction (turbo/superchargers)

[Great White Versa]

When I had American Family, the rule was something along the lines of "we allow you do anything to the point of maintaining street legality" (ie. no nox, no roll bars, no disallowed engine swaps. With them, no upgrades were included in the coverage unless I submitted photos and receipts. With my '01 Prelude, each 1k of upgrade would have increased my premium by $100 per 6 months.

I now have farmers, and my agent doesn't care, as long as the car remains street legal. And, even better, as long as I keep receipts, all upgrades/mods will be covered in the case of an accident/theft.

When I had Geiko, I had a civic and wanted to toy with it, but they were very unfriendly toward mods. I don't remember what their policy was, as I never did anything to it.

In short, all companies are different.