What's wrong with Initial D?

[Doraemon]

lol. random.

[[Zero-S]]

lmao.

[s0ldats]

^ the FD would RAPE an ae86 in absolutely any kind of racing you can imagine.

the ae86 is VERY VERY underpowered, and difficult to drift unless you totally redo the suspension. its not gods gift to the automotive world, like alot of people think.

i like initial d.. its entertaining. we used to watch it at work but its just that, entertainment. its a cartoon, not a source of insperation or technical info.

initial d doesnt bother me.. its the wankers who try to be like initial d that bother me.. or the tools that think the ae86 is the best car evAr.

id take a s13 over a ae86 any day... it has 43 more hp, over 50ft/lbs more torque, and handling is similar... little heavier, but its a better car overall.

the people who are serious about ae86's are all autox'er anyhow..

you, sir, are ignorant AND delusional.

edit: you just dug yourself a deeeeep hole with those comments.

[drifter]

Yeah, that's exactly what the guys in the FC, FD, and R32 thought before they raced Takumi.

"Oh man, a piece of s*** Eight-Six?!?"

It all comes down to the driver....makes sense, this kid's been driving ever since 7th grade, going down the same mountain pass every morning at 4 AM.

Hell, I'd rape everyone too.

[Doraemon]

Hey TomsMR2, maybe you can defend yourself on this thread ^^ http://forums.club4ag.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=40115

[ShifDown96240SE]

Tom just got taken back to school....DAMN!!! better rethink before you speak man.....lmao

[drift-sx]

hahaha tomsmr2 better not show your face around that message board.......owned

[Snoboarder793]

more like "STALLOWN3D!1" hahaha

[TomsMR2]

edit: just went and read the club4ag thread... um. they're not really agreeing with you guys, nor is club4ag some automotive mecca. hell, even some guys agree with me... like:Quote »well fd is a much much better, fatser, newer and expensive car so i dont understand why this guy is trying to compare an fd to ae86. they are in totally in different class. fd has years of technology edge[/quote].. annnnnddddQuote »I'm not going to lie, I love my RPS13 way more then my AE86. I would even trade my AE86 for a nice Cressida wagon on Watanabe's, or a restored SH30H 240Z, plain and simple.[/quote]as you can see.. you kinda pwn3d yourself with your OWN link. tools. end edit...owned? thats funny..

ive been part of CLUB4AG before initial D was even popular. IVE OWNED MANY 4AGE POWERED CARS. ive driven MANY other 4age powered cars.. including ae86's. i stopped posting a long time ago.. i was on it when everyone was competetive autox'ing, and drifting was a past time.

ive ridden in dedicated DRIFT ae86's. they're unstable and scary. ive modded 4ages.. they dont make power.

you're all ae86 fanboys. get your facts straight.

Quote »Yeah, that's exactly what the guys in the FC, FD, and R32 thought before they raced Takumi.[/quote]ITS A CARTOON YOU h0m0. the people who wrote it, wrote it so the ae wins. its not real. its a kids show in japan.

get your facts straight. ae86's arent nearly half as great as half of you fanboys make them out to be. the kade s13 is a better car.

[TomsMR2]

get in contact with bill strong from the mr2 board. he has a extremely high strung fully tuned RACE ONLY 4age. its pushing 190 crank hp, and doesnt make power till about 6K rpm, and isnt streetable.. it also took him thousands of dollars, man hours, fabrication etc etc to get 190 crank hp. 4ag's DONT make power.

[TomsMR2]

TomsMR2 Have you realized yet how many ae86's there are drifting completely stock out there. Redo the suspension? visit http://club4ag.com sometime so that they can completely rape all of your comments.

yeah, theres tons of kids out there that saw initial d, who go "drifting" with their bone stock ae86's... tons of people also go "drifting" in their parents bone stock 4dr civics. you can drift anything... a old 70's caddy can drift if you do it right, doesnt mean it'll drift well... actually theres a few videos of an old buick GNX doing some pretty decent drifts.. maybe all the mad tyte jdm drifters should start buying up the GNX's?

the people AT club4ag have made threads about why stock ae86's cant drift well. i suggest you go read their board some day.

[[Zero-S]]

Last time I checked this was a "whats wrong with initial d" thread, not a "which car is better, the ae86 or the fd" thread.

[drifter]

GASP

He just called me a h0m0.....wow, I forgot to put up my "feelings protection" shield from Tom over here.....:rolleyes

I happen to like kid's cartoons. BTW, didn't the MR2 get beaten by the AE86 as well?

Man, on a DOWNHILL RACE Tom, how much of the race do you think depends on the driver?

I like Initial D.

[drifter]

Here's a post by Rotary Drift on Club4AG, I liked it:

haha this guy is dumb i think. the fd is good drifting car but unbalanced compared to the fc.

besides i would rather take a hachi over a s13 anyday.

And I bet he smells like cabbage. silly guy

Guess who he's talking about?

[TrueSlide]

The thing I think tom is not putting into his comparassion is driver. Spec wise the FD is better, sure. But if a serious driver is a 86 and a ****ty driver in the FD, the 86 will probley win. Hell if you get a n00b driver in a FD, and a pro driver in a civic, the FD will lose again. Majority is driver skill. Iam talking about car vs. car. Not cartoon cars.

[ShifDown96240SE]

And another thing, i heard that MR2s are pretty lame cars, i mean i like em, but i guess theyre way unstable and the stock chassis/suspension is trash.

[drifter]

So in response to the thread title, there's nothing wrong with Initial D. It's entertaining. It was made for entertainment. I may be wrong about the 86, but it's a fun car to drive nonetheless.

TAKUUUUUUMMMIIIIIIIIII

[Doraemon]

lol. You decided to completely ignore the majority of the posts disagreeing with your statements, and go with the one's you would rather have an FD. Hell, I would rather have an FD, I'm sure mostly anyone would. But the point is, you made claims about the ae86 that are complete bull****. The one that gets me the most, is the whole thing about redoing your entire suspension. WTF is that about? Quote »yeah, theres tons of kids out there that saw initial d, who go "drifting" with their bone stock ae86's... tons of people also go "drifting" in their parents bone stock 4dr civics. you can drift anything... a old 70's caddy can drift if you do it right, doesnt mean it'll drift well... actually theres a few videos of an old buick GNX doing some pretty decent drifts.. maybe all the mad tyte jdm drifters should start buying up the GNX's?[/quote]

Oh ok, so automatically everyone who's ever gotten sideways in a stock hachi-roku are kids who just saw initial D. Alright, just wanted to clear that up. But wait, how can they drift their stock suspension if they need to completely redo it first?? Ahhhh! No one goes "drifting" in their 4door civics, I mean, you can slide but that's different from actually drifting. I don't know if you went to the drift showoff, or any other drift competition in which an FF car showed, but how can you compare an actual drift by an 86 for example, to an FF accord? Sure, FF guys would probably try to say different, but I really want to see an FF take an entire sweeper sideways. I really would like to. And that whole thing about the 70's caddy....what did that have to do with anything, kthx.

[drifter]

I think he likes Keisuke more than Takumi.

[TomsMR2]

And another thing, i heard that MR2s are pretty lame cars, i mean i like em, but i guess theyre way unstable and the stock chassis/suspension is trash.

you know nothing. mr2's are tiny, and weigh 2700+ lbs. it doesnt do much for power/weight ratio, but it does make for a massively beefy chassis. mk1/mk2 mr2s are well known to be beyond overbuilt, to the point of excess. the suspension extremely touchy, but if you have any idea how to drive, its an advantage.

doraemon.. have you ever driven a stock hatchi, and a drift setup hatchi back to back? i have. stock hatchis can drift, because they're lightweight RWD cars. they snap back into a straight line, or swing around fully with stock suspension. sustaining a proper long sweeping drift is VERY difficult in a stock hatchi. people can and have done it, because they're experienced drifters.. but if you look at their personal hatchis, they're all resetup for drifting... if someone had a choice of a stock suspension hatchi, and one with full suspension for drifting.. they're gonna choose the one with suspension upgrades.

yes, driver means everything.. a good driver in a bad car can win over a bad driver in a good car... but a good driver in a good car always wins. when comparing cars, you have to assume equal driver skill.

and everyone needs to stop saying "but takumi beat so-and-so car in initial d!!!1!1". its a cartoon. give up.

[AZhitman]

Let's keep this one civil - Any more name-calling and the whole thing gets deleted.

I'll keep my MR2 comments to mysef, except to say that a stock MR2 vs a stock S13 would result in an embarassment to the Nissan driver.

BTW, if you have to type that you "owned" someone, then you really didn't. :rolleyes

[TomsMR2]

MR2Engine Type: I-4cyl 0-60 mph: 5.9 seconds Horse Power: 200 hp 1/4 Mile: 14.3 seconds Top Speed: 240 km/h Braking from 60 mph: 107 ft. Braking from 80 mph: ?? ft. Skidpad: .94 g Slalom: 69.2 mph Fuel Mileage: 20 mpg

FDEngine Type: Rotary 0-60 mph: 4.8 seconds Horse Power: 280 hp @ 6,500 rpm. 1/4 Mile: 13.8 seconds Top Speed: 156 mph Braking from 60 mph: 108 ft. Braking from 80 mph: ?? ft. Skidpad: .99 g Slalom: 70.2 mph Fuel Mileage: 17 mpg

240sxskidpad: 0.82Slalom: 64.1 mph0-60: 8.81/4 Mile: 16.5

ok i got lazy, and couldnt find the corolla GTS specs.. someone post them up, and lets compare.

[yeswepromise]

everybody > tomsMR2retarded thread. close it. nothing productive. tomsmr2 is an idiot. do you know what sarcasm is? have you ever heard of it? Drifter was talking about the ae86 beating the other cars in Initial D. he WAS NOT saying initial d was real life. he is smart and knows his stuff.bottom line - tomsMR2 - you need to shut the hell up and go back to your horrible life. stop getting into internet arguments. you are an idiot. ok now this thread can be closed.

[One_Beer]

All this over a cartoon, and I see that many still believes in the tooth fairy. Well, AE86 is like the mulet mobile of japan. Ask any Japanese about AE 86 they will say "so you have seen initail D..." and will shake their head. Thanks to initial D price of AE86 now cost more than 240sx. Also, again thanks to Initial D there are dumb asses out their in e-bay buying over price parts for 240sx dreaming to convert(jerry rigg'in) in to JDM. Depleteing 180sx parts, and inflating the price. Well, I guess I will just have to work harder for more $$$$$... where's my violin...

[Doraemon]

yeswepromise : 1 TomsMr2 : 0

Yeah, I hate Initial D. Anyway, TomsMR2, no one ever said the ae86 could out perform the FD. But the specs were entertaining to read, thanks. /close thread

[Snoboarder793]

what the hell point does "if someone had a choice of a stock suspension hatchi, and one with full suspension for drifting.. they're gonna choose the one with suspension upgrades." prove that was a very verry dumb comment.

[TrueSlide]

MR2Engine Type: I-4cyl 0-60 mph: 5.9 seconds Horse Power: 200 hp 1/4 Mile: 14.3 seconds Top Speed: 240 km/h Braking from 60 mph: 107 ft. Braking from 80 mph: ?? ft. Skidpad: .94 g Slalom: 69.2 mph Fuel Mileage: 20 mpg

Whats the stats on a non turbo mr2?

As for mr2s, yes they are awesome cars, I like em. They have that mid engine advantage, which does give a boost in performance.

Where did them stats come from also?

[SoWhatItsAnAuto]

There is nothing wrong with Initial D. Except for the fact that some guy wanted to sell me an 86 for5 grand because it was a hatch. He claims,"It's just like the one in Initial D" Damn you Takumi! Daaaaamn you.....

[AZhitman]

Brian (YYP) - Apparently you didn't read my post above. I'll decide when the thread gets closed, not you. You guys cool it.

And doraemon, you're on thin ice. 'Nuff said.

TS, thanks for keeping it civil.

[yeswepromise]

hitman - yes i know you decide what gets closed and i dont, but come on, do you see any good things coming out of this thread? all i see is argument. oh well i am done with this.