What's a Good Oil Filter? Post Oil Filter Articles Here!

[M4T5]

Just a oil filter article I found: http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw....html

I will be looking for some more.

J

[M4T5]

Here is a Mobil 1 oil filter with just 1,000mi of hard driving using conventional oils (Not synthetics). Pretty nasty looking huh?

http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/m1-104-4.jpg

J

[DashingMax]

Personally, I would stick with OEM Nissan/Infiniti oil filter, especially if your car is under factory warranty or under IEPP. IMHO, not worth the risk of having any warranty issues. Check out this thread:http://g35driver.com/forums/no....htmlSERVICE: “...and there is currently an aftermarket oil filter on the car.”ME: “Right, I change the oil myself every 2500-3000 miles the oil myself using aftermarket oil filters.”SERVICE: “Right and that is why we cannot warranty any of the service on your engine.”ME: “Wait let me get this straight, you are telling me that because I used aftermarket oil filters on my car my warranty is now NULL AND VOID????”SERVICE: “Yes that is exactly what I’m trying to tell you.”

[NightWatch]

If the oil filter that guy was using met or exceeded manufacturer's specifications that denial of warranty service would not hold up in court. Manufacturers cannot force you to use thier products or their service by holding the warranty over your head.

[M4T5]

Sorry....but you are not bound to using only an Infiniti oil filter. This would mean that no one but Infiniti or Nissan could change the oil and filter in all Infiniti cars!

Where does it state that in the owners manual?

Ever heard of the Magnuson Voss act? If not, you better read it to increase you knowledge on legitimate or illegitimate warranty denials.

Basically, unless Infiniti can "prove" an aftermarket part caused a particular failure, they have to warranty the vehicle repairs.

The Infiniti oil filters were rated very low quality from what a member stated in the other oil change post. Anyways, read up on the Magnuson Voss act first.

J

[ken in az]

Sorry....but you are not bound to using only an Infiniti oil filter. This would mean that no one but Infiniti or Nissan could change the oil and filter in all Infiniti cars!

Where does it state that in the owners manual?

Ever heard of the Magnuson Voss act? If not, you better read it to increase you knowledge on legitimate or illegitimate warranty denials.

Basically, unless Infiniti can "prove" an aftermarket part caused a particular failure, they have to warranty the vehicle repairs.

The Infiniti oil filters were rated very low quality from what a member stated in the other oil change post. Anyways, read up on the Magnuson Voss act first.

J

I think he meant the Magnuson Moss Act here

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pub....shtm

[ken in az]

Oh, and to throw in a personal experience here. My old - old old - car my nissan 300zx 1988 turbo was a victim of the fram oil filter.

Short story long, I trusted the parts guy to get me the right oil filter when I specifically said - no "Fram" well he gave me a fram filter in a different box and it was the filter that was primed with PTFE. I didn't realize this until I was cruiseing down the freeway and my engine started to make a nice quiet knocking noise. After a mile or two the knocking was really loud, and by the time I got it home it sounded like someone hammering on the side of the block.

When I pulled the engine is when I realized the filter was the fram ptfe pos. I dropped the pan and pulled the crank and sho-nuff spun MAIN and ROD bearings all the way around with little bits emebedded into the bearing surface - yup ptfe bits and filter media.

The filter killed my engine and I will never use a Fram anything ever again.

thats my story, for more please tune in for my new tv show called framhate tv on at 7 and 9 weeknights

[NightRiderQ45]

Sorry....but you are not bound to using only an Infiniti oil filter. This would mean that no one but Infiniti or Nissan could change the oil and filter in all Infiniti cars!

Where does it state that in the owners manual?

Ever heard of the Magnuson Voss act? If not, you better read it to increase you knowledge on legitimate or illegitimate warranty denials.

Basically, unless Infiniti can "prove" an aftermarket part caused a particular failure, they have to warranty the vehicle repairs.

The Infiniti oil filters were rated very low quality from what a member stated in the other oil change post. Anyways, read up on the Magnuson Voss act first.

J

Exactly! You can use whatever filter you want! They are just trying to con that guy! FYI, the OEM Nissan oil filter is poorly constructed and it is very similar to the inside of a Fram. Why would anyone want to use cardboard endcaps on filter. Hot oil + cardboard = disaster

Here is the link to the OEM Nissan oil filter for the new G37 vs an aftermarket oil filter. For the best value and our OCI, I would go with Wix/NapaProSelect oil filters. Well constructed and below $3. Seeing is believing....http://www.myg37.com/forums/en....html

[NightWatch]

Exactly! You can use whatever filter you want!]

....Not exactly.... Any aftermarket part (oil filter, oil, fluid or other physical part) must meet or exceed manufacturers specifications or they can and will void the warranty. Trust me, they've got specs for everything and all replacement parts should have at least the same specifications.

[jankenpo30]

Well I caught Autozone & Advance about year ago running a great sale on 5qts Mobil 1 oil fully syn & Mobil1 filter for $25. So I stocked up.

[M4T5]

I think he meant the Magnuson Moss Act here

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pub....shtm

"Voss" "Moss", it all sounds the same!! I meant Moss! opps

J

[GJEMD]

Personally, I would stick with OEM Nissan/Infiniti oil filter,

I've not seen any data to support a devotion of Nissan filters. Lets face it they have issues with oil consumption across several models in recent past. If you want the best oil filter on the planet pay the piper and get the data and the filter from Amsoil EO13 $17

[marlin29311]

http://minimopar.knizefamily.n....html

[NightRiderQ45]

Personally, I would stick with OEM Nissan/Infiniti oil filter,

I've not seen any data to support a devotion of Nissan filters. Lets face it they have issues with oil consumption across several models in recent past. If you want the best oil filter on the planet pay the piper and get the data and the filter from Amsoil EO13 $17

Did you not click on the link in my previous post? Did you not see how poorly made the Nissan filter was? If you did click on the link and didn't see anything wrong with that filter, then you don't know much about filters. Like you stated the Amsoil filter is great ONLY if you are doing 7-10k oci's. If not, you are waisting money.
Modified by NightRiderQ45 at 7:39 AM 2/11/2009

[NightWatch]

Whenever I have taken my current vehicle or my last vehicle (G35 Sedan) into the dealer for service I've handed the service rep a Purolator PureOne filter and asked them to use it instead. If they don't reduce the cost of the oil change by the cost of the factory filter I ask them to put their filter in the trunk. If anyone wants any I've got about a dozen of them Not that I expect to use them, but this insures that they actually USE the filter I give them and not just ignore my request.

[NightRiderQ45]

Whenever I have taken my current vehicle or my last vehicle (G35 Sedan) into the dealer for service I've handed the service rep a Purolator PureOne filter and asked them to use it instead. If they don't reduce the cost of the oil change by the cost of the factory filter I ask them to put their filter in the trunk. If anyone wants any I've got about a dozen of them Not that I expect to use them, but this insures that they actually USE the filter I give them and not just ignore my request.

That's a good oil filter! Especially with our oci's. Lately, I've been taking my own oil and oil filter to this local shop. I stand there to make sure they use the oil I brought in. Before I leave, I pop my hood and make sure that they used the oil filter I gave them too.d

[infinitiandbeyond]

Amsoil, IMO is a good choice, one reason being: 98.7 percent efficient at 15 microns (ISO 4548-12) while competitive filters containing conventional cellulose medias range from 40 to 80 percent efficiency.

http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/eao.aspx.

ON THE OIL SIDE...

Although I personally personally prefer Amsoil, at the following link is an independent "Synthetic Oil Life Study" featuring Amsoil and Mobile 1. One of the most independent and telling that I've seen.

Toward the middle of this web page, "PAST RESULTS" includes two links, one for each mfgr tested.

http://neptune.spacebears.com/....html

[striz923]

that oil research page is pretty interesting. I think it is amazing that most of the engine wear occurs in the first 3000 miles, which is what is usually recommended.

[M4T5]

So it turns out that Amsoil is all expensive hype after all..... goes to show you.

Mobil 1 has always been my choice of oil. I'm glad I chose a superior oil!

Now, would like to see what oil filters are the best. I would like to see a K&N oil filter comparison test or rating.

From the previous testing done, good oil filters to use are:

1. Mobil 12. Purolator Pureone3. Napa Gold4. A/C Delco (not sure if they offer one for our cars though)

What are some other ones to add?

J

[GJEMD]

So it turns out that Amsoil is all expensive hype after all..... goes to show you.

Mobil 1 has always been my choice of oil. I'm glad I chose a superior oil!

Now, would like to see what oil filters are the best. I would like to see a K&N oil filter comparison test or rating.

From the previous testing done, good oil filters to use are:

1. Mobil 12. Purolator Pureone3. Napa Gold4. A/C Delco (not sure if they offer one for our cars though)

What are some other ones to add?

J

Amsoil is Mobil 1 + Amsoil additives. The cost is the same $8/quart. I have 3 cars, a 1990 Mercedes 250,000 miles , 1996 Lincoln 165,000 miles, 2004 M45 50,000 miles all exclusive Amsoil oil and filters @ 7500mile /oci from new. All driven hard NO oil consumption in any of them

[M4T5]

I'm 100% sure I read that upon removal of the thick Amsoil oil and with the replacement of the Mobil 1 oil, that the engine vibrations went away. Did I misread something in that testing comparison???

J

[M4T5]

Any opinions/ reviews/ recommendations on the K&N oil filters from you guys??I only ask because I use to use K&N oil filters on my previous GM vehicles.

J

[szh]

Any opinions/ reviews/ recommendations on the K&N oil filters from you guys??I only ask because I use to use K&N oil filters on my previous GM vehicles.

IF you mean a K&N oil filter for filtering engine oil, then please ignore the words below, since I don't have a clue about that.

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But, IF you mean the oiled air filters, then we have strong opinions against them.

No matter how careful and minimalist you are in oiling these, they introduce micro-particles of oil into the air-stream. These, sooner or later, mess up the performance of the MAF and lead to engine drivability problems.

The "gain" in HP you get with these is pretty imperceptible enough that the problems more than outweigh this!

So, don't use them is the typical advice from us long-time Nissan Infiniti owners.

Z

[M4T5]

I would like to ignore it......but... my post did say K&N oil filter.... Look it up if you never seen or heard of one.

J

[NightRiderQ45]

Any opinions/ reviews/ recommendations on the K&N oil filters from you guys??I only ask because I use to use K&N oil filters on my previous GM vehicles.

J

Add that one to the list too. I forgot about that one. It's built like a tank! Construction is very similar to Mobil 1 oil filter.

[szh]

I would like to ignore it......but... my post did say K&N oil filter.... Look it up if you never seen or heard of one.

Oh, I know you said K&N oil filter. I have no personal experience or real knowledge with it ... I just made an off-topic response about their air filter, since people do seem to ask about that often enough too.

However, according to this site: http://minimopar.knizefamily.n...obil1, both the Mobil 1 filter and K&N filter appear to be made by Champion Labs (an older design though), so you might as well get the Mobil 1, since it is cheaper by few dollars, if you really want a "performance filter".

Regardless, here are my two cents on oil filters:

1. Change the oil and filter every 3750 miles (or less) and it is probably not important which filter you get, as long as it is designed for use with the M engine and fits in the space. This means that it must have the proper bypass valve, with the correct pressure releases, etc.

2. The problem is when you go non-OEM, most people do not take the time to check these things out carefully ... and, it is too easy to find the local Jiffy Lube (bad mistake!) Jiffy Lube places have been known to use oil filters not intended for your car, because "a filter is a filter" and this is not a good thing.

3. Ultimately, many filters marketed under different names, and still are from the same underlying manufacturer. You have to look under the covers - so to speak - to see this. Getting hung up on a specific model to the detriment of another might really be perception rather than reality!

4. I remember the size drop from the old Nissan OEM filters (used in the 1990-1996 Q45) to the current one. The size change concerned me a bit then. To me, this meant that the new OEM filter definitely needs to be changed often enough to not become an issue. I.e., I have known people who use their filter through two oil change intervals ... I would not be comfortable doing this at all with the new design Nissan filter - particularly with the V-8 engines. Needless to say, using the new OEM filter has not seemed to hurt my car, since I do changes every 3750 miles - whereas on my old Q45, I sometimes let it slide to 5000 or 7500 miles if I had a lot of highway driving .

5. One key point is that Nissan engineers do not willy-nilly choose random filters without doing the testing with a particular engine to make their recommendations. Certainly, they do more than any of us are likely too! So, saying that the OEM filter is bad, and does not work is a pointless waste of time - if an engine fails under warranty with using an OEM filter (and the cause is directly related), they will fix/replace the engine without discussion. So why worry about this?

So, yes, I use the Nissan OEM filter and am perfectly happy with it for a few simple reasons: it does the job, it meets the specs, hasn't failed me yet, it has been tested by the Nissan engineers to work on my car, and is not likely to be an issue if my engine needs warranty work.

Z

[szh]

Add that one to the list too. I forgot about that one. It's built like a tank! Construction is very similar to Mobil 1 oil filter.

Probably because both are made by Champion Labs and appear to be the same design.

Z

[M4T5]

Oh, I know you said K&N oil filter. I have no personal experience or real knowledge with it ... I just made an off-topic response about their air filter, since people do seem to ask about that often enough too.

However, according to this site: http://minimopar.knizefamily.n...obil1, both the Mobil 1 filter and K&N filter appear to be made by Champion Labs (an older design though), so you might as well get the Mobil 1, since it is cheaper by few dollars, if you really want a "performance filter".

Z

What makes the K&N and Mobil 1 oil filters an older design?You can find K&N oil filters for the same price if not lower sometimes.

J

[szh]

What makes the K&N and Mobil 1 oil filters an older design?

Sorry, my poor choice of phrase.

I meant an older Champion Labs design - not necessarily a bad design. Their new one is not as good (called eCore, or something like that, as I recall) from what I saw while reading. People are hoping that this new one does not end up what they source to Mobil 1 and/or K&N apparently.

You can find K&N oil filters for the same price if not lower sometimes.

Ah ... okay.

Z

[infinitiandbeyond]

So it turns out that Amsoil is all expensive hype after all..... goes to show you.

Mobil 1 has always been my choice of oil. I'm glad I chose a superior oil!

Now, would like to see what oil filters are the best. I would like to see a K&N oil filter comparison test or rating.

From the previous testing done, good oil filters to use are:

1. Mobil 12. Purolator Pureone3. Napa Gold4. A/C Delco (not sure if they offer one for our cars though)

What are some other ones to add?

J

ALL EXPENSIVE HYPE? Since you haven't tried it, don't knock it. While I've used Amsoil for 27 years, what I won't do is bash another brand ESPECIALLY if I haven't tried it before. There are pro's and cons to both AND AT DIFFERENT MILEAGE MILESTONES.

Regarding Amsoils OIL filter, it's specs and efficiency rating are the best. 98.7 percent efficient at 15 microns (ISO 4548-12) while competitive filters containing conventional cellulose medias range from 40 to 80 percent efficiency.

NANOFIBER TECHNOLOGYAt the following link, you'll read about the best filtration technology that NONE of the tests have yet addressed...NANOFIBER filtering technology. And who is the ONLY company using it...AMSOIL.

http://www.ultimatesyntheticoi...S.pdf

Having said that, the next link is INDEPENDENT proof of NANOFIBER and its performance and cost advantages over time.

http://www.uasinc.com/Document...8.pdf

Ironically, M4T5, Amsoil DOES have a NANOFIBER AIR filter for your car but not yet for my M35.

Poster "Ken in AZ" also hinted to Amsoils NANOFIBER in an earlier post.

OIL CHANGE INTERVAL - Change it when you want but the bottom line of the article I linked a few posts ago points out that when using EITHER Amsoil or Mobile 1, the ideal change interval is 8,000 miles. The amount of used oil consumption over time was also a criteria.