what do u suggest econ build

Website · Post by **quiksilvia** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:43 pm

looking sick is sick fo sho, you is tripping like whoa brah, but an electric one has more features than just controlling boost.

The Super AVC-R is the premium closed-loop electronic boost controller on the market. The AVC-R allows flexible control over virtually every aspect of boost control and adds new innovative functions such as injector pulse monitoring and gear specific boost control. Some key functions include: RPM-based boost and solenoid duty cycle control, scramble boost, self learning mode, 2D ghost map trace mode, analog display mode, real time replay and peak hold data modes. The AVC-R utilizes an ultra-fast microprocessor and a high quality solenoid valve to control boost. The result is ultra-fast response and accurate, stable boost control.

Post by **Nathan** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:43 pm

You copied that from product literature, of course it says it's that good

Actually I'm not saying it isn't, I wouldn't mind a profec B thats for sure...I just cant justify the price of those things!

Post by **s13ofdoom** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:43 pm

yeah thats what im sayin for an econ build should i get a mbc or a pricey electronic one? and is it worth it and y?

Website · Post by **quiksilvia** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:43 pm

they are a lil more $ but being able to adjust boost levels with the touch of a button will be a lot better than having to get out and mess with it. and either way u'll prolly end up with an electronic one anyways, and dont forget that they look tight

Post by **SCOOBYSHAG** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:43 pm

sorry but totally disagree here. The fact that electric boost controllers have other functions is kind of irrelevant I think. The boost controllers primary function is holding and controlling the boost. If you get a good 2 stage mechanical it will NEVER fail. As far as electronic ones there is always something that can short out or screw up. And I have heard WAY more stories of electronic boost controllers spiking than mechanical ones.

The TurboXS 2 stage is a great unit. Good enough that Abel Ibarra's 7.33 second RX-7 and JoJo Callos' 9.03 second Integra as well as the fastest 2nd gen AWD DSM in the world (9.62) use the exact same off the shelf model that is available to you and me.

Since the title is "Econ build" and you are concerned with reliability and cost a 2 stage MBC is the way to go. The TurboXS 2 stage can be had on Ebay for $175 shipped.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...82205

Website · Post by **quiksilvia** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:43 pm

they use that because its prolly more accurate for racing and they dont need to adjust the boost, they just race.

Post by **SCOOBYSHAG** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:43 pm

your exactly right, the boost controller is more accurate and more reliable, that is why they use it. Its a 2 stage controller, first stage daily driving and second stage race. Low boost/High boost. Why would you want anything inbetween?

Uh, they do have to adjust their boost when they are tuning the car. If you properly setup the boost controller when you install it then you wont have to keep adjusting it except for when you add other mods that could affect it. Set it and forget it.

Post by **SCOOBYSHAG** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:43 pm

Electronic boost controllers are flashy and although I agree that some are very good units, they are still more prone to breakdown than a mechanical unit.

I thank you will be happier with a MBC. Me personally I have mine set to 7 lbs on the low side and 10 lbs on the high side (still have stock turbo/injectors/MAF/computer). After about 20-30 minutes of adjusting the boost controller I havent had to touch it since. Always rock solid on delivering the correct boost and has never spiked one time on me.

Post by **RobDET** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:43 pm

The only problem with an MBC is when you pull up to the light next to the LS1 camaro and you need to be running 14psi instead of 12 or the Lt1 Camaro and you need 12 instead of 10

Post by **Nathan** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:43 pm

Why not just keep it set to 14 all the time then?

Post by **SCOOBYSHAG** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:43 pm

exactly my point. if your car runs its best and fastest at 14 psi then that is what it should be set at all the time (for racing on the high side). You have the low side set to stock boost then when you pull up to the light you flip a switch and bingo 14lbs. Whenever you race dont you always want to be your fastest?

Me personally I am only running 10 lbs because it is the stock turbo/MAF/injectors/ECU. Sure I could run more but I dont want to possibly risk my car by running more ragged until I have the mods to properly do so.

In your example though if I pull up next to an LS1 Camaro, an LT1 Camaro, a 5.0 Mustang, or a Civic and we are going to race..then I would run 14 lbs on every single car that I race. Why do I want to lighten up on somebody? Its a race. Me vs. him. The bigger the victory the better. Im going to feel stupid if I backed the boost off to 12 or 10 lbs and then this guy is running juice and I just wasted my time when I should have kept it at 14 the whole time because that setting is where my car is its fastest.

Post by **Nathan** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:43 pm

Besides, you can always "lighten up" on them by shortshifting a bit, not getting ALL the way into the accelerator etc. no reason to actually reduce your engine power.

Post by **SCOOBYSHAG** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:43 pm

yeah I agree. I do that often with my car. I still have stock wheels and crappy paint and stock ride height with a big blingin Greddy exhaust out back. So when people pull up they automatically assume Im just some guy that bolted on an exhaust and thinks he is cool. If we are rolling and he pulls up then can dip the throttle a bit to bait him while keeping the car at 10 lbs and then blow his doors off when he tries to "take advantage" of the little guy with the exhaust.

Post by **RobDET** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:43 pm

you guys misunderstand... I always run 12 unless i'm trying to have fun or race then i run up to 14.

The 10 to 12 was for you guys who always run 10

My MBC only has one setting and i don't want to run 14 PSI all the time for the very reasons you mentioned above.

Post by **RobDET** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:43 pm

oah and you think your car looks stock? I still have steelies!

Post by **SCOOBYSHAG** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:43 pm

yeah I agree to that, thats why I recommended a 2 stage, one for stock setting and one for race

Post by **s13ofdoom** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:43 pm

so 2 stage booster has 2 setting i can choose? that would be perfect then

Post by **RobDET** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:43 pm

yah 2 stage is cool check out the sleeper

Post by **SCOOBYSHAG** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:43 pm

nice sleeper!

here's mine:

http://www.cardomain.com/id/gunmetalgrey

Yeah the 2 stage allows two different boost settings to toggle between via a switch that you mount on the inside of your car.

Post by **hokiruu** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:43 pm

quiksilvia wrote:just get the timer, youll be glad u did when ur late for work or something, if there was a naked chic in ur bed, would u want to sit in the car while it cools down? i wouldnt and the timer is like 120 and a harness is 20 so for like 150 ur good to go

Hehhe you're funny. But a turbo timer doesn't cost that much. I've got the nice Blitz FATT, installed it pretty easily without a harness, and it was $78 from Phase 2.

Post by **s13ofdoom** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:43 pm

here's my sleeper its still KA in it. and im gonna do the primer thing 1 color is better than 5. http://www.geocities.com/hsk4ever/240sxmineo thats how it was the day i bought it nice aye!

Post by **Nathan** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:43 pm

/begin threadjackScoobyshag, you steal my car man? I noticed your in Dallas too and your car looks VERY much like mine, we'll have to meet up sometime and take sleeper pics of both the cars when mines up and running!

Post by **SCOOBYSHAG** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:43 pm

how funny, yeah mine is a 91 also. Thats cool just email me when you get your up and running and we can meet up

Post by **Nathan** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:43 pm

Good deal, I'll have to do that!/end threadjack

what do u suggest econ build

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