what can I do about an Intercooler "im too cheap for fmic kit"

[toledo240]

RB25DET and CHIGON-Ok just what one minute here! So to fill this tank up, you use plain ole' alcohol like the stuff at the grocery store or beer,or some vodka or something like that! or do I have to buy some special stuff from a company? Just making sure here. How come this stuff is not that popular? Alot of people buy a $1000 intercooler and never race and never put no more than 9-10psi.

-OK now this alcohol injection is also adjustable on how much more psi you want to push right, So on stock boost at 7psi I can go way up to 20psi if I wanted when some mustang comes up to me and revs their engine? and basically you can cut it off the alcohol going to the injectors? I ask that because I dont drag race or anything, this is my everyday driver in the summer.

-ok now a t25 is not safe after 260hp and your saying as long as I have alcohol injection with stock injectors I can get 300 hp If I wanted to push that much alcohol to it?

[Chingon]

no, the turbocharger is another deal. If it's made for certain boost, than dont overboost it. I was talking about methanol (a type of alcohol) which you can run just like gasoline with just twice bigger injectors, and some other things (can't remember right now). You don't need an ic, and you would need a fuel cell to use as a tank. I've seen the stuff run at around 1.80$ the gallon, but you have to burn twice as much as gasoline. I don't know if you can have a dual system as w/lp gas, since the injectors are twice as big.

aeritu: I see what you mean now..

[toledo240]

OK Thanks for clearing it up for me. I prooly will stick to getting a 1g dsm like J spec Or just a s15 smic maybe. But I defintley would like a starion or an isuzu npr fmic still. If I want to do the customize pipes. I probably will just go to a local muffler shop because the import shop here are crap!Oh yeah Chingon- so do you think a medium size out of a npr is fine. What are the outlets? WHy not the small ones? What are their outlets?

[MainEvent212]

spearco makes cheap cores dont they?

[toledo240]

I've heard they do and I heard they are very good but I never really thought about it though......... I should look into it more

[RB25DET]

No, his alcohol injection hooks right up to his intercooler and sprays into his intercooler, it does not require you to run twice as much gas. Alcohol injection doesn't allow you to turn your boost up to incredible amounts, you still are within limits, but it does allow you to turn it up quite high, with the proper mods you can turn it up more. Not that many people use it, because its not that popular, although they've been using it with Pro draggers for many years, the novice turner has never heard of it. But with all these cars i was telling you about and the big hp jumps, companys are now calling our cars like crazy, wanting to know what this special kit is. Companys will catch on, but alcohol is also a bit technical, i don't know how many of you are familiar with knock threshold and all that jargon but if you want to know more, ASK THE MAN HIMSELF at OUR SITE. http://WWW.COLDSPEED.NET, his name is AKWRX. and yes you can use just about any type of alcohol as long as its above a certain proof, i forgot what the number is, but methanol is what he uses, a mixture with that and water. You can pick this stuff up at a car store, very inexpensive stuff or go out and buy some everclear to through in there. Like i said though, i'm not the pro, get on our site and ask the man.

[Sid3ways S13]

Just run down to Showdown, they have many 1G SMICs down there. If you don't want to get a used one though the thicker sidemount from DejonTool's is a good unit. I bought products from them for my 97 GSX and he does a great job. I'd highly recommend them.

EDIT: and not to be presumptuous but I would NOT recommend alcohol to you instead of a FMIC. I would only suggest that after you research it VERY thoroughly. AI isn't something to play around with unless you know exactly what you are doing. Stick with an intercooler for reliable power you don't have to refill to have fun.

[Chingon]

OK Thanks for clearing it up for me. I prooly will stick to getting a 1g dsm like J spec Or just a s15 smic maybe. But I defintley would like a starion or an isuzu npr fmic still. If I want to do the customize pipes. I probably will just go to a local muffler shop because the import shop here are crap!Oh yeah Chingon- so do you think a medium size out of a npr is fine. What are the outlets? WHy not the small ones? What are their outlets?

Personally, I think even the smallest one would suffice for your power goals. Here's a post from the guy w/the small horizontal mounted one I pictured above:

The small NPR is definitely enough for the BNR stage 3 or even a full T04B.

I a very reworked BNR stage 4 and a reworked small NPR IC in an HMIC conversion. I data logged several 0-140mph 20psi runs and the intake temps did not go above 45 deg C (only 30 deg ambient, though). I found that very impressive- even difficult to believe.

Especially since my HMIC conversion doesn't even have the requisite vented hood to exhaust the IC- it is just going out the transmission tunnel like a stock or an FMIC.

[Chingon]

also here's an interesting read on the npr and other ic comparison:http://home.earthlink.net/~tur....html

and this is what the horizontal ic guy had to say about the inlet/outlet for the small core

I didn't HAVE anything modified for the car- I did it :-). The IC inlet is 2.5" the outlet is 2.75" and they are directly into the end tanks (which I ported out the casting bosses and polished internally- of course.) instead of at an angle like stock NPR.

[AREITU]

So the NPR actually fits into the S13 somewhere?

[toledo240]

Definetely have my choive down to a 1g smic or isuzu npr fmic. Thanks for the help and suggestions

[MarkEmark]

I'm a big advocate of alcohol injection as well

My alcohol "injector" is mounted right near the TB and draws its source from the windshield-washer reservoir; the actual injector is from a kit that my dad used to have on his volvo, and it's an incredibly good injector, it really atomizes the water in a very predictable pattern.

I have an adjustable pressure switch for when the alcohol is injected and right now it's programmed at 6.75 psi; when it comes on, a blue L.E.D. underneath my boost gauge comes on

Of course, this is only temporary; once I have enough money/feel like fabricating some intercooler pipes, I'll have an intercooler in addition to the alcohol injection, definitely before next summer.

Do you guys know the exact size of the "SMALL" NPR intercooler, and it's overall length? What size are the inlets/outlets?

[Chingon]

The core dimensions are 8.5"x20"x2". Overall is roughly 13x29x6".

the i/o are both 2.5", sorry I stated otherwise in my prev. post.

or could be around 24" x 8.5" x 2.25" 2.5" I/O

by the way, It looks like this, so the angles to the throttle and custom turbo (if ka) are already there.