what am i forgeting

[XcreatureX]

right now i am going with a lower boost setup maybe get around 200whp untill i can afford it more

Turboinjectors 370'sBOVboost controllermaniDPFMICFuel pumpSAFCII

Seth

[XcreatureX]

oops need a wastegate....anyone know a good place for a good price

Seth

[Checkered-Member]

Search around for wastegate, Tial has a reputable name, a 38mm will do good you can get one for around 230 shipped

You also need intercooler piping, oil lines for turbo, gaskets, clams, adapters…All these can add up, so be willing to spend 200-300 bucks just on these "random" components and hardware

What are you using for timing control?

what turbo are you planning on?

[Florida240sx]

Yea that seems right.I'll make a list.ManiTurboDownpipe ExhaustBOVWASTEGATEPipingIntercoolerFuel pumpInjectorsOil linesClamps for piping
Modified by Florida240sx at 12:12 AM 7/3/2005

[XcreatureX]

for now i am using a t3 turbo off a old saab 9000 or 900 i forget lol...right now i am only going to be running like 5 psi do i need something for the timing? also do i need to get a z32 maf? or can stock hadle 5 psi? what should i be making for power at the pressure?

Seth

[Checkered-Member]

for now i am using a t3 turbo off a old saab 9000 or 900 i forget lol...right now i am only going to be running like 5 psi do i need something for the timing? also do i need to get a z32 maf? or can stock hadle 5 psi? what should i be making for power at the pressure?

Seth

at 5psi and 91+ octane you will do fine with stock timing.

I know the altima maf can handle 240-250whp so 9-10 psi

with 5 psi you can expect 30-40% increase so around 200 crank or 180 whpthese are estimates, everything and I mean everything can change those numbers, anything from tuning, fuel, elevation, turbo and intercooler efficiency…ect

[XcreatureX]

93 octane and probably 1000 feet about sea leave

[Checkered-Member]

93 octane and probably 1000 feet about sea leave

Even better, if you do encounter ping you could manually retard the timing 2-3 degrees

[hannibal]

stock MAF is good til 240whp or so.

Looks like youre set.

[XcreatureX]

what should i do about IC pipping....how many bends do i need an what not?

Seth

[Nismo_Freak]

at 5psi and 91+ octane you will do fine with stock timing.

I highly doubt that with 91 octane summer gas and the ambient heats we are seeing in the dead of summer. You will have detonation, you just might not be able to hear it.

I would retard the timing a solid 2 degrees maybe 3. The DOHC KA has a substantial amount of timing advance, and the stock ECU isn't going to accomodate the additional retard.

At 5 PSI you will have dynamic CR's above 12:1 in the KA, and until someone monitors knock values with 91 octane fuel on stock timing, I would err on the safe side.

[nissanfanatic]

[quote=""XcreatureX""]what am i forgeting[/quote]A "t" in forgetting.

I agree. You should retard timing 2* off base. Then access a wideband and tune it to 11:1-11.5:1 AF ratios. You should be golden then.

You may even be fine with stock timing since that is such a small turbo. 5psi from that small turbo may net you 180whp. May....

Aren't most Saab turbos internally wastegated? If thats the case, then you won't need a wastegate. If you want to run low boost, you won't need a boost controller either. The actuator will prolly be set for like 7psi. 7psi with a solid tuning and a decent intercooler will net you about 200whp.

Bends....Play it by ear. Visualize the setup and buy what you see... Basically what I did for my rigged setup until I coudl afford a kit.

[Checkered-Member]

I agree with everything you said.If he is using a SAFC II, don’t those have a knock feature?He can run 93 octane with stock timing and for the first few pulls see if there is knock. If there is, lets retard the timing 2-3 degrees, if not, he should keep stock timing.

imho keep stock timing, if there is even slight knock, retard it.

[Florida240sx]

Yea the SAFC has a knock sensor but it runs off the factory sensor so I don't think it's that accurate.Beleive it said it in the safc manual...

[XcreatureX]

yeah the saab turbo did have a internal wastegate but i removed it cause it was broken or something....i got it from my teach at school....i am debating wither to use it or just spring for the t3/tO4e now instead of wait and just run that at low boost tille i get the rest of the suporting mods to go higher

Seth

[XcreatureX]

ok so i think i am going to spring for the t3/to4e turbo to....next question its since ill be using the exturnal wastegate and it does the boost controlling from whatever spring is in there i would never need the boost controller right? also say the new turbo i find has an inturnal wastegate...would it be bad to remove in and use the exturnal or or would it be better to use it, block off the previsions for the extrunal and then run the boost controller? i have been doing my reseach but i like to play it smart before i jump into things

Seth

[XcreatureX]

Here is an updated list of everything i got and type and all that good stuff

Turbo - right now is the saab t3 but i am probably getting the t3/to4einjectors - stock sr 370'sBOV - turboxs type H (free)boost controller - turboxs(free)mani - boost designsDP - boost designsFMIC - johnny race car (30x8x3 2.25 in and out)Fuel pump - walborfuel controller - SAFCIIegt - autometer(good deal)wastegate - tial 38mmOil Lines - IPA kit

need

IC pipping - custom?boost - going to get a autometer for nowexhaust - custom

all i would need to go high boost would be injectors and engine managment right

Seth

[Checkered-Member]

ok so i think i am going to spring for the t3/to4e turbo to....next question its since ill be using the exturnal wastegate and it does the boost controlling from whatever spring is in there i would never need the boost controller right? also say the new turbo i find has an inturnal wastegate...would it be bad to remove in and use the exturnal or or would it be better to use it, block off the previsions for the extrunal and then run the boost controller? i have been doing my reseach but i like to play it smart before i jump into things

Seth

Every wastegate has a spring inside that determines the psi level the wastegate will open, no need for a boost controller, (But you are stuck with one setting) since you are going with a 38mm Tial wastegate they make 8 different springs that open at different levels of boost, so you can start with a low psi level them move up. You can get a spring for about 20-30 bucks.

Buying a turbo with an internal wastegate is a waste (hey that rhymes), why because you paid extra for the wastegate and on top of that you have to buy and external one, which spikes the cost of your kit. 90% of the new turbos out there are without one, and if you do come across one, don’t buy it.

If you have a turbo with an internal wastegate you can remove it and use an external one.

[XcreatureX]

good cuase this is a decent price for a turbo...but it has a inturnal......if you know where i can get one for less then that without one please let me know

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...=WDVW

Seth

[Checkered-Member]

good cuase this is a decent price for a turbo...but it has a inturnal......if you know where i can get one for less then that without one please let me know

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...=WDVW

Seth

that eBay turbo is rebuilt, so if anything happens after 90days, you are on your own.

for remanufactured/rebuilt turbos:http://www.turbocalculator.com/sale-garrett.php

second one on the list, you can choose your own trim, upgrade to .63A/R and upgrade to internal wastegate.

For new turbos:http://store.yahoo.com/cheapturbo/gatu.html

they are 619 with a choice of different trims and different compressor housings from .48 A/R, .63 A/R and .82A/R

[XcreatureX]

Hey do you have aim im me at screatureb also would the t3/to4e but a good turbo for now and later? later plan to try to get above 400hp which trims would be best and still not have lag forever?

[Checkered-Member]

Hey do you have aim im me at screatureb also would the t3/to4e but a good turbo for now and later? later plan to try to get above 400hp which trims would be best and still not have lag forever?

for now: yes

for 400hp: noyou will need something bigger...like strait TO4B with like 1.15 A/R

[nissanfanatic]

T3/T04 will easily do 400whp.

Check out Phoenix turbo

You could go either .63ar or .82ar. .82ar will support around 500whp. It says 525whp, but only flowing 53lb/min of air, I'd be skeptical on that. The one I linked you to would do perfect.

[XcreatureX]

ok next question is going to be with exhaust...since i am getting the BD mani and DP (not through them) is there anything else that mates up to the DP other then there exhaust or and i going to have to go custum all the way from there....planing on a custon cat back as of right now but i guess i could extend it more if needed

Seth

[Checkered-Member]

T3/T04 will easily do 400whp.

Check out Phoenix turbo

You could go either .63ar or .82ar. .82ar will support around 500whp. It says 525whp, but only flowing 53lb/min of air, I'd be skeptical on that. The one I linked you to would do perfect.

I stand correct, as I didn’t specify turbine stages ( I keep forgetting they make stage 1 and 2 for those low displacement engines (coughSRcoughhondacough)Stage 3 and 5 can flow 430+ whpStage 1 and 2 max out around 350

anyone please confirm this, stage 1 = standard = factory turbo

and I don’t think Garrett makes stage II, only imitators…I’m lost here


Modified by Checkered-Member at 7:51 PM 7/3/2005

[XcreatureX]

i was talking to a friend and came up witha .63 ar and 60 trim...how does that sound to you guys?

Seth

[Jookmasta]

for the exhaust, i highly recommend BRM for the catback. The test pipe or portion b/w ur BRM and the DP will have to be custom made unless Greg has something at BRM that can fit up.

[XcreatureX]

i was planing on using a stock WRX alex back and then getting a custom 3" pipe made from the DP to the axel back

Seth

[hannibal]

Greg talked about making a 'filler' pipe between BD's downpipe and the cat/test pipe. I dont know if he ever fabbed one up, though.

Stage 1 = 'standard'. I know the Z31 T3 uses a stage 1 turbine wheel for fast spool. Most guys use stg 3, and some use a stg 5 with 0.82AR for better top end. I remember hearing that the stg3/0.63AR is a good matchand stg5/0.82AR work well together.

I havent looked at a 60trim comp map in a while, but it is more efficient at higher flows than the 50trim. You'll be out of the sweet spot until you crank up the boost.

[XcreatureX]

so which would be best to buy once.....the t04b or the t3/to4e?

Seth