We're doing some upgrading and maintenance today

[AZhitman]

Fixt.

[Razi]

Greg..my name isn't red and I can't ban people!
Fix plz?

[AZhitman]

Banned.

[Razi]

:'[

[PoorManQ45]

LOL @ Gatorhost.

Their top-line server couldn't handle our traffic. Not even close.

You sure about that? I could have sworn they have a few R710s and even R810s in their rack. Maybe they just don't offer the performance package that is needed. Sometimes hosting companies would rather sell virtual systems then a whole system. This typically makes them more money.

[PEZi]

Banned.

[Jesda]

Host Gator rocks. $10/mo and I GET AN AMERICAN WHO SPEAKS ENGLISH 24 HOURS A DAY WHEN I CALL FOR HELP.

I'd pay $30 for that level of service, but don't tell them I said that.

[Ozzie]

I ALSO WANT TO TALK LOUDLY IN THIS THREAD, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER, BECAUSE MY ACCENT BAFFLES YOU!

Also, I never noticed a problem/dropout with the upgrade.

yay!

[PoorManQ45]

Host Gator rocks. $10/mo and I GET AN AMERICAN WHO SPEAKS ENGLISH 24 HOURS A DAY WHEN I CALL FOR HELP.

I'd pay $30 for that level of service, but don't tell them I said that.

If you talk to Kristen(guy) that's my buddy. He's in TX

[admin]

Host Gator rocks. $10/mo and I GET AN AMERICAN WHO SPEAKS ENGLISH 24 HOURS A DAY WHEN I CALL FOR HELP.

I'd pay $30 for that level of service, but don't tell them I said that.

Think about the profit on that $10/month....when they throw between 500 and 1000 people on the same server that you're on (called overselling)...

It's no wonder they can pay what they do for every signup through their affiliate program - http://www.hostgator.com/affiliates.shtml ...and no wonder why so many dipshits promote the hell out of that affiliate program.

Any hosting company that promotes anything as "Unlimited" is blowing smoke up your a** and if you believe that it's truly unlimited, I have a piece of property on the ocean right up the street from Greg that I'm offering for a good deal that you may want. I've probably tested 100+ hosting companies (including hostgator) in the 12 years I've been doing this s*** and the ones that advertise unlimited disk space, bandwidth, etc. end up being by far the worst quality.

[PoorManQ45]

Any hosting company that promotes anything as "Unlimited" is blowing smoke up your a** and if you believe that it's truly unlimited, I have a piece of property on the ocean right up the street from Greg that I'm offering for a good deal that you may want. I've probably tested 100+ hosting companies (including hostgator) in the 12 years I've been doing this s*** and the ones that advertise unlimited disk space, bandwidth, etc. end up being by far the worst quality.

SOunds like cellphone providers...

[Jesda]

Any hosting company that promotes anything as "Unlimited" is blowing smoke up your a** and if you believe that it's truly unlimited, I have a piece of property on the ocean right up the street from Greg that I'm offering for a good deal that you may want. I've probably tested 100+ hosting companies (including hostgator) in the 12 years I've been doing this s*** and the ones that advertise unlimited disk space, bandwidth, etc. end up being by far the worst quality.

Oh s*** you're right bro, what am I going to do when I want to upload the Library of Congress? God damn, I wish I was cool. My personal email and blog should be hosted by NASA.

Do you complain when Hometown Buffet asks you to leave after 20 servings? So far I've managed to scarf down 10 gallons of mashed potatoes without getting kicked out.

[AZhitman]

He doesn't even get in the front door before they call Security... No all-you-can-eat for that guy!

Yes, Brien, I'm "sure about that". When have you ever known me to type something without knowing what I'm talking about? I'm not you.

Hostgator's biggest plan doesn't cover HALF of our monthly traffic. Not sure how they can advertise anything as "unlimited" when they can't handle the bandwidth we use.

[Jesda]

Hostgator's biggest plan doesn't cover HALF of our monthly traffic. Not sure how they can advertise anything as "unlimited" when they can't handle the bandwidth we use.

Heck, there's really no productive reason to talk about HG or any of those consumer-level hosting services when you're dealing with this much traffic. I really enjoy my "unlimited" AT&T UVerse home broadband, but I bet if I shared it with the whole town it would turn to ish (or they'd shut it off, realistically).

You can dog on HG or any of those low-cost Wal-Mart-style hosting services, but they're excellent for 90% of small businesses and consumers. I've dealt with some really awful hosting companies (1and1, Surpass) and HG is amazing for how little it costs, how reliable it is, and for the type of people they expect to sell it to.

But I sure as hell wouldn't use it for NICO. No way. You can't run a restaurant with only one table. [Okay, there's drive-throughs and walk-ups, but... just accept my analogy. ]

[AZhitman]

Exactly.

But who the heck wants to pass up an opportunity to ridicule Brien for posting something stupid?

[Jesda]

*chuckle*

[PoorManQ45]

Exactly.

But who the heck wants to pass up an opportunity to ridicule Brien for posting something stupid?

You're still wrong about virtualization...

I guess I'm not familiar with the amount of traffic you guys experience.

I was simply looking at Nico from a size and performance perspective, not bandwidth requirements.

[AZhitman]

Exactly.

But who the heck wants to pass up an opportunity to ridicule Brien for posting something stupid?

You're still wrong about virtualization...

Nope.

But feel free to continue to argue with our web guy who makes 7 figures for actually knowing what he's talking about.

[PoorManQ45]

Nope.

But feel free to continue to argue with our web guy who makes 7 figures for actually knowing what he's talking about.

He didn't dispute what I said about virtualization though

He stated that the motherboard in the system you guys have as a server(sounds like consumer equipment...) can't handle more then 12GB of RAM. This is not a knock against virtualization, but your equipment.

[AZhitman]

Actually, he did. Page 1, about 2/3 of the way down.

Then again, if you knew as much as you think you do, you'd be submitting an RFP to earn our (and countless others') business.

[PoorManQ45]

I believe you're referring to his first reply to me:

Virtualization was not going to solve this issue. The hard drive I/O is not the issue. I don't know where the f*** you came up with "two databases" 'cuz there's only one for this site. The problem is purely an issue of hitting the maximum number of connections available for Apache AND MYSQL. Part of this is due to the type of table being used for the posts on the forums. We have been testing different ideas to make that work better too, but there's a trade off. Either we read from the tables quickly or we write to the tables efficiently, but neither MyISAM and INNODB seems to have been a perfect solution. Moving to 2 servers was the next logical step. If we played with virtualization, it would just f*** us even quicker because Apache alone has been needing 8-10GB of RAM to keep things going. With all the various settings and mods we've added to the forums to keep people happy, it's going to take some resources like that. This site gets more traffic than your mom's bed. As many as 200k page views a day across the server starts pushing the limits of a single server regardless of the setup. So chill man...obviously whatever servers you run for whatever you do work fine with virtualization. I've run hundreds of sites on dozens of servers with dozens of different configurations (including using virtualization which caused issues of its own, so it's not some magic bullet).

If so, notice that he doesn't say virtualization won't work, he says with your equipment it wouldn't work...

[AZhitman]

Brien - Even if you're right (which you're not), no one cares (as usual).

Your credibility on the topic is already suspect, for several reasons (some of which were self-inflicted, some of which are due to your lack of credentials).

As such, no one who finances such a venture is listening.

[PoorManQ45]

Brien - Even if you're right (which you're not), no one cares (as usual).

I'm used to it.

Your credibility on the topic is already suspect, for several reasons (some of which were self-inflicted, some of which are due to your lack of credentials).

Understandable, typically people without paper credentials, or that are not already in a position as a "professional" in the specific field utilizing this information are ignored or assumed to be incorrect.

As such, no one who finances such a venture is listening.

Sorry to hear that.

[AZhitman]

Understandable, typically people without paper credentials, or that are not already in a position as a "professional" in the specific field utilizing this information are ignored or assumed to be incorrect.

You conveniently left out the other half - The half that is attributable to your track record of frequently being wrong.

I don't think our "admin" has paper cred's. I've just never seen him be wrong. There's a lesson in there, but I fear you're 5-10 years away from internalizing it.

Enough on this topic (for me). Glad everything is running smoothly for everyone. Let me know if you run across any more glitches.

[PoorManQ45]

Let me know if you run across any more glitches.

There's this annoying troll on the board.. He's bugging members and pretending to know things that he really doesn't. His username is PoorManQ45, is there anything we can do?

At first I was like then I was like then I was like and then and then finally

[ADDirishboy]

Did Brien just come out? WTF?

[Encryptshun]

Did Brien just come out? WTF?

All this talk of ram and long, slow loads finally pushed him over the edge.

[Dattebayo]

Just tried to use "quick reply" twice and it did not post anything at all. Finally did "post reply" and it worked.

[Jesda]

All this talk of ram and long, slow loads finally pushed him over the edge.

[Encryptshun]

Jesda, wake me up before you go go.