Wasted a new Eclipse V6

[aleph1]

I did a totally legit race with my friends 2000 V6 Stang manual, wasted em 3 times in a row. end of debate. If you really want, I can get him to register and come on and say that he lost. He hates his mustang, but his dad got it for him (and family) so he could drive to work/school, since his 4AG in his aw11 threw a rod, I believe he just got an engine for it =)

[NeedCAforS13]

OK... here's how it goes (**according to Road & Track**)

1996 240sx SE (S14): quarter mile: 16.1 @ 85.3 mph : 0 - 60: 8.1 Seconds

2000 Eclipse GS V6: quarter mile: 15.3 @ 91.4 mph : 0 - 60: 7.0 Seconds

1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GST: quarter mile: 15.0 @ 94.7 mph : 0 - 60: 6.4 Seconds

These times are by professional race car drivers... I'm 99.99% sure you WILL NOT BEAT THEM with stock cars... and no an intake and exhaust won't drop you down to a 15.3 quarter or take a second off your 0-60 times either :rolleyes

and 90ka24de:



your car is slow (so is mine). period. stop all the bs. :bsface

Sean

[tl1000sga]

I did a totally legit race with my friends 2000 V6 Stang manual, wasted em 3 times in a row. end of debate. If you really want, I can get him to register and come on and say that he lost. He hates his mustang, but his dad got it for him (and family) so he could drive to work/school, since his 4AG in his aw11 threw a rod, I believe he just got an engine for it =)

Yeah, Iforgot to mention that my ex has had numerous problems with her 01' V6 stang and I know for a fact it gets around 18 mpg. That really sucks. She hates it and wants to buy a new car bad. It's funny, I remember how much she used to love mustangs, but now she hates them and says she'll never buy another one.:freak

[aleph1]

OK... here's how it goes (**according to Road & Track**)

1996 240sx SE (S14): quarter mile: 16.1 @ 85.3 mph : 0 - 60: 8.1 Seconds

2000 Eclipse GS V6: quarter mile: 15.3 @ 91.4 mph : 0 - 60: 7.0 Seconds

1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GST: quarter mile: 15.0 @ 94.7 mph : 0 - 60: 6.4 Seconds

These times are by professional race car drivers... I'm 99.99% sure you WILL NOT BEAT THEM with stock cars... and no an intake and exhaust won't drop you down to a 15.3 quarter or take a second off your 0-60 times either :rolleyes

There are many people on these boards that get better than a 16.1sec 1/4mile either stock and/or with just minor bolt ons. Therefore your evidence is nullified.

It all depends on: driver skill, temperature, altitude, engine condition, tires, etc....many factors, YOU CANT TAKE ONE TIME AND MAKE IT THE STANDARD. You can only get a ruff estimate and try to make an educated guess on times and such. Or you can actually go to the track and find out with you and your own car.

[NeedCAforS13]

you show me a time slip for a stock s14 running better than a 16.1 and I'll agree with you. You're thinking of s13's which DO run faster than that... but the original poster (the guy claiming to have "wasted" a new eclipse) drives: "Car: Red '96 240SX"

and my evidence is not nullified. car and driver accounts for temperature, altitude, and other things. you WILL NOT beat their times on a *stock* s14.

Sean

[jrc90240sx]

Ok the v6 mustang dose not weight 3600lbs its 3100lbs.GT weight 3400lbsCobra weights 3800lbs

either they had an auto and dont know how to race, or had one lemon of a mustang.

Car and driver times for a 99 v6 is 15.5 1/4 mile. 98 and older run 18 something. i belive your race comes down to you had to be there to see why you won. because i have a fully built engine, cam, ecu, intake, exhuast, pulley and still lost to my friend and it wasnt because of bad driving he was clearly faster then me. i mean i could take him off the line but after the shift to second he would pull past my front bumper and just keep going from there. yeah i have a 90 that are supose to run about a 16.7 but with all i have done i should be much faster and i still lost badly. i am sure there are people that have beat them but i imagine they where Auto (80% of them are) and they didnt know how to drive it.

[Sliding_S14]

you guys are forgetting... this wasnt from a stop light... this was on the freeway! from 65mph to 90mph id beleive the 240 could have pulled the gt, the 240's got a lot of grab in 3rd gear especially at 5krpm's (3rd gear at 65mph for me is bout 5krpm's)why'd you only race up to 90mph? you slow down? imo the eclipse should have been starting to pull. and cant really say its a race 65-90 goes by in a snap, he could have been waiting for you to break ahead so he could reel you in...

I dont shift at 6k because i feel to much torq loss, and as for the grab after the shift i have problems not sliding my tires shifting into 3rd with over 80% tread left. even slide them when i got 2 passangers, but im not an se so i have no LSD.

[cory2081]

Boy oh boy. Look here all of you who don't believe that I beat an Eclipse GT. I am an accomplished racer, I have built many many cars, probably been in more street races than most of you (I'm probably older as well) I beat that POS legitimatly. I also beat a new Civic SI that had intake/exhaust. I dunno what's wrong with the 240s you people are driving, but, mine is pretty quick. It's by far the slowest car I have ever owned, but, my other cars were a highly modified '87 Buick GN and a '99 Mustang GT with a few bolt-ons. I know a thing or two about cars and I also know that magazines are full of ****. The Eclips GT only has 45hp more than a stock 240 and it weighs almost 500lbs more. Do the math, it's not about power.....it's power to weight ratio that can win a race. My GN weighed about 3,600 and had over 400RWHP. If my 240 had that much power, it would kill my GN b/c it's lighter. I only raced him to 90 b/c he quit. I slowed down and he just went past. I revved to see if he wanted more and he just kept on going. He knew who his daddy was. I'll have to find one and video tape me whipping it so all can see.

[tl1000sga]

That's what they call street racing. I have never been in a street race that was "fair". I believe you cory, I have raced a couple eclipse gt's and seen numerous ones at the track. They aren't as bad as everyone thinks they are. They're just heavier shells of the cars they used to be.:freak

[NeedCAforS13]

Look here all of you who don't believe that I beat an Eclipse GT.

I still don't!

Quote »I am an accomplished racer, I have built many many cars, probably been in more street races than most of you [/quote]really? lets see some trophies or pictures or some sort of credible evidence to back up that statement of accomplishment? oh wait, you mean *street racer*? well then DAMN! you SHOULD be able to beat the times of REAL RACE CAR DRIVERS like those employed by Car & Driver, Motor Trend, and Road & Track! What was I thinking questioning a *GREAT* street racer like you?

Quote »I dunno what's wrong with the 240s you people are driving, but, mine is pretty quick. [/quote] you must have the *super special- street racing* edition 240sx:rolleyes

Quote »I also know that magazines are full of ****. [/quote] man, those stupid magazines with their expensive equipment, excellent drivers, and an unlimited ammount of track time have NO IDEA how to drive as well as you do!

Quote »The Eclips GT only has 45hp more than a stock 240 and it weighs almost 500lbs more. Do the math, it's not about power.....it's power to weight ratio that can win a race. [/quote] well I don't have to do the math, Road & Track already *tested* it for me and NEWSFLASH: the eclipse won!:eek:

Quote »I'll have to find one and video tape me whipping it so all can see. [/quote] yes you will, because until you have a video of a stock s14 "wasting" an eclipse, you are wrong (according to the FACTS, not my opinion!)

Sean

[tl1000sga]

Ok the v6 mustang dose not weight 3600lbs its 3100lbs.GT weight 3400lbsCobra weights 3800lbs

either they had an auto and dont know how to race, or had one lemon of a mustang.

Car and driver times for a 99 v6 is 15.5 1/4 mile. 98 and older run 18 something. i belive your race comes down to you had to be there to see why you won. because i have a fully built engine, cam, ecu, intake, exhuast, pulley and still lost to my friend and it wasnt because of bad driving he was clearly faster then me. i mean i could take him off the line but after the shift to second he would pull past my front bumper and just keep going from there. yeah i have a 90 that are supose to run about a 16.7 but with all i have done i should be much faster and i still lost badly. i am sure there are people that have beat them but i imagine they where Auto (80% of them are) and they didnt know how to drive it.

First of all, I was averaging. I wieghed my girls stang and it wieghed 3348 lbs, my friend has a 03' cobra which wieghs 4036 lbs. And, yes these are actual wieghts, not some number in a magazine that I read. Second, You don't have to be skilled to drive an auto for acceleration purposes, especially with only 190 hp. Third, why are you quoteing a magazine? Those times aren't accurate for all worldly purposes, only for that race and those conditions. Maybe you should watch a few races instead of reading magazines and get some experiences of your own instead of believeing everything you read.

[tl1000sga]

OK... here's how it goes (**according to Road & Track**)

1996 240sx SE (S14): quarter mile: 16.1 @ 85.3 mph : 0 - 60: 8.1 Seconds

2000 Eclipse GS V6: quarter mile: 15.3 @ 91.4 mph : 0 - 60: 7.0 Seconds

1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GST: quarter mile: 15.0 @ 94.7 mph : 0 - 60: 6.4 Seconds

These times are by professional race car drivers... I'm 99.99% sure you WILL NOT BEAT THEM with stock cars... and no an intake and exhaust won't drop you down to a 15.3 quarter or take a second off your 0-60 times either :rolleyes

and 90ka24de:

your car is slow (so is mine). period. stop all the bs. :bsface

Sean

There are a few guys on here with stock S14's that have run 15.5Don't believe everything you read, especially from a magazine that makes money from the markets of the cars they quote.

:rolleyes

[jrc90240sx]

tl1000sga - i am going off my expirence, my friends v6 kicks my ***, even after all the stuff i have done. the fastest i have seen a v6 stock 99+ stang run in utah is about 16.6 witch if you put in the good old math for elivation change gets you about a 15.8 so .3 tens off the mags time, not all bad. also there have been acouple 240sx run, 2 SR swaps, 1st stock, maybe new exhuast, the other with uped boost and FMIC, then one KAde with bolt-ons. SRs ran 15s, 14s and the KAde 240 ran 17.7 if i remember right. also i have seen eclipse GTs run 16's here. its always hard for me to belive someones time with an almost stock car that runs almost 1 second faster then the a pro driver could muster when the car was new. even on the freeway when me and my friend would go from a 55-60mph roll he would still get about 1 car on me be the time we had to shift. fords ECU is setup to shift the transmission at some really crapy shift points and it also lets the tourque converter slip all the time lossing power. the auto mustangs can only run a mod/low 16, and there are ways to drive an auto faster then just pushing on the gas.

[NeedCAforS13]

he's not believing everything he reads (neither am I)... If he was quoting 'honda tuner" or "super street" I'd agree with you... but its Car & Driver for christ sake. THEY DO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING!

Quote »There are a few guys on here with stock S14's that have run 15.5[/quote]

tell me who! or are they guy's like the original poster of this thread? or maybe someone like 90ka24de?;) All I'm saying is show me some time slips...

Quote »especially from a magazine that makes money from the markets of the cars the quote.[/quote]

thats just so ignorant I'm not even going to touch it! Do you really think Road & Track gets payoffs from car companies to *mis-quote* times... seriously, give me a break:rolleyes

Quote »I wieghed my girls stang and it wieghed 3348 lbs, my friend has a 03' cobra which wieghs 4036 lbs. And, yes these are actual wieghts, not some number in a magazine that I read. [/quote]

I'm sure their numbers are correct and yours are wrong. Did you have some cinder blocks in the trunk maybe? a dead body;) They use either expensive measuring equipment, and/or manufacturer's data... which is probably alot more accurate than the scale you used (where did you measure this anyways, its not like you could just drag your mustang onto a bathroom scale!:))

I'm not meaning to call anyone stupid here, Its just that do you realize how ridiculous some of your claims are? We're not talking stupid ricer magazines, we're talking about the finest automotive magazines out there! They don't just make up stuff...

Sean

[tl1000sga]

thats just so ignorant I'm not even going to touch it! Do you really think Road & Track gets payoffs from car companies to *mis-quote* times... seriously, give me a break:rolleyes



I'm sure their numbers are correct and yours are wrong. Did you have some cinder blocks in the trunk maybe? a dead body;) They use either expensive measuring equipment, and/or manufacturer's data... which is probably alot more accurate than the scale you used (where did you measure this anyways, its not like you could just drag your mustang onto a bathroom scale!:))

I'm not meaning to call anyone stupid here, Its just that do you realize how ridiculous some of your claims are? We're not talking stupid ricer magazines, we're talking about the finest automotive magazines out there! They don't just make up stuff...

Sean

I said "from the markets of the cars they are quoteing", I didn't say the companies were paying them off or making things up. Ponder that for a while, I'm sure you can handle it.

As far as where I wieghed the cars, How about Engelhard, the corp. I work for. A multi-billion corporation that gets taxed and fined if thier scales aren't 100% accurate. And yes thecars were cleaned out.

You missed my point, When it comes to racing, there are so many factors that it's stupid not to realize that anything is possible.

Are you really that nieve? Go back to your "exact" world where everything is is always perfect and always the same.

SSSHHHHHHH, slow down and take all this in slowly, then ponder it for awhile, and finally..........SHUT THE **** UP, NOBODY CARES IF YOU DON"T BELIEVE THIS GUY OR ABOUT YOUR BASHING OF SOMETHING YOU ONLY ASSUME TO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT BECAUSE YOU READ IT.

:rolleyes :freak

[Onizuka]

Its perfectly valid to use a printed (and very respected) source for information over what someone claims on the internet.

Of course its posible for the less fast car to win, but thats it, its just a posibility (it probably wont happen most of the time).

[tl1000sga]

true

[NeedCAforS13]

your wording was at BEST vague and hard to understand...

Quote »Don't believe everything you read, especially from a magazine that makes money from the markets of the cars they quote.[/quote]

that sure sounds like you're accusing the magazine of being sneaky or at least bending the truth...

Quote »Are you really that nieve? Go back to your "exact" world where everything is is always perfect and always the same. [/quote]

yep, I'm a moron. I'll go back to my "exact" world where people use *REAL* factual data to draw conclusions (whoa, thats what educated intelligent people do!:thinker) rather than listen to some guy on a message board rant about how his 240 can kick every other car's a$$...

and sorry, wasn't bashing. just presenting the facts... damn what a horrible idea:rolleyes ok guys, resume making up stories about how you can whup that Porsche your neighbor owns with your stock 240's...

Sean

[Sliding_S14]

Porsche? lets not go there! I had a bad experince...

naw just was messin with a looked to be late 80's turbo'd 911,i can vouch that almost stock 240's cant touch em.

[tl1000sga]

your wording was at BEST vague and hard to understand...

Sean

Yes, I know. :rolleyes

[NeedCAforS13]

lol, just making sure we were on the same page there;) I can see where you are coming from with factory reported weights possibly being off, but I'm not sure I'm buying it... granted Nissan says the skyline makes 276hp, so...anything's possible

Sean

[NeedCAforS13]

SSSHHHHHHH, slow down and take all this in slowly, then ponder it for awhile, and finally..........SHUT THE **** UP

oh and for future reference, while I'm a nice guy and don't get offended easily, I'd HIGHLY suggest AGAINST telling other moderators *cough* AZHitman *cough* to shut the **** up;)... they might not like it too much... (but again, I'm an idiot, what do I know:rolleyes)

Sean

[NeverEnuff]

ooo i can beat a porsche hehe a 914 and 912 and 356 all with a stock 240sx

[Onizuka]

I beat a non-turbo 944

[NeedCAforS13]

hahahaha! damnit shoulda used Ferrari instead of Porsche!:)

Sean

[tl1000sga]

oh and for future reference, while I'm a nice guy and don't get offended easily, I'd HIGHLY suggest AGAINST telling other moderators *cough* AZHitman *cough* to shut the **** up;)... they might not like it too much... (but again, I'm an idiot, what do I know:rolleyes)

Sean

Thanks for the advice, but I couldn't care less about what people I don't care about think about me. Everyone is entitled to thier opinion. Nor do titles mean anything to me. Not to say that I'm not respectful, but I don't give respect to people who aren't respectful themselves, regardless of thier title. And yes, I would agree that you seem to be a nice guy and you obviously don't get offended easily, but you are a smartass. I don't get offended easily either, but a lot of people mistake my demeanor as anger.

[NeedCAforS13]

you are a smartass

I try:D

but I'm glad you weren't pissed off... thats the last thing I was trying to do! just providing food for thought I guess you could say...

Sean

[TachyonS14]

I beat a non-turbo 944

My friends stock 95' civic ex can beat a 944 :pface

They don't live up to their name...

[aleph1]

I dont understand why some of you are so adamant about not believing cory. I think if he was able to build up a 450hp GN, he knows what he is talking about.

I think the numbers of the Eclipse GT and 240SX are so close that its kinda a toss up slightly in the GT favor. I believe it is very possible to have a legit race where the 240SX wins.

As for the 99+ V6 stangs, Its funny how those of you who werent able to beat them claim its pretty much not possible. I did THE MOST LEGIT race ever against one (it was on video, but im sure its long gone now, it was like 8 months ago), my friend and I set it up on a long stretch of road in a business park at about 11pm. He is a decent racer (not the BEST, but good), he owns an AW11 (which is very fun to drive, its neck and neck with that car and my 240). Its a 2000 V6 MANUAL! All I can say is that he was far enough behind where I could see his headlights in my rear view mirror. We raced 3 times in a row, to make sure, and I won all three. You can believe what you want and live in fantasy land, but I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever about this, since I experienced it. NOTE- this was with my older 240SX (an S13 hatch), all it had was a short ram intake.

[Onizuka]

I dont understand why some of you are so adamant about not believing cory. I think if he was able to build up a 450hp GN, he knows what he is talking about.

I do belive cory, but if i were on the road, and saw a random stock 240 and a random stock eclipse GT line up to race, i would put my money on the GT. The numbers favor the GT.

I certainly think the 240sx is a better car though