Want freedom? Want liberty? UPDATE

[AppleBonker]

Win what? What is the alternative? How would they lose?

[AZhitman]

Are you claiming you are an expert?

What if I was?

That wouldn't alter the point I was making.

Let's be honest here, have we seen a history of violence out of a segment of the Muslim population? What would we expect to happen if we taunt/tease them?

Are you perpetuating a stereotype? Are you PROFILING???

"What would we expect to happen?" Really? That's some apologist thinking right there, brotha.

[stebo0728]

They win because we start to question ourselves, and our values, based upon their violent tendancy

Guess I should say winning, not won, won has a somewhat finite feel to it.

[AppleBonker]

Are you perpetuating a stereotype? Are you PROFILING???

Nope. And you recognized that I wasn't.

"What would we expect to happen?" Really? That's some apologist thinking right there, brotha.

Knowing something is going to happen isn't a defense of it. Again, I'm not defending anyone here. But nothing that happened is shocking at all.

They win because we start to question ourselves, and our values

Hmm. A lot of things cause me to question myself. I seem to always be reevaluating. I'm still not seeing the win for the terrorists.

And, I'm still interested in what you would consider to be the terrorists "losing"...

[AZhitman]

The bottom line is this: We'll burn whatever we damn well please. I think that pastor in FL is a wackjob nutcase - but he has every right to carry out his silly little theatrical bonfire, as long as he does so in accordance with all federal, state and local laws.

If Hamid Karzai doesn't like it, he can STFU and go burn an American flag or something.

My point was, the morons in the first linked story are attacking EACH OTHER - they don't even know what the hell they're mad about!

You want to have democracy, freedom, liberty, MTV, baseball, Levi's, Chevrolets and mom's apple pie? Well, guess what? You're gonna have to deal with SOME fringe groups saying / doing things you might not like.

Deal with it.

[IBCoupe]

I don't think they asked us to bring them democracy.

[AZhitman]

I didn't say they did. But according to my homey Anderson Cooper, there's a lot of them wanting it.

[srellim234]

Might not be the same ones.

[AZhitman]

That's fine too.

Good thing our liberties aren't dependent on their desires (or lack thereof).

It's unfortunate that the media chose to cover the pastor's nonsense.

Nice article on the topic here: http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/fo ... 6_ST_N.htm

[IBCoupe]

I can't tell who we're supposed to be mad at anymore.

[szh]

I can't tell who we're supposed to be mad at anymore.

I think it is obvious: it is all Bush's fault!

Z

[AZhitman]

^ ...I... well, ...but...

Yep. That.

[szh]

Z

[AZhitman]

So, check THIS out - Look who's parroting my points.

BILL F***ING MAHER. Really? Yes, really.

Is Bill Maher following me on Twitter? I think he just might be. Watch (and then go back and read my first few posts here):

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBCcyFHd ... detailpage[/youtube]

Bill, I'm not a fan. Never have been. But BIG KUDOS to you for getting it right this time. Nicely-done, sir.

[heliochrome85]

his final monologue in that episode was fantastic. AND DID YOU SEE MY BOY ANDREW SULLIVAN>?!?!! HE WAS MARVELOUS.

[BusyBadger]

Bill, I'm not a fan. Never have been. But BIG KUDOS to you for getting it right this time.

Maher just quoted Dubya (actually his speechwriter, Michael Gerson) in a positive light...I suppose anything is possible. I've never been a fan of Maher, but tune in from time to time just see the talking points and guests. I'll always watch when Christopher Hitchens pays a visit though. Speaking of which...

Here's a piece by Christopher Hitchens about Karzai's response to the burning.

[AZhitman]

I'll just sit here quietly until I get my props.

[IBCoupe]

So, check THIS out - Look who's parroting my points.

BILL F***ING MAHER. Really? Yes, really.

Is Bill Maher following me on Twitter? I think he just might be. Watch (and then go back and read my first few posts here):

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBCcyFHd ... detailpage[/youtube]

Bill, I'm not a fan. Never have been. But BIG KUDOS to you for getting it right this time. Nicely-done, sir.

Know what I saw in that video? A bunch of white people sitting around saying Muslims don't condemn other Muslims enough.

Also, something to keep in mind: the troubling part about Pakistan, nukes, and Islamic extremism isn't that Pakistan is a country run by Islamist extremists with nukes - it's that it's sitting next to India, who also has nukes, and they're just the very best of friends.

[heliochrome85]

its true, india and pakistan love to hug.

[IBCoupe]

I'm gonna India-Pakistan you at Carlisle. Watch yo'self!

[srellim234]

I had to revive this thread after coming across this article. We're going to protest burning Qurans by........burning more Qurans!!!!!

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Sou ... g-violence

Those mullahs who incited those riots must be very proud of what they accomplished.

[AZhitman]

I reiterate my prior point. If something pisses you off, we're gonna do it. We're Americans. That's how we roll.

Don't like it? Piss off.

[jbracy7]

bigg props boss, i to have have strong feelings about this but AZ hits it on the head, i lit my bbq with page 36 of said muslim book,on easter, i wipe my self with the rest of it daily,so there! can any one do any thing to stop me! nope! dont like it go protest that so i can get 15 min mins of fame.

[IBCoupe]