vr6 vs 240

[Turb0wned]

well im thinking were probally going to race once of the hole then rolling at 20 like he will want to and im not telling him about the 7psi.... lol

[sci0n]

hahaha...

where I live there is a straightaway on this road by the powerplant called possum point, some guys marked off 1/4 mile, and my friend has a 89 SR20DET 240, so we get there to race this crappy gutted civic hatch, which is like a 96 so my friends car looks like a POS and my friend spent all of his money on the motor swap, so his looks completley stock, and the civic guy is just laughing his *** off, and has a freaking coffee can strapped to his exhaust and so he revvs it, and all his friends are laughing at us, and theyre all popular in school so all the girls are laughing too.

so then i go to flag it, and motion for the civic to rev, and he does, and gets more laughs. so i signal for my friend to rev, and he just brings it up low, so you can't hear the turbo kick in. which draws more laughs, the prick in the civic is like LOL WHY AM I GONNA WASTE MY TIME ON THIS KID. and turns towards the chicks to say something, then my friend revs it all the way and you can hear the turbo.... MMMM damn. the kid looked back over like completley shocked. looked like he pooped himself. so i flagged it, and of course, my friend womped him. and now all the girls are all over him.

the point in that story is: own the d!ck who think their car owns because they gutted it and their parents bought it for them.

just a little story to get you amped i guess. OH YEA, and DONT UNDERESTIMATE THE POWA OF TEH 240!!!1oneoneelevenshiftshift

[DriftFactory]

HAHAHAHA, I love stories like that. lol

[hannibal]

dont sleep on the VR6. but stay under 10psi and make it a race!

[sr20det]

NICE JOB Heres my story of the day.1 yr ago i still have my red 1991 240sx with hicas which comes with vsld and the car was in a accident on the rear drivers side so it look so stock fromt he exterior but i spent 5000 $$ on the s13 redtop motor which i got 3 inch pipe and 5zigen rocket exhaust cat, greddy fmic vspl, greddy pulley kit, blitz dd bov, spec stage 3 clutch, turbo XS manual boost controller, mines ecu #E5 ( tis is for a black top s13 1994 to 1996), and SAFC tuned at 14 psi with T28 BB turbo running at 270 wrhp so its 350hp to the flywheel, and off course my car looks all stock exterior with no boost gauge because i hide them inside my glove box same with SAFC so if you look at my car is all stock, interior and exteroir. My friend went up to this one Camero SuperCharge American guy and ask him if he wants to race and he said yes so which car is he racing my friend point a finger towards me and off course his friends they were all laughing because my car looks all stock in and out. SO he ask me to line up so we did line up and i heard American guys laughing on the side of the street so i like damn his Camero SuperCharge must be quick so when my friend wave his hands to rev the engine i did and the turbo wasnt all that loud but we lunch and i rev too high so first gear took my 3 sec or so to shift to 2nd but as soon as i finish with 3rd gear i pull his Camero SuperCharge by 3 cars than the 4th Gear i put on my emergency lights and taken the victory. WHen i got back those American guys werent laughing at me no more. AHAHHAHAH. No i have 1989 240sx with s13 black top with s15 turbo and its no longer a drag car its modify for drift.

[sidewaySilvia]

Great, nice set up and congrats, but what does that have to do about vr6 to 240 comparison or opinion on this race... And don't say "moral" of the story, either

[Scorch]

i drive my dad's 2002 vr6 from time to time around town. its nice knowing i can beat 80 % of whats on the road

[9240sx]

I beat my friends 96 jetta vr6 5speed with intake,and thats when my car still had the ka24de motor with intake,exhaust,header,pulley,and 110,000 miles,I had it running great.the front of his car was at the back of my bumper at the top of 3rd,he beat me off the line pretty good,but i pulled up in 2nd and 3rd gear.And im not done with sr20 swap yet,The sr20 is a alot faster motor then the ka,So I know you will win for sure!!Id bet money on you

[Doomed2Walk]

Not sure how the VR6 is, I hear great things. 1.8Ts are a bit sluggish. You probably only need to be boosting 12PSI, don't want to max out the injectors.

[sr20det]

1996 Volkswagen GTI2 Dr VR6 Hatchback View 1996 Styles Dimensions Exterior Length: 160.4 in. Width: 66.7 in. Height: 56.2 in. Wheel Base: 97.4 in. Ground Clearance: 4.8 in. Curb Weight: 2811 lbs.

Interior Front Head Room: 37.5 in. Front Shoulder Room: 54 in. Rear Head Room: 37.4 in. Rear Shoulder Room: 54.6 in. Front Leg Room: 42.3 in. Rear Leg Room: 31.5 in. Luggage Capacity: 17.5 cu. ft. Maximum Seating: 5 Performance Data Performance Base Number of Cylinders: 6 Base Engine Size: 2.8 liters Base Engine Type: V6 Horsepower: 172 hp Max Horsepower: 5800 rpm Torque: 173 ft-lbs. Max Torque: 4200 rpm Drive Type: FWD Turning Circle: 34.2 ft.

Fuel Data Fuel Fuel Tank Capacity: 14.5 gal. EPA Mileage Estimates: (City/Highway) Manual: 19 mpg / 26 mpg Automatic: : 18 mpg / 24 mpg Range in Miles: (City/Highway) Automatic: 261 mi. / 348 mi. Manual: 275.5 mi. / 377 mi.

[sr20det]

You will win after viewing this data of GTI VR6.. SR20det = 205 hp and 203 lbs of torgue at 7 psi stock, with FMIC, Exhaust, you'll hit 230 hp about 173 wrhp and of course your car weight 2650 lbs. so no way you can lose at 7 psi. Good Luck hope this is good info about the car you racing.

[WhItES13]

How does 230hp at the crank turn into 173rwhp? He should be putting more than that down if he has 230 crank hp.

[Turb0wned]

well im hoping to have my FMIC done and put in my car by late next week or early the next week ill let everyone know what happens it is a pretty scary car after he gave me a ride in it i was suprised at how nice it pulled but im pretty sure ill beat him at 12-14 psi

[sidewaySilvia]

Ok , everyone is getting a bit ahead of themselves here.. #1 .. Is anyone here reading the initial thread!!!!!!!!!!!! We are not comparing stock vr6 to a stock ka... We are comparing a slightly modified vr6 to a stock sr20det.#2 with all said and done, both of these cars, as described through the authors input of the thread, will be basically be putting down nearly the same to the flywheel(if boost is raised to at least 11-12psi). Vr6 is roughly 100lbs heavier and FWD of course . 240 has slight advantage with weight, aerodynamic , and RWD.#3. IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THE DRIVER!!! . I Drive both of these vehicles , nearly identical to the author's description and the way I personally feel is . If I catch my .6 reaction in my jetta and stretch my gears the way I practice , I could take an amateur 240racer w/sr20det.. I feel the same about my 240sr20 , I have raced the vr6 and have won(the thing l00ked and sounded totally stock though) .. F l] C K IT , we'll jus have to await the outcome.. Not one particular racer in this event is a "DEFINITE" winner. :-p

[sidewaySilvia]

If you are now going to throw a beefy FMIC in there you will have a greater edge..

But wait, my fine feather friend!! , if you are not use to racing your 240 @ this boost rate , with a new mod (being the FMIC) you could easily loose the race as well .. There are many sides to the spectrum .. Hmmm?

[MarkEmark]

my buddy has a 96 VR6 Jetta. All it has is an upgraded clutch and a filter. Let me tell ya,that thing is quick! No lie here,but he beat a new RX-8 and pulled from 2nd till 5th on an 03 Vette.

So,my money is on the VR6.sorry

I'm sorry, I just think that's so unbelievable. Unless the vette driver was driving an automatic convertible and wasn't trying at all, or was severely handicapped, that jetta would have been DESTROYED. '03 C5 vettes have 350 horsepower, hit 60 in 4.9 seconds and run a 13.4 @ 107.5 mph. I'd be very surprised if a '96 Jetta hit 60 in faster than 7.0 seconds and did any better than a 15.5 second quarter mile. EDIT-Just found that a '98 GTI VR6 only hit 60 in 7.1 seconds. VR6 jettas are not fast, period, I don't care what mods it has. In fact, come to think of it, no Jettas are fast...that's why it's a freakin' jetta-basically the german competitor for the civic. VR6's of that year are WEAK. 173 horsepower from a 2.8 liter? Wow...that's only 18 more horsepower than a stock KA four cylinder.

Like someone already said, that S13 should walk ALL OVER that GTI all day long...100 pounds lighter, 25 more horsepower (stock), a lot better top-end. If I got beat by a VR6 GTI I would be incredibly embarrassed...even when my KA was n/a. Even the new Golf R32 is unimpressive--6.0 seconds to 60, and that's with 240 hp!

[IvoryJ30t]

my grandmother drives a 2001 VR6 jetta. its not that fast.

i usually have to turn the ASR off, and its a little lax on the horsepower. the torque is good, but after 90 its not as strong.

[sidewaySilvia]

I have a daily driver 98 jetta vr6 glx.. MarkEmark , you were pretty accurate with your comparisons EXCEPT , the jetta has Top End!!! That would be the 240's downfall , but these guys are racing the 1/4 , where the 240 has a good chance with it's low end torque .. That's why I love these cars.. And for the corner lean dawg! ;-)

I give props to people who speak the truth about the jetta.. This is a nissan forum (240 thread) of course everyone is going to say the 2-4-0 , but i'm a realist . And I believe redhatchback , the same way I believe my boy panther who witnessed the kapowered s14 crush an evo3 at the track.. It's all the driver.. Another thing , ivoryj30t you are so wrong if you think those jettas are slow . I work @ a nissan dealership and have driven all the nissans , all the mazda's , and a handful of toyotas and I wouldn't make the statement you did.. You start up what is known as propaganda and "heresay".. If you compare some of the cars on the market in specs that's 1 thing, but if you have actually driven them that's another.. In comparison to your maxima (fast as hell , I love and your j30 (very quick too) yes the jetta would seem slow.. But to someone who has only driven ferraris .. Corvette z06's and porsche gt3 would seem slow , don't ya think

[IvoryJ30t]

i dont even have the j30 anymore, it was a project, and got stolen from a storage yard in the bronx. i was gonna go either vg30dett, or rb26dett, but now im saving up for next year.

most likely gonna turbo a vh45, and have an adapter made for the vg30dett transmission.

i have to find a silver j30t with black leather for the next project.i dont want another ivory one, i think the silver looks better because i love the black interior in the J.

im building a 92 mitsu GSX for the winter. i paid 1000 for the car, and its getting a transmission, big16g, evo manifold, injectors, blah blah blah...

this is the 4th DSM ive built, and the 2nd ive owned.

ill be in the 12's with this one for about $4,500 thats including the cost of the car.

the fact of my statement is that STOCK, the VR6's arent that fast.[for me, fast is running 13's or quicker]

hell, when i had my second gen acura legend, a gti vr6 with exhaust [all that i could see] couldnt pull away from me. this was on a straight, wide highway [I-684]. i ran with him to 130, and we were dead even the whole time. my legend was bone stock at that point, with 125k miles and an auto.

[MarkEmark]

I have a daily driver 98 jetta vr6 glx.. MarkEmark , you were pretty accurate with your comparisons EXCEPT , the jetta has Top End!!! That would be the 240's downfall , but these guys are racing the 1/4 , where the 240 has a good chance with it's low end torque .. That's why I love these cars.. And for the corner lean dawg! ;-)

I give props to people who speak the truth about the jetta.. This is a nissan forum (240 thread) of course everyone is going to say the 2-4-0 , but i'm a realist . And I believe redhatchback , the same way I believe my boy panther who witnessed the kapowered s14 crush an evo3 at the track.. It's all the driver.. Another thing , ivoryj30t you are so wrong if you think those jettas are slow . I work @ a nissan dealership and have driven all the nissans , all the mazda's , and a handful of toyotas and I wouldn't make the statement you did.. You start up what is known as propaganda and "heresay".. If you compare some of the cars on the market in specs that's 1 thing, but if you have actually driven them that's another.. In comparison to your maxima (fast as hell , I love and your j30 (very quick too) yes the jetta would seem slow.. But to someone who has only driven ferraris .. Corvette z06's and porsche gt3 would seem slow , don't ya think

Top end would be the KA's downfall...not the SR's downfall...IIRC they redline at 7000 rpm and make pretty impressive top-end power. VR6's have peak horsepower at 5800 rpm...That's not THAT high in the RPM band ("top end")...But, they could still make a good amount of power past 5800 even if it's not peak power. What do the VR6's redline at, 6500?

I'm just saying that an SR s13 STOCK should beat a VR6 GTI stock (25 more hp, 100 pounds lighter)...@ 10 psi the 240 should walk all over the VR6..But like you said accurately, it's all about the driver.

[IvoryJ30t]

on top of the fact that over the last few years, volkswagens quality has taken a crap. i know 3 people that have jettas, and all of them have had major repair under warranty.

my grandmothers 01 vr6 only has 16k miles on it, and its been to the dealer 4 times for malfunctions/breakdowns.

the quality is not there.

personally, i think volkswagen is a joke.

i wouldnt own one if it was free.

im not trying to offend anyone, its just my opinion.

i dislike volkswagen the way alot of people dislike honda, they just dont do it for me.

[wootwoot]

vr6 even with those bolt ons doesnt have **** on an all stock sr20 in an s13. i drive a gti vr6 as well as my 240 with the sr. stock i ran a 14.9 and with the things he has done to his car he will not run below a 14.7vr6's dont respond terribly well to the general bolt ons.some of you guys sure are ****y though =Phow about we dont internet race and just do it in real life

[D-UNIT]

I say you might get rubbed at 7 psi but still turn out the victor. You see my friend has a chipped 92 cabriolet. On 13'' "old" slicks he ran a 14.8et. On 17'' rims with 80$ Kumhos he ran a 15.0 et at 89 mph. Granted I think the cabrio is 300 lbs. heavier than a GTI. You still have a fighting chance. Just not at stock boost. Jetta's are the suck , but GTIs are a little faster.

[MarkEmark]

I say you might get rubbed at 7 psi but still turn out the victor. You see my friend has a chipped 92 cabriolet. On 13'' "old" slicks he ran a 14.8et. On 17'' rims with 80$ Kumhos he ran a 15.0 et at 89 mph. Granted I think the cabrio is 300 lbs. heavier than a GTI. You still have a fighting chance. Just not at stock boost. Jetta's are the suck , but GTIs are a little faster.

'92 cabriolets barely had 100 horsepower. A chipped '92 that is not further modified would never run a 14.8 quarter mile. They're one of the slowest cars built. I bet it takes 10 seconds for a stock '92 cabriolet to hit 60.

As long as the SR owner is a good driver, even at stock boost, I think you'd take him....more horsepower, 150 less pounds, rear wheel drive...

[D-UNIT]

No, no my friend. Cabby's do the 1/4 in 18sec flat. I hope you realise that I am talking "VR6's" and not some POS 96hp 1.8liter engine. Why do you think that engine got yanked. haha. Ultimate sleeper. "it just a girls car" ya right.

[MarkEmark]

No, no my friend. Cabby's do the 1/4 in 18sec flat. I hope you realise that I am talking "VR6's" and not some POS 96hp 1.8liter engine. Why do you think that engine got yanked. haha. Ultimate sleeper. "it just a girls car" ya right.

my bad...you made it sound like it was just a chipped 4 cylinder...

[sidewaySilvia]

Volkswagons have taken a Shi@t 99+ .. Electronic system failures like you wouldn't believe!! . They don't make as good a car as they use to.. That's why I opted for the 98' vr6 ,last in the III gen.. Compare this car to other's in its class. For the price it's not bad , but oh wait this is in fact a 240 froum .. And boy I l0ve me silvy ..

Corrado's are fast @s F Ll C K though (esecially when moderately yuned) ... BTW fellas I'm not a VW enthusiast . I just coincidentally have a long term association with them .. Rabbit's , corrados , and many bora's .

[Phax]

Corrado's are fast @s F Ll C K though (esecially when moderately yuned) ...

:Werd

The first forced-induction car that I ever rode in was a Corrado. That car was way pimp for its time, with the auto-raising rear wing and the whole nine yards. When did that thing come out? Late 80s, early 90s?

[sidewaySilvia]

Well my boy right now has a souped up 1991 corrado. Yeah the wing raises like porsche and some other quick rides @ around 60-65mph .. There is a switch though that he pushes and it will raise the wing an inch or 2.. I wish my 240 had that!!!

[hannibal]

Rode in my boss's 03 GTI VR6 last week (he traded in his BMW 328 coupe for this??). That thing is not slow by any means. Ive never ridden in a SR 240, but from what Ive read, I think this would be a good matchup (SR at stock boost). Definitely comes down to the drivers, especially the launch.