Vid of my Launch Control Setup (title corrected)

[float_6969]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsgTy2LSwo0

[IanS]

[Japanese accent]OOOooooh Misfiring system[/Japanese accent]

FTMFW.

[HashiriyaS14]

Awesome, btw.

It's a real functioning ALS, not something like the Bee*R rev limiter?

[kouki munster]

I keep wanting to setup the launch control feature in my haltech, I doubt that I will ever use it, but it will be fun to f*** with people with it. (it even has a rally anti-lag feature that would be entertaining to fiddle with)

[RCA]

Sounds like hell...

I like it.

[asoomal]

Awesome, btw.

It's a real functioning ALS, not something like the Bee*R rev limiter?

LOL I WAS JUST GONNA POST THAT

[duffman1278]

Giiiiit er dun wit striklend propane!

[RCA]

Wait, that is a 1.8L...

You are going to let allot of people down...

[kouki munster]

Just out of curiosity, what are you using to setup the anti-lag?

[PoorManQ45]

I don't get it.

You're proud that you're dumping a massive amount of fuel in to the exhaust?

I would slap you in the back of the head for getting that crap on the wall if I were the shop owner.

[float_6969]

It's a real functioning ALS, not something like the Bee*R rev limiter?

IDK what you mean, can you elaborate?

I keep wanting to setup the launch control feature in my haltech, I doubt that I will ever use it, but it will be fun to f*** with people with it. (it even has a rally anti-lag feature that would be entertaining to fiddle with)

That's basically why I set mine up, although I do go to the drag strip quite a bit, and this will REALLY help there. Other than at the drag strip, I'll just use it to screw with ricers and scare old lady's. Using it is hard on the turbo and exhaust valves, so I'm not exactly going to be activating it on a daily basis.

Giiiiit er dun wit striklend propane!

LOL! Gotta love Dave, our resident Red-Neck.

Wait, that is a 1.8L...

You are going to let allot of people down...

Um, OK? because it's not an SR?

Just out of curiosity, what are you using to setup the anti-lag?

It's built into the SDS. The revs that the motor can attain and the amount of timing retard are programmable. When I actually go to use it at the track, I probably won't set it up to have it pop that much. That much exhaust pressure sends the boost pressure through the roof and makes it hard to control your launch. In practice, I'll run more revs and less timing retard to attain the amount of power I need to launch and not bog. It's easier on the motor and much more predictable. I basically set it up like that for the video and because it's fun. From a wiring standpoint the SDS is looking for +12v coming into a pin on the ECU. The anti-lag is setup so that when I flip a switch, and depress the clutch, the system will activate. I'm thinking about trying to attach a momentary switch to the shifter because the way it is now, I have to quickly de-activate it after I launch but before I shift into second, OR not push the pedal all the way. Either way it's a bit of a pain the way it's wired now and I'm going to change it.

I don't get it.

You're proud that you're dumping a massive amount of fuel in to the exhaust?

I would slap you in the back of the head for getting that crap on the wall if I were the shop owner.

You wouldn't get it.

I'm not dumping massive amounts of fuel into the exhaust. I'm firing the sparkplug ATDC so that the combustion process is still occurring when the exhaust valve opens.

If you slapped me in the back of the head, I'd through you through that wall with the black stuff on it. The guy making the vid is the shop owner. The black stuff on the wall is from the HUNDREDS of other cars that have been dyno'd there, not my 10 seconds of anti-lag. I do some of the tuning for the owner and that's where I work on my car at as well.

[DrifterXRPS13]

SWEET!!! i so wanted to do this but i'm not sticking with turbos anymore....but nice job and continued luck!

[numbnuts240]

i've always wanted to see a ca in an s14, just the idea of it is bad a** because no one does it. i love those engines.

[Steady_One_S13]

Yeah, that was sick!

Scare and beat them ricers!

[Chaotic_Warlord]

Is the CA enough motor for the S14, after all it is heavier than the S13's and 180's are. Granted it's .2L smaller than the SR, but displacement is one of those power factors that people like to look at. Then again you can probably pick up used CA18's for a fraction of the price of an SR.

[numbnuts240]

well it produces more hp in stock form than the ka does, so i don't see why it wouldn't be enough motor for an s14.

[RCA]

Um, OK? because it's not an SR?

No, because it is going to make ALL that noise and it won't be making much power.People will probably be expecting something fast. ALS on an LS1 never disappoints

Also what is an SR?

well it produces more hp in stock form than the ka does, so i don't see why it wouldn't be enough motor for an s14.

My thoughts exactly.

[DrifterXRPS13]

why would you need als on an ls motor? i thought they are only really setup for forced induction, mainly turbocharging.

[PoorManQ45]

You wouldn't get it.

I'm not dumping massive amounts of fuel into the exhaust. I'm firing the sparkplug ATDC so that the combustion process is still occurring when the exhaust valve opens.

Seriously. Are you stupid? Having the exhaust ports open with unburnt fuel, factoring in inertia, means you are forcing that fuel in to the exhaust. Therefore you are "dumping massive amounts of fuel in to the exhaust"

You are wasting fuel and power. What is the point?

How does this setup help you?

[Morph]

Whats the title of the Video? I cant pull up You Tube directly but i can workaround it through embeded files.

[PoorManQ45]

S14 CA18DET SDS EM4F Anti Lag

[Speedy7_7]

Sorry, thats not anti lag. Cool though

Launch Control, anti lag is during shifts.

And to Poorman, I can understand what your saying, it would be useless for almost anyone. The launch control just limits the rpms so that you can be foot to the floor and not get terrible wheelspin, it also spools the turbo prior to launch.

Anti lag is different, and not used by people who daily drive their cars. If you have anti-lag in your ECU, ignore it, unless you want to be replacing turbos like tires.

[kouki munster]

That's basically why I set mine up, although I do go to the drag strip quite a bit, and this will REALLY help there. Other than at the drag strip, I'll just use it to screw with ricers and scare old lady's. Using it is hard on the turbo and exhaust valves, so I'm not exactly going to be activating it on a daily basis. LOL! Gotta love Dave, our resident Red-Neck.

Its good to see that we are on the same page when it comes to what the main use for an anti lag launch control system is.

What is the point?

The point is so you can build significant boost pressure on an engine with no load on it.(like sitting at a starting line waiting for the lights to drop)

[flohtingPoint]

Anti lag is different, and not used by people who daily drive their cars. If you have anti-lag in your ECU, ignore it, unless you want to be replacing turbos like tires.

Not to mention gaskets and cracked manifolds. ALS isn't for motors that dont get rebuilt every couple hundred miles.

[Speedy7_7]

Ding ding ding.

there is a reason only racecars use certain things.

[IanS]

[QUOTE=Speedy7_7]Sorry, thats not anti lag. Cool though

Launch Control, anti lag is during shifts.

And to Poorman, I can understand what your saying, it would be useless for almost anyone. The launch control just limits the rpms so that you can be foot to the floor and not get terrible wheelspin, it also spools the turbo prior to launch.

Anti lag is different, and not used by people who daily drive their cars. If you have anti-lag in your ECU, ignore it, unless you want to be replacing turbos like tires.[/QUOTE

This is basically just a 2 step rev limiter, but the truth is, there is very little difference. A 2 step can cut spark, or it can force the spark to fire late. Antilag does the same thing, while also firing the fuel injectors on the exhaust stroke.

[RCA]

why would you need als on an ls motor? i thought they are only really setup for forced induction, mainly turbocharging.

Yup. A forced induction LS1 using a two-step never disappoints, but a CA.... eh

[Doya]

If you slapped me in the back of the head, I'd through you through that wall with the black stuff on it.

[float_6969]

Is the CA enough motor for the S14, after all it is heavier than the S13's and 180's are. Granted it's .2L smaller than the SR, but displacement is one of those power factors that people like to look at. Then again you can probably pick up used CA18's for a fraction of the price of an SR.

A completely stock CA makes about 20hp more than a KA. My motor isn't anywhere near stock. Right now it makes about 200RWHP. That is with a turbo that's smaller than an SR T25. The CA is also lighter than the KA and the SR and sits further back in the engine bay than the KA or the SR. If you've ever seen a CA swapped S13 or S14 with stock springs, the front of the car sits way up in the air due to the lack of weight on the front end. The CA is capable of making just as much HP as an SR or a KA is.

No, because it is going to make ALL that noise and it won't be making much power.People will probably be expecting something fast. ALS on an LS1 never disappoints.

Why won't it be making power? The whole point of this system is to increase the power when you launch the car so that it doesn't bog off the line.

why would you need als on an ls motor? i thought they are only really setup for forced induction, mainly turbocharging.

As has been stated, this isn't an anti-lag setup, but a launch control setup. IDK why I posted it saying anti-lag. I suppose I could program it to work like an anti-lag setup if I kept the throttle open during shifts, but once again, this isn't something that you'd want to use on a regular basis. I'll mostly use it for when I'm at the 1/4 mile for the launch. Also, a launch control system can be used on any motor. It's primary purpose is to give you enough power off the line in a drag race to keep the motor from bogging down and giving you a good launch.

Sorry, thats not anti lag. Cool though

Launch Control, anti lag is during shifts.

And to Poorman, I can understand what your saying, it would be useless for almost anyone. The launch control just limits the rpms so that you can be foot to the floor and not get terrible wheelspin, it also spools the turbo prior to launch.

Anti lag is different, and not used by people who daily drive their cars. If you have anti-lag in your ECU, ignore it, unless you want to be replacing turbos like tires.

You're right, it's not anti-lag. IDK why I posted it that way.

Yea, this isn't something that you want to use on a regular basis. When I use it, I'll program it so it doesn't backfire out of the exhaust like that. I just did it for S & G's. It makes WAY too much boost when it's setup like that and will cause all kinds of wheelspin.

This is basically just a 2 step rev limiter, but the truth is, there is very little difference. A 2 step can cut spark, or it can force the spark to fire late. Antilag does the same thing, while also firing the fuel injectors on the exhaust stroke.

Yup. See above. I'm dumb.

Yup. A forced induction LS1 using a two-step never disappoints, but a CA.... eh

Man, what's with all the CA hate?

[Red coupe]

Man, what's with all the CA hate?

Yeah, its a little weird that they consider the .2L from an SR to be something so significant, but the fact that a KAT is .4L more then the SR is only a small factor to consider.