verts rotor question

[-RJ-]

ok so the vert uses abs brakes and rotors, so people say. What I want to know is there a size difference in 4 lug abs rotors and nonabs rotors and if its different, is 5 lug abs rotors the same size as 4 lug abs

just wanna know...

[Loki]

I'm pretty sure our rotors are the same whether it is non-abs or abs. I remember when I was replacing my pads and rotors I bought non-abs all around, then had to get new pads when I saw we used abs pads.

And 240's don't have 5 lug rotors. If you swap to 5 lug hubs the 300ZX rotors will fit, but they won't work with stock brakes.

[MadmikeX3]

240's do have 5 lugs on the 95 and up SE models. Am I wrong?

[krash]

240's do have 5 lugs on the 95 and up SE models. Am I wrong?

yea thats what i thought?

[Loki]

240's do have 5 lugs on the 95 and up SE models. Am I wrong?

Well. Yeah. But we usually don't speak of the S14s in Vert Forum. I do not even know if the hubs are compatible with S13s (although I suspect they are).

[Roadkillracers]

A. 91-94 ABS Front Rotors ARE different and bigger and of course requires Front ABS Calibers. ABS pads are 30% larger then non. However without the ABS system these babies will lock if you freak and nail that peddle!!!. I run them with EBS Yellow stuff pads on Cross Cut/Dimpled Rotors all away around. Front rotors have been re-drilled as these are from a 95-98.B. 95-98 5 Lugs Hubs ARE interchangeable with 89-94 4 Lug Hubs.C. (Front Only)You can find after market 4Lug (re-drilled) 300ZX 30mm rotors BUT they will not fit with the Stock SE Limited 15” Alloy rims. So why bother keeping the 4Lug at that point.D. (Rear Only) mounting 300zx on the rear do not require 5 Lug conversion but you will need to swap out the backing plate from the 300zx as the E-brake is not part of the rear caliper as on the 240sx. You will also need E-brake cable extensions as the 240sx cables will not connect to the 300zx E-brake system.E. I have herd (Not that I know anyone personally who has done it) That th early 300zx None Turbo 28mm rotors and calipers with fit the stock SE Limited 15” Alloy rims.

So If your going to 300zx brakes, might as well find some S14 5 lug hubs from the junk yard if your going through hasle since you need new rims any how....

Here is a pic with the old crappy Hawk pads

[madcowvert]

I would like to see where you got your info from Because most of it is wrong..

B. 95-98 5 Lugs Hubs ARE interchangeable with 89-94 4 Lug Hubs.

No they are not the spindle on a s14 has a bigger shaft and will not intertchange with a s13 hub.

C. (Front Only)You can find after market 4Lug (re-drilled) 300ZX 30mm rotors BUT they will not fit with the Stock SE Limited 15” Alloy rims. So why bother keeping the 4Lug at that point.

300zx brakes fit on one style se wheels. if your don't fit all you need to do is add a spacer. they brakes fit fine in a 15in wheel.

here is the link thats shows you the se wheels that fit.http://www.nicoclub.com/articles.php?id=207414

D. (Rear Only) mounting 300zx on the rear do not require 5 Lug conversion but you will need to swap out the backing plate from the 300zx as the E-brake is not part of the rear caliper as on the 240sx. You will also need E-brake cable extensions as the 240sx cables will not connect to the 300zx E-brake system.

This your right you dont need to go 5 lug you just need to have your rotor's re-drilled to 4-lug

E. I have herd (Not that I know anyone personally who has done it) That th early 300zx None Turbo 28mm rotors and calipers with fit the stock SE Limited 15” Alloy rims.

If this is a z32 1991 and up 300zx the early model is a 26mm rotor.

So If your going to 300zx brakes, might as well find some S14 5 lug hubs from the junk yard if your going through hasle since you need new rims any how.....

No you don't you can keep your 4-lug you just need to re-drill your rotors to 4-lug. or you can buy some on ebay that are already converted.

And you don't need new wheels you just need spacers if they dont fit.

link to 4 lug rotors..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...ZWDVW

[Roadkillracers]

Swapt 5 Lug hubs on my cousins and changed the bearing for his 91, so I don't know what to tell you there and I have not used and will not use spacers. Spacers increase shear and are illegale in a lot of santioned sports.

[madcowvert]

there is no way he could have done the swap with out changing the spindel. it just won't work..

I guess you've never seen a set of hub-sentric spacers. They have no play.

[BOOMSHAKALAKA]

ok so the vert uses abs brakes and rotors, so people say. What I want to know is there a size difference in 4 lug abs rotors and nonabs rotors and if its different, is 5 lug abs rotors the same size as 4 lug abs

just wanna know...

According to this thread...

zerothread?id=136324

all convertibles recieved the ABS pads and rotors. Even though it doesn't have the ABS control unit. The ABS pads and rotors were slightly larger than non ABS units, so non ABS equipment won't work right.

rears are the same between ABS and non ABS versions

[AZhitman]

^ Correct.

[Roadkillracers]

I think the issue with the hubs needs to be answered by the SR drifter guys that do more of the 5 lugs swaps. As far spindle, according to Timken, Bearing 510031 fits 240sx from 1998-1989. Just where exactly is the spindle different? Not riding you just curious to what you are saying is wrong. We swapped so I would like to know why.Yes herd of them still do not use them.

[BiXLL]

Wow, what a great learning thread! You guys are good!

[Roadkillracers]

Bingo, So now that I called 1-800 SR and got a short (not) history of S14 to S13. Madcwovert is correct on the spindle. To use factory S14 5lug hubs, you need to use the S14 spindle and have an S14 ball joint pressed into the S13 control arm. As far my cousin's 91 I am trying to find out what and where he got the hubs since SR agrees with Madcowvert that it could not work and has to be from something else.

[madcowCONV]

I think ichiba and peak performance make 5-lug hub's that fit on s13's maybe thats what he used.

[Roadkillracers]

Spoke with my cousin, he swap the 5 lug hubs we got from an S14 for a couple machined aluminum hubs, but used the rear S14 hubs. Are these machined hubs the same as Ichiba or Peak Performance? He does not know what company as they sold to him from a friend.

[madcowvert]

They should be the same there are several comapnys that make them. on ebay that have a bunch of no-named companys..

Here is a link for the ichiba hubs http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...ZWDVW

[-RJ-]

about the 5 lug question, i pulled the s14 hubs and put em on my car... fits perfect, it has 300zx rims painted gold



so i guess the abs rotors are bigger, and the 4 and 5 lug abs rotors are the same size also