type R vs s14 sr20det

[turtle]

me and one of my honda buddys had a discussion.. he saw a jdm type R and and jdm s14 race and the type r ran 0.2 seconds faster than the s14.. i told him most of the s14 swaped over here arent stock... but he is a little ****y honda buddy who thinks all hondas are the ultimate race car.. lets see wat u guys think..

[Spongebob]

I know someone who has a type r with bolt-ons, intake, headers, cams, exhaust, chip and all and that thing hits high 13s daily driven. thats just crazy on a n/a 1.8 liter.

[shiftdowns13]

a bone stock type r and a bone stock s14 .. the type r IS .2 seconds faster ... it's a 14.6 vs. 14.8 ... both are 100% stock JDM numbers

[LiU]

tell your buddy that a camaro z28 is about a whole second faster than his type R, therefore he should worship the camaro.

[shiftdowns13]

yeah .. get a 2000 SS camaro with a 200shot of juice and your in the 11's

[RedHatchback]

Sometimes I hate Honda tuners. With simple intake and exhaust most of them think they can take vettes and vipers. I hate Honda Tuning! Your all a bunch of losers with large egos! Your slow,get over it!Sorry for the out burst....I tend to get a lil excited over stupid lil Honda threads.

[MainEvent212]

yeah...i doubt an ITR could keep up w/ me :pface

<stock Sr20 w/ minor boltons hehe

[zombieman]

i'm no 1/4 mile guy and could care less about such short distance racing but i believe it all depend on the driver. a s13 is quoted to run 14.5 stock, now this make the s13 .1 second faster than a type-r which no type-r owner will admit to.

now a s14 weigh 2800lbs with a turbocharge 220hp vs. (i believe) a 2300lb car n/a with 200hp running only a .2 seconds difference with a 500lbs difference between each car. i know a s14 is .2 liters bigger than the type-r and is turbocharge with 20 more hp, but c'mon dude, let's face it. those difference somehow got the s14 to haul an extra 500lbs more and run a time not even far from a type-r.

[kamikazestorm420]

the s14 can strip out the whole interior and make up the .2 sec difference

[Doomed2Walk]

.2 seconds = driver's race. My friend has an ITR and keeps telling me blah blah ITR > S14 blah blah. The ITR is a very nice car, but no 240 ;D

[IveBeenBad]

I actually think that the ITR with a decent set of tires will stay with a Silvia. Think about it:

1: FWD has less drivetrain loss2: Power should be close at the wheels (stock)3: The ITR shouldnt have traction problems (LSD)

[Spongebob]

What would happen if an type R came with turbo just like an sr? I think type Rs are one of the best fwd cars built. Yea its no s13 or s14, cuz rwd owns, but i still give it props.

[IveBeenBad]

What would happen if an type R came with turbo just like an sr? I think type Rs are one of the best fwd cars built. Yea its no s13 or s14, cuz rwd owns, but i still give it props.

Honda prides itself on it's N/A power so I dont think it would ever happen. Just to be fair, I think We should go with newer cars. S15 Silvia vs Honda Integra Type-R (RSX for us US Folk).

The K20A is a hell of an engine and even thought the SR has more power stock, I think theyd be pretty close.

[bobert486]

watch some BestMotoring videos, then talk crap about the type R

[HashiriyaS14]

ITR is a fantastic car, but drag racing really isn't it's element. I like Hondas just fine (some of em), and will never talk smack on them, but someone could mention to this Honda guy that if you give the S14 owner and the ITR owner each $1000 for mods, the S14 owner will dominate hands down.

[Turb0wned]

theres a japanese video of 2 bone stock cars ( 95 240sx and a type r) and the type r wins its a quarter mile race at some track

[SeVa-S13]

That was a Honda commercial.

And are we sure the newer Integras only weigh 2300 lbs? That's like MR2/Mitata weight right there.

[IveBeenBad]

That was a Honda commercial.

And are we sure the newer Integras only weigh 2300 lbs? That's like MR2/Mitata weight right there.

that does seem rather light... only 400lbs more than an elise

[MarkEmark]

that does seem rather light... only 400lbs more than an elise

Yeah really, where's all this misinformation coming from? 2000 ITR's weigh 2640 lbs...that's quite a bit heavier than 2300 lbs. They are one of the nicest FWD cars out there, I'll give them that, but they're still FWD, still look like crap IMO, and you still need to rev the living piss out of them to get any power.

A kid I know tried following my S14 KA-T (9 psi) in his ITR and I absolutely lost him. No match for KA torque...no match for SR power either.

[Nismo_Freak]

ITR's are awesome cars and I wish I could get one for a daily hehe, but they are still hindered by FWD (lsd or not) and the already somewhat high strung 1.8L n/a engine. I've seen a few turbo ones go 12's here, which isn't too shabby. Prolly runnin fairly low pressure on that engine though.

[turtle]

i personally think its a drivers race... and either way... we are from the u.s. who keeps their sr20 stock??? and wit the amount of money u spend on a ITR u can use that money to get a s13 wit a full swap.. and still have money for a beater car...

[IveBeenBad]

i personally think its a drivers race... and either way... we are from the u.s. who keeps their sr20 stock??? and wit the amount of money u spend on a ITR u can use that money to get a s13 wit a full swap.. and still have money for a beater car...

The advantage the ITR has in my eyes is the name.

I can take a geo quality chassis, throw in a briggs and stratton mower engine, call it a honda, and people will gladly pay large sums for it...

[Doomed2Walk]

I think ITRs are one of the best FWD sport compacts ever built, but in terms of HP/$ the Silvia or 240SX for that matter has it beat hands down. Anyone read that Mazdaspeed Protege vs. ITR article somewhere when the Protege came out? ITR beat the Protege in the 1/4, but the Protege beat the ITR around a track

[nlzmo400r]

I think ITRs are one of the best FWD sport compacts ever built, but in terms of HP/$ the Silvia or 240SX for that matter has it beat hands down. Anyone read that Mazdaspeed Protege vs. ITR article somewhere when the Protege came out? ITR beat the Protege in the 1/4, but the Protege beat the ITR around a track

what magazine was that?!!!, please gimme a link or somehting. And yes u have ti rev the living piss ouf ot an ITR to get any power, bu thats what its made for. Hell for that matter u have to rev hte piss out of any ferrari (enzo/f5o, the turbo lagg'd f4o, 36o modena) to get power out of it. But on the race track, you're in high revs damn near all the time, so thats where hte opwer really matters

[Doomed2Walk]

Sorry I misread but Sport Compact Car is the article

[PantherRacer]

hmmm put an ITR engine in an AWD teg, give the Silvia AWD an let them at each other.

or to save money just make the teg RWD...I won't lie the teg has props in the automotive world....but the civic is the ultimate cheezy boy racer-mobile. the things you see done to them.

I'm with the drivers race decision though. there are many ways u can make one or the other win.heck it's .2 seconds. say they tie lolol

[MarkEmark]

what magazine was that?!!!, please gimme a link or somehting. And yes u have ti rev the living piss ouf ot an ITR to get any power, bu thats what its made for. Hell for that matter u have to rev hte piss out of any ferrari (enzo/f5o, the turbo lagg'd f4o, 36o modena) to get power out of it. But on the race track, you're in high revs damn near all the time, so thats where hte opwer really matters

Please, no one ever compare an engineering masterpiece ferrari V8 or V12 to some tiny little 4 cylinder japanese engine, EVER. An ITR is not a race car, nor does it pretend to be. It's not even close to being one, nor is it even close to being on par with any of those cars you listed. Ferraris do get all of their power high up in the RPM range, but they also have PLENTY of torque to back it up at a REASONABLE RPM...and even more power. That, and Ferrari's are designed to be pretty much race-ready right from the factory and are made to be driven very quickly and HARD, whereas an ITR is more of a commuter car (good gas mileage, 4 cylinder, reliable, etc).

Anyway, i just had to shoot down that comparison. Eww.

[nlzmo400r]

Please, no one ever compare an engineering masterpiece ferrari V8 or V12 to some tiny little 4 cylinder japanese engine, EVER. An ITR is not a race car, nor does it pretend to be. It's not even close to being one, nor is it even close to being on par with any of those cars you listed. Ferraris do get all of their power high up in the RPM range, but they also have PLENTY of torque to back it up at a REASONABLE RPM...and even more power. That, and Ferrari's are designed to be pretty much race-ready right from the factory and are made to be driven very quickly and HARD, whereas an ITR is more of a commuter car (good gas mileage, 4 cylinder, reliable, etc).

Anyway, i just had to shoot down that comparison. Eww.

ok, then compare the c32 engine (nsx) u have to 'rev the living piss out of that engine' to get power, however, like i said, thats what its made for. I gurantee that just as much technology and engineering went into making the 'little 4 cyl' ITR engine as it did the modena's v8. Characteristics of each engine are very similar in the way they perform. Sure the modena has both more horsepower and torque, but look at the displacement. The modena has 3.6 liters, when the ITR sports half that. Yet they both put out 108hp per liter and 110hp per liter respectively. And they are both high revving (each redlining around the 85oo rpm area) and both lack big torque numbers (the modena has 275ft lbs, and the ITR 130ft lbs) but are well within each others ballpark of ft lbs of torque per liter. Say what u want, but they are more similar than u think, just cause its a ferrari, doesnt automatically mean its superior in engineering. And as far as not being a race car, id be willing to bet money that a stock modena engine and stock ITR engine, have about the same endurance on a racetrack in the same conditions etc.

[w1ngzer0]

the fact is you can only get around a track so fast. Or Touge so fast

[MarkEmark]

ok, then compare the c32 engine (nsx) u have to 'rev the living piss out of that engine' to get power, however, like i said, thats what its made for. I gurantee that just as much technology and engineering went into making the 'little 4 cyl' ITR engine as it did the modena's v8. Characteristics of each engine are very similar in the way they perform. Sure the modena has both more horsepower and torque, but look at the displacement. The modena has 3.6 liters, when the ITR sports half that. Yet they both put out 108hp per liter and 110hp per liter respectively. And they are both high revving (each redlining around the 85oo rpm area) and both lack big torque numbers (the modena has 275ft lbs, and the ITR 130ft lbs) but are well within each others ballpark of ft lbs of torque per liter. Say what u want, but they are more similar than u think, just cause its a ferrari, doesnt automatically mean its superior in engineering. And as far as not being a race car, id be willing to bet money that a stock modena engine and stock ITR engine, have about the same endurance on a racetrack in the same conditions etc.

The engines *may* have similar endurance on a race track, but every other part of the ferrari would outlast the ITR on a track (think brakes!). Again, the ferrari was essentially designed for racing, the ITR was designed to be a decently fast commuter car that was economical to drive.

Anyway, I guess the comparison was rather valid, but it just made me sick seeing "ferrari" and "inTEGRAHHHH" mentioned as equals.

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