turbo kit comparison

[MainEvent212]

ok bear with me..just a quick comparison on a mildly ported and polished motor, ross forged pistons

kit 1:

Nsport kit, bumped up to 12psi w/

vs.kit 2:

Greddy kit, bumped up to 12 psi + FMIC

who wins?

[Checkered-Member]

prices of each?

[MainEvent212]

no not prices...what kit is better given these circumstances?

[aleph1]

Greddy. Hands down. Thanks to its FAR better fuel system (Emanage, top feed fuel rail and higher flow injectors), instead of a cheesy RRFPR. Although Im not sure on the exact specs of Greddys mitsu turbo, the Nsport T04B-R might out flow it...

[andrave]

bench racing, pure and simple...but anyway I agree with the aleph, greddy kit looks better made with better management, especially when you factor in FMIC

[C-Kwik]

I vote for the larger turbo of the NSport.

[TrunkMonkey]

nsport...hands down.

-demetrius

[mean green s14]

i own a 97 240 and have a nsport kit 8 psi, i cant say anything bad about the greddy kit becuase i have no expieriance with it, but for the nsport kit lets just say ,i f the greddy kit can performe at the same level as the nsport i would be very,very surprised, the nsport kit is a little more dificult to tune, but once tunned the whimpy turbo in the greddy kits would fail to compare im shure! greddy kit = fmic and tunned to perfection will still net you as much as the nsport out of tune, ive heard from nsport themselve that the last 240 that installed there kit was making 262 whp at 8 psi,thats right 262 whp,i have yet to have mine dyno'ed but im shure im going to get very similar numbers,i blow my friends sr20 240 away and he runs 12-14 psi!!!!!!!!!!

[andrave]

whimpy turbo in the greddy kit?far as I know its a pretty nice turbo with a lot more modern technology than an the N sport T series.

[TrunkMonkey]

the greddy kit is a basic beginner's turbo kit with flashy expensive stuff to make it look good. as i said in another thread, the only thing that makes the greddy appealing is the emanage.

if this kit had come out some two or three years ago when it was supposed to, then i might actually be all for it. but KA turbocharging has come a long way in the past few years, and for greddy to show up with an internal wastegated, non-intercooled 6 psi kit with a price tag of $3K is, imo, a slap in the face. it looks to me like they tossed it together just to take advantage of the 240's skyrocketing popularity. the kit will never be competitive as long as nsport, f-max, iap, and (soon to be? maybe?) os giken are on the market. for a little more than $3k that the greddy kit originally started out for, you can get any of these better performing kits.

imo, greddy came out a day late and a dollar too high.

-demetrius

[TrunkMonkey]

btw, if you haven't seen it yet, feast your eyes on what MIGHT be coming from os giken.

-demetrius

[mean green s14]

i agree totally,i mean where was the greddy kit 2 years ago when i was begging for it. and i cant believe it took them this long to come out with a kit that makes 30 whp less than my nsport kit. and no intercooler! whats up with that, did they rush it or maybee thay just want you to spend 1000 more for something it should have came with! and as for the e-manage, i think ill stick with my begi fmu and walboro 255 pump and fine tune it all with a safc, but go ahead and get your e-mamge theres a reson it comes pre programed!and as for the turbo , yes im shure its nice and state of the art but lets see how much boost it can push and what kind of top end it has. oh and not to beat my chest, my snail is bigger than theirs!!!!!!!!!

[aleph1]

Considering a FMIC kit for the Greddy is roughly 800 dollars. 2700 +800= 3500, thats the price for a GOOD deal (good luck) on the Nsports etc. So for slightly cheaper than an Nsport setup, you have a far more reliable fuel (not sure if the emanage is hooked up to the ign system in the kit form) management system that is easily upgraded in the future for cheaper, top feed, higher flow injectors. Ive seen this turbo (20G) handle around 20psi of boost easy on DSMs, Im sure it can flow enough for the vast majority of people. So what if its internally wastegated? It just simplifies the install, all youd have to do if you wanna upgrade to a bigger turbo is weld on a flange to the manifold.

BTW: http://shop.store.yahoo.com/ho....html this place has it for 2649 =)

[WDRacing]

Check out the way the OS manifold runners are welded. That is an awsome idea...Very sexy manifold.

WD

[Structure240sx]

not to mention that lil turbo sitting on it

[mean green s14]

tomAto tomato i just like the nsport kit, im shure any turbo kit will be more than sufficient to enhance the perfomance of an already awsome car!!!!

[Structure240sx]

btw comparing kitshe wants 12psi

greddy needs : intercooler $800 (downtime for piping), bigger injectors top-feed 550's $250, plus dyno/tuning and maybe extra software or anything needed to tune the emanage

nsport needs : side-feed 550's $500, jwt ecu $600 (drop in inejectors and plug in ecu cant get easier) or afc + tuning,

both about the same price, nsport a lil cheaper to run 12psi

nsport to me wins with the better turbo

[aleph1]

I believe greddy is coming out with the FMIC kit for their 240SX turbo kit. Im sure its very soon...

BTW- Compressor map for TD06-20Ghttp://not2fast.wryday.com/tur...g.jpg

[s14db]

Hold on! don't you have to take out your ECU and send it to JWT? how long does that take? and what if you want to change something? Send the ECU back? Talk about downtime. I can take the emange down to the dyno and tune it right there. granted the greddy leave some parts missing. But the emanage allows for futre upgrades.

[Structure240sx]

u can be like me and get an extra ecu to send to jwt so there will be no downtime. i know theres the whole thing about if u change something in your setup but really how much are u goin to change thats goin to need tuning. unless u completely change ur injectors, maf maybe compression after the ecu retune then u wont really need to send it out again. maybe for some decent cams like jwts u would want to get the ecu tuned for that but anything else it doesnt seem to matter. jwt didnt ask me how big my exhuast was or if i was using an intercooler or anything, which is the only things i could see changing. all they asked was what engine, turbo?, compression, injectors, and maf. also alot of people cant just go to the dyno and tune their car themselves like me

[TrunkMonkey]

Hold on! don't you have to take out your ECU and send it to JWT? how long does that take? and what if you want to change something? Send the ECU back? Talk about downtime. I can take the emange down to the dyno and tune it right there. granted the greddy leave some parts missing. But the emanage allows for futre upgrades.

you don't have to send the ecu to jwt to run the nsport kit. that's the route that structure240sx decided to take. if you want to run more boost than the nsport kit is set for, you can go with an safc and larger injectors.

-demetrius

[Structure240sx]

yes thanks demcj, or in my case ill be using nismo 740cc injectors that the afc would not be able to trim down enough

[mean green s14]

i think you could also retune your fmu and add bigger injectors and a boost controler if you want to raise the boost also

[TrunkMonkey]

i wouldn't push more than the 7 psi the kit is set at with an fmu. switching to an safc is much more reliable.

-demetrius

[Structure240sx]

definitly, im at 8psi and my egt's stay at 1400 at wot in higher gears. below that they stay under 1400 usudally 1200-1300. but i got a lil over 120mph the other day and hit 1450. i cant wait to ditch the fmu. dont get me wrong its great for a cheap and easy way to get fuel its just not for me anymore

[toki]

build your own,lazy

[Structure240sx]

great reply that helped out alot

[s14db]

Well my friend has a dyno and is a Greddy Dealer. So, I'm going that route.

[groundhogday1976]

Is it just the fact that the turbo on that OS Giken setup is close to the camera, or is that compressor freakin' huge?

[Structure240sx]

its freakin huge