The Ground Zero Mosque, a diversion

[heliochrome85]

Holy damn, I'm crackin' up in here...

wanna know how im not a terrorlst? terrorists dont have a sense of humor.

[szh]

Holy damn, I'm crackin' up in here...

wanna know how im not a terrorlst? terrorists dont have a sense of humor.

Yeah, but didja hear the story about the blonde terrorlst who decided to blow up a school bus? ... And burned her lips on the tailpipe?

Z

[AZhitman]

That's racist.

[szh]

That's racist.

Ah, but the race card is max'ed out, right?

Z

[Encryptshun]

Blonde is a race? Better not let them hear that, they'll take off running and never stop.

[themadscientist]

And we have some of the first violence against American Muslims.
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/25 ... &wom=false

When he first got into the taxi Tuesday night, Desai said, Enright engaged in cordial conversation with Sharif.

He "started out friendly, asking Mr. Sharif about where he was from, how long he had been in America, if he was Muslim and if he was observing fast during Ramadan," said Desai, who has spoken with the cab driver.

Then, after a few minutes of silence, Desai said Enright started violently cursing at Sharif and shouted "Assalamu Alaikum, consider this a checkpoint," before slashing him in the throat, arms, and hand.

So, how can America maintain the high ground and say the actions of some of a group dam the whole group when this s*** happens? This fiery rhetoric is going to continue to incite violence and America loses.

The face of the American terrorism. Kind of chubby.

[heliochrome85]

The face of the American terrorism. Kind of chubby.

of course its chubby.

[IBCoupe]

What a cute little wacko!

[heliochrome85]

I hope for the worst to come to his family too.

every family has their black sheep, there is no reason to think he isnt theres.

[stebo0728]

I hope for the worst to come to his family too.

every family has their black sheep, there is no reason to think he isnt theres.

I agree, if he murdered the guy, death penalty works for me too, but his family will suffer enough losing him, and I dont think its right to wish them further duress. I dont think you ever heard anyone rational call for duress to befall the families of the 9/11 attackers. I certainly didnt.

[themadscientist]

I think a few months in general population at Gitmo would do him good.

[AZhitman]

I'm not a violent person. And I have no special attachment or particular connection to American Muslims.

That being said, I could easily dispatch him with my bare hands, just for disrespecting and dishonoring my country.

Then I'd go to Applebee's for a steak.

[heliochrome85]

Then I'd go to Applebee's for a steak.

id go with the orange chicken bowl...

id confess to being D.B. Cooper if it meant i got extra sauce...

[AZhitman]

Hell yeah. No harm in that - the statute of limitations is long past.

[stebo0728]

Then I'd go to Applebee's for a steak.

id go with the orange chicken bowl...

id confess to being D.B. Cooper if it meant i got extra sauce...

Is that Panda Express orange chicken? Love that stuff! Tried to make it myself, wasnt too bad, no panda tho

[WDRacing]

The only thing we see on the news is more and more kids getting killed because of Muslims. Now bare with me, I didn't say ALL Muslims. But the media does a damn good job of making sure we know Muslim extremists are behind bombing after bombing. So it's no F'n wonder people are reacting the way they are. We've been at war with people of the Muslim religion since 1991 in some form or fashion. Perhaps some American's are just friggin tired of it and are beginning to see everything Muslim in a negative light.

We aren't at war with any other religion. Until the Muslim community stands up and rids the world of these extremists, the world's view of Muslims is pretty much not going to be positive, shocker right.

Then you have a POTUS come out in full support of it. One that is almost universally viewed as a Muslim himself, whether right or wrong the perception is there and it's not a good one.

Take all of that and dump it on a depressed populace. Wanna build a mosk, fine, but don't expect everyone to be f'n happy about it. Some of these people have lost loved ones, then their jobs, then their houses and now have nothing. These people are dangerous.

Seriously, what does the Muslim community expect? What you're looking at is reality...you can hope in one hand and take a nice healthy steamer in the other. Doesn't change a damn thing. Yeah the Constitution says blah blah freedom of religion, well you can have your freedom of religion, but get the F out of my face with it. We're at friggin war with Muslim terrorists that bombed and killed thousands of Americans and oh btw they are still doing it...so yeah, not all of us are happy about a God Damn mosk anywhere near ground zero. Don't like it, tough s***. Feel free to build it somewhere else...I mean wtf did you really expect.

[wingFeather]

Until the Muslim community stands up and rids the world of these extremists, the world's view of Muslims is pretty much not going to be positive, shocker right.

[srellim234]

WD, I agree with almost everything you say except the statement about the perception of the POTUS. The latest from Pew research:

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1701/poll-o ... -religious

People don't know WHAT he is, but only 1 in 5 is not "universally viewed." That's as bad as these politicians who claim they have a majority of the populace mandate because they got 52% of the votes of the 30% of registered voters who bothered to show up. And those 30% are an even smaller subset of the eligible adults who bothered to register in the first place.

[stebo0728]

WD, I agree with almost everything you say except the statement about the perception of the POTUS. The latest from Pew research:

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1701/poll-o ... -religious

People don't know WHAT he is, but only 1 in 5 is not "universally viewed." That's as bad as these politicians who claim they have a majority of the populace mandate because they got 52% of the votes of the 30% of registered voters who bothered to show up. And those 30% are an even smaller subset of the eligible adults who bothered to register in the first place.

Its funny the local radio show here yesterday was talking about the whole 1 in 5 thing. So many stats are 1 in 5. Heck 1 in 5 Americans cant find America on a world map!

[WDRacing]

The only thing we see on the news is more and more kids getting killed because of Muslims.

You're going to post this RIGHT AFTER we just learned about a kid almost killing a Muslim? Ever heard of the saying, "It takes two to tango"?

Until the Muslim community stands up and rids the world of these extremists, the world's view of Muslims is pretty much not going to be positive, shocker right.

....And cause even more bloodshed? No thanks.

Take all of that and dump it on a depressed populace. Wanna build a mosk, fine, but don't expect everyone to be f'n happy about it. Some of these people have lost loved ones, then their jobs, then their houses and now have nothing. These people are dangerous.

Funny thing is that most of the people in the protest rallies in front of the Mosque are NOT directly or adversely affected by 9/11 or any other events that involved the death of an American. They are just simpletons that have nothing better to do than further the demise of the United States.

Seriously, what does the Muslim community expect? What you're looking at is reality...you can hope in one hand and take a nice healthy steamer in the other. Doesn't change a damn thing. Yeah the Constitution says blah blah freedom of religion, well you can have your freedom of religion, but get the F out of my face with it. We're at friggin war with Muslim terrorists that bombed and killed thousands of Americans and oh btw they are still doing it...so yeah, not all of us are happy about a God Damn mosk anywhere near ground zero. Don't like it, tough s***. Feel free to build it somewhere else...I mean wtf did you really expect.

You wouldn't be saying the same thing if it was YOUR catholic church or jewish temple being built in your suburb and there was protest against it.

The issue lies within your perception of people. Don't view me as Christian and don't view them as Muslim. VIEW IT AS: We are ALL Americans. We all deserve the same respect and rights as our fellow Americans, no matter what religion they are. Don't view the structure as a Mosque. VIEW IT AS: Another building surrounded by thousands of others in New York City that we will probably never have a need to enter.

You're so naive it's pathetic. We've been reading and watching about Islamic terrorists for over a decade. How does that come close to comparing with the one idiot and the cabby. You missed the entire point, which isn't surprising after reading your opinions.

Where did you come by all of protesters personal information? Oh, you're just speculating because it's ok for YOU to judge, others can't be allowed to have genuine feelings about a very serious topic. Short sighted and closed minded much? Just because it's not important to YOU doesn't mean others have no right to their own opinion.

It's not my Church or my religion so no, I won't "what if"...that's ridiculous. Would I think it's a good idea to put a Protestant church up in a area we just bombed in Afghanistan, would be a better example...and no, I wouldn't think it was a good idea. Wouldn't surprise me if you didn't understand what I'm getting at there though

I'm viewing this like an individual, because that's what I am. I just happen to be a proud White Anglo Saxon Protestant. Our society isn't based around some pipe dream process where everyone does what's best for the herd. Do you not vote for the people who best represent your ideal's? I think the Muslim community should realize they are deeply offending some people and find another spot. I have this opinion because it's my right to. I didn't say they couldn't put it there, I just think they are being obviously insensitive and therefore IDGAF if the place gets burned to ground the day after it opens. They should have known better and I have no sympathy for stupid.

Same thought process I put behind the Protestant church in Afghanistan.

[heliochrome85]

and when did being offended trump constitutional rights?

there is no consensus amongst the families of the victims whether it should be built or not.
there is already a mosque in the area that no one minds.
and that you dont care that places of worship are threatened by herd mentality speaks volumes.
This country was founded on the basis of religious freedom and tolerance. that you dont care if the conversation has morphed into one of intolerance is a sad example of what "patriotism" stands for, and how deeply misguided about constitutional matters both you and the "Crusade" you apparently are a part of are.

This is not Saudi Arabia. That we can have a Masjid near Ground Zero speaks to us as a country.

lastly, the only way to compare this place to a foreign example, say a church in afghanistan, is if Christianity as a whole is being blamed for the bombing. Unless you can prove that I, as a muslim have a bomb jacket in my closet, and that i have been taught to kill as part of my religion, then this argument has absolutely no standing what so ever.

I dont see anyone objecting to building new catholic schools and churches even though the number of people who were complacent with the abuse scandal boggles the mind, as do the number of victims. Where are the people protesting and demanding to see a repudiation of child abuse in Catholicism, at every church construction site? Show me evidence that America is using the same logic about open wounds in other constructions of other religious structures. Until then, im just going to see opposition to this structure as largely bigoted, and definately being profitted on by the Tea Party, Fox News, Harry Reid, and The GOP.

[WDRacing]

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and when did being offended trump constitutional rights?

there is no consensus amongst the families of the victims whether it should be built or not.
there is already a mosque in the area that no one minds.
and that you dont care that places of worship are threatened by herd mentality speaks volumes.
This country was founded on the basis of religious freedom and tolerance. that you dont care if the conversation has morphed into one of intolerance is a sad example of what "patriotism" stands for, and how deeply misguided about constitutional matters both you and the "Crusade" you apparently are a part of are.

This is not Saudi Arabia. That we can have a Masjid near Ground Zero speaks to us as a country.

lastly, the only way to compare this place to a foreign example, say a church in afghanistan, is if Christianity as a whole is being blamed for the bombing. Unless you can prove that I, as a muslim have a bomb jacket in my closet, and that i have been taught to kill as part of my religion, then this argument has absolutely no standing what so ever.

I dont see anyone objecting to building new catholic schools and churches even though the number of people who were complacent with the abuse scandal boggles the mind, as do the number of victims. Where are the people protesting and demanding to see a repudiation of child abuse in Catholicism, at every church construction site? Show me evidence that America is using the same logic about open wounds in other constructions of other religious structures. Until then, im just going to see opposition to this structure as largely bigoted, and definately being profitted on by the Tea Party, Fox News, Harry Reid, and The GOP.

Reread what I said. I said it was insensitive to put a mosk there, not that they couldn't. Has nothing to do with Freedom of Religion. I also never said that being offended trumped anything. I was attempting to explain why some people feel the way they do. I went as far as to describe how the media mostly the bad side of Islam. YOU just read what you wanted to read.

My example of the church in Afghanistan, if you had bothered to read what I wrote instead of getting all emo, was only used because that other dude compared over a decade of front page media dedicated to demonizing Islam, with the recent coverage of the NY attack. I was trying to elaborate that the people of the US have been exposed to years of negative propaganda towards Muslims and no wonder they are acting how they are.

Freedom of speech and assembly are also rights btw, so people can protest anything they want to as long as the do so legally.

Also, deflecting is becoming your SOP Helio. What about the Catholics...what about Bush...someone get a whaaaaambulance. Lets quit side stepping and just deal with one issue at a time. I'll be more then happy to go after the Catholic church.

It's America, founded on Christianity. That's real life dude, doesn't matter if you accept it or not, it's fact. You can look at our views as bigotted all you want, you're a Liberal Muslim, I don't expect you to understand nor care. I'm pretty sure we're about polar opposite on most everything.

[n00b240]

Excellent thread, first post was great, those pics later in the thread were hilarious.

[IBCoupe]

WDRacing
Sensationalism sells. We see Muslims on the news because we've got a country chock full of people like you who'll tune in to see it.

We're not at war with Islam. The fact that we aren't invading Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Libya, Syria, and countless others is evidence to that fact.

Get your head on straight and then try again.

[WDRacing]

WDRacing
Sensationalism sells. We see Muslims on the news because we've got a country chock full of people like you who'll tune in to see it.

We're not at war with Islam. The fact that we aren't invading Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Libya, Syria, and countless others is evidence to that fact.

Get your head on straight and then try again.

Um...how about YOU get your head straight kid. I didn't say the media was right, I was explaining why people feel the way they do. We don't have to be at war with EVERYONE to have been at war since 91. Then again, I've been deployed to the Middle East since 93 when I enlisted. So I don't have a sheltered and naive view of everything unlike yourself.

[IBCoupe]

Um...how about YOU get your head straight kid. I didn't say the media was right, I was explaining why people feel the way they do. We don't have to be at war with EVERYONE to have been at war since 91. Then again, I've been deployed to the Middle East since 93 when I enlisted. So I don't have a sheltered and naive view of everything unlike yourself.

There were two paragraphs there, bucko. "Get your head on straight" dealt with the second.

[WDRacing]

I guess I just don't understand what you're trying to say dude. The terrorists we're at war with aren't Islamic? Or since we're not invading every country in the world that has Muslims we're not "at war" with Islam?

Before we go anywhere with this, I'm fully against the war on terrorism. But that doesn't mean we aren't at was with Islam. The terrorists use Islam as a reason to wage war on us, that means we're at war to me. I'm also not lumping in everyone of the faith, just saying we're at war. I fully understand the % of extremists is extremely small compared to peaceful worshipers of that faith.

Heh, you said bucko. I aint heard that in years dude...lol.

[IBCoupe]

What I'm saying is that I disagree with the premise upon which you build your argument.

Being at war with people who identify as Muslims is not the same as being at war with Islam. In fact, even being at war with some people who employ terrorlst tactics does not mean that we are at war with terrorism.

Further, there's nothing that links terrorism to Islam. Terrorism is a tactic. Islam is a religion.

[WDRacing]

What I'm saying is that I disagree with the premise upon which you build your argument.

Being at war with people who identify as Muslims is not the same as being at war with Islam. In fact, even being at war with some people who employ terrorlst tactics does not mean that we are at war with terrorism.

Further, there's nothing that links terrorism to Islam. Terrorism is a tactic. Islam is a religion.

Islam is a religion. When I said we're at war with Islam, it was more of a generic statement. But it's fundamentally true. Without Islam, there would be no Jihad. With no Jihad we'd have no war. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Islam twisted by some and used as an excuse for Holy War. How is that not a connection?

I don't think my point was that we're at war with Islam per se, but that the media makes us believe we are. Thus painting all Muslims in a bad light.

[IBCoupe]

Edited for clarity, to show what I'm responding to:

But it's fundamentally true. Without Islam, there would be no Jihad. With no Jihad we'd have no war. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Islam twisted by some and used as an excuse for Holy War. How is that not a connection?

That Islam is the recruiting tool and the justification does not mean that it's the source of the trouble. There would be no room for extremists to recruit against the West if there was no contact with the West. There would be no room for extremists to use Islam to justify their actions if there weren't some perceived offenses.

Osama bin Laden didn't plan attacks on the United States because he was Muslim. He didn't declare a jihad against the US because that's what he's commanded to do. He declared a jihad against the US primarily because of our interactions with Israel and our presence in Saudi Arabia. The "jihad" is being employed as a tool. It's a means, not an end.

Had it been any other religion, or even a region devoid of religion, we'd see the same strife. Religion is just what's being used here as grease for the gears, but it doesn't have to be what's used.