Top 5 reasons you like your Q45

[slshearer]

You obviously never drove a 90 to 93 in maintained condition,

As MotorTrend rated the 1990 Q45 on their road test of 10 competing models ( Handling fun to drive, road feel was one of the best tested similiar to the 740 BMW tested. Passing a semi with oncoming traffic) Car they picked was the Q45 hands down.

The original Q45 was and still is one of the best looking performance touring automobiles Infiniti has ever built, PERIOD! You have to own one to understand!

[tmak26b]

The standard Maximas are quite a bit quicker, at least .5 sec through the quarter mile.

I am in no way knocking the car, the car is very good for what it is, but it's quite a stretch to think the car is a rocket (on the first gens anyway).

Here where some of your 1995 choices according to MT Tests1995 BMW 740iL 7.9 16.01995 Cadillac STS 6.4 14.71995 Cadillac DeVille Concours 6.9 15.2

1995 Infiniti Q45t 7.9 16.21995 Nissan Maxima SE (auto) 8.1 16.4

1995 Jaguar XJR 6.6 14.91995 Lexus LS 400 7.4 15.51995 Lincoln Mark VIII 7.6 15.81995 Mercedes-Benz E420 (auto) 7.1 15.31995 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.5 13.91995 Pontiac Bonneville SE 7.1 15.41995 Porsche 928 GTS 6.1 14.5

Nissan was fighting the failures they produced in 1994 [emission problems with new 1994 requirements and new cats] so they over did it with 1995 models to make up to EPA..................no proof just what I heard from their engineers.The 1996 was a cluster Fxxk but it passed EPA new OBD2 tests at least once.

[tmak26b]

It was hot back in 1990, but the car is almost 20 years old. Do you look at Bo Derek and think she is still hot? A 90-93 is similar to a 94-95 with the exception of more weight. I think they turned a high 15 sec car to a low 16 sec car, big freaking deal. If you still think you have a rocketship, I would like you to invite you to ride a 350HP car.

You obviously never drove a 90 to 93 in maintained condition,

As MotorTrend rated the 1990 Q45 on their road test of 10 competing models ( Handling fun to drive, road feel was one of the best tested similiar to the 740 BMW tested. Passing a semi with oncoming traffic) Car they picked was the Q45 hands down.

The original Q45 was and still is one of the best looking performance touring automobiles Infiniti has ever built, PERIOD! You have to own one to understand!

[slshearer]

Your right, all the editors who rated the overall performance of the Q45 as one of the best, what would they know compared to your view.

http://www.q45.org/cd1989compa...8.pdf

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU Q45 SUCK COMPARED TO COMPETITION!

Thanks for clarifying this for me.

[NightRiderQ45]

It was hot back in 1990, but the car is almost 20 years old. Do you look at Bo Derek and think she is still hot? A 90-93 is similar to a 94-95 with the exception of more weight. I think they turned a high 15 sec car to a low 16 sec car, big freaking deal. If you still think you have a rocketship, I would like you to invite you to ride a 350HP car.

Man, you're on it today! I didn't even have to respond to slshearer....his post is my answer. This chick who I used to date in college owned a 2005 Mercedes S500. That car drove like a dream! Like I stated, I love my Y33, but is has nothing on that S500 I used to drive. Maintenance wise, the Y33 wins hands down, but that car WAS a rocketship, handled great, and felt like I was floating when we used to put in on the interstate!

I just can't wait until I'm ready to purchase my CLS 550!

Your right, all the editors who rated the overall performance of the Q45 as one of the best, what would they know compared to your view.

We never stated that the car did have high ratings. Hell, we all own one so obviously there is something that we like with the Q's! We were actually debating the fact that it is a "rocketship" that smokes cars at redlights. Please read the previous posts carefully.

[slshearer]

Before you layout all your hard earned cash to buy that MB check out consumers report for reliability for MB, in case you don't know its in the basement. I would consider a FX50 if I was you, it will compete with the MB and you will smile all the way to the bank!

[slshearer]

I thought this Thread was about Top 5 reasons you like your Q45??? Where did drag racing come from? If you want something fast buy a Suzuki HayabusaGSX1300R

http://www.pashnit.com/bikes/hayabusa.htm

It will dust any stock performance vehicle made todate, PERIOD!

[NightRiderQ45]

Before you layout all your hard earned cash to buy that MB check out consumers report for reliability for MB, in case you don't know its in the basement. I would consider a FX50 if I was you, it will compete with the MB and you will smile all the way to the bank!

Yeah, you are completely right. I read that report awhile back. Everything was in the red. If I don't purchase the MB CLS (man, I love that body style), it will definitely be the Lexus GS350 or Infinit M35/45. Honestly, I think that I will be going with the Lexus instead of the MB because of the reliability factor.

[slshearer]

I am seriously considering a loaded EX35, Its pretty cool looking has tons of awesome technology. If my Infiniti dealer would only give me a decent trade in They offered me $2000, & it really didn't drive a whole bunch better than my old Q45 or I would have probably bought one after the test drive.

I never liked many Lexus's but the LX460 is pretty bad looking and it ain't cheap!

Good Luck on your next car,I was thinking of driving my Q45 for another couple of years then I will consider a new purchase, should get about $1000 then on the brighter side I will have saved about $15000 in payments!

[Q45tech]

Since I'm 60, Bo Derek is still hot. Her Rack and Pinion is still tight and like the old Q45 potentially affordable.

These guys think so too:http://www.buddytv.com/article...h.jpg

[slshearer]

1990-1996 Infiniti Q45 Road TestPros ConsAntilock brakes Fuel economyAcceleration Cargo roomSteering/handling Ride Passenger room

Consumer Guide® Road-Test Evaluation

Among the first items to be noticed behind a Q45's wheel is its quiet, silky, responsive powertrain. Not only is refinement high, but you experience lively off-the-line pickup and the crisp-shifting transmission helps it thread easily through traffic. A sporty growl emanates from beneath the hood, but the V8 runs smoothly. Fuel economy is not a "plus." We averaged only 16.6 mpg, even with a lot of highway miles, and costly premium fuel is required. Traction control is essential for preventing wheel slip on slick surfaces.

Though not quite as smooth-riding as an LS 400 or Jaguar XJ6, the Q45 easily equals the big BMW and Mercedes in that department, yielding a stable, comfortable highway experience. Handling and braking are good, though mild understeer (resistance to turning) is evident and body lean is noticeable.

The big (11-inch) brakes work well in routine use. Though spacious for four, a Q45 isn't vast when you consider its outside dimensions. Entry/exit is a snap. Rear leg room is ample, but there's no space for feet under the front seats. Though it's wide and has a flat floor, the trunk isn't very long or deep.

Value for the Money

A worthy alternative to the big BMW or Mercedes, the Q45 lacks the charm of those European sedans but is beautifully built and lavishly appointed. It might not quite match Lexus for refinement, but you'd be wise to try both.

[tmak26b]

Since I'm 60, Bo Derek is still hot. Her Rack and Pinion is still tight and like the old Q45 potentially affordable.

These guys think so too:http://www.buddytv.com/article...h.jpg

I have seen Bo Derek twice. If saggy tits and wrinkle skins are your things, I guess Bo Derek is perfect for you. As I said before, car is 20 years old. If you think your car is perfect, you might want to expand your scopes a little.

[MinisterofDOOM]

I kind of fail to see the point of the whole "Qs aren't fast" tangent this thread has gone on. Where did it come from? What is the purpose? What point are you trying to make? I don't hear anyone arguing with you. I mean, do you go to Kia Rio owners forums and hijack threads to tell them they can't drift? I don't get it. Obviously the Q doesn't meet your definition of "fast." That's wonderful. Can we get on with enjoying our cars now?

To offer some perspective on our obviously different opinions of what makes a "good" car:I've driven plenty of old and new cars. And a car's acceleration RARELY enters into my vision of good or bad. I'd prefer to have my old gutless 160hp Maxima to most "fast" new cars. Because, where I might not get pressed back in my seat at every light, I DO enjoy DRIVING the Maxima much more than most new cars I've driven.I'll trade "fast" for "whole driving experience" ANY DAY.

Heck, my dad's '04 Maxima is faster than my Q. And every time I drive it I find myself thinking "man I miss [x item] about the Q..." or "I'd rather be driving my Q."

Fuel economy is not a "plus." We averaged only 16.6 mpg, even with a lot of highway miles, and costly premium fuel is required.

Consumer Guide must have had a broken car. My milage isn't that bad with 4.08, NICO ECU, and 190k miles on the clock. And I drive the car HARD. I still manage a combined 17-18 consistently. With a STOCK NEW Q, they should have been doing better.

Dont they have it till 95?

Btw the other poster hit 14.3 in a 1st gen? How did you get an extra 50HP?

The car's making between 275 and 290hp at the wheels, and 290-300ft-lb at the wheels. Probably looking at 340 at the crank. Remember stock power (at crank) was under-rated on paper by ~20hp, so that's only +40hp.Mods are listed in my signature. The biggest affectors are the headers, NICO ECU (which makes a NOTICABLE difference across the board, but especially off the line and again from before redline to 7300rpm limiter), and the 4.08 rear end.Car wasn't mine when it made the 14.3 ET but is exactly the same today with the exception of the former Level10 trans, which was later replaced with an OEM unit.

While the car still isn't a rocket by your definition, those who have driven this car and stock Qs can attest to the big difference.

And yes, '95s still had VVT. Wasn't killed until '96 with OBDII.

[tmak26b]

I am all about car pride, but I just found some of the comments laughable. You want to say the car is quiet, big or rare. That is fine as it probably is true. As far as being fast or handles great, I guess it depends on what you compare it to. If you compare it to a Kia I guess you are right. If you are still stuck in 1990 mode, I guess it would make sense too. I gues V6 that makes 300hp or 6 spd auto trannies make no difference in some people's mind.

I still think your 14.3 is excellent, I have a tough time seeing a lot of Qs in the 14s. Heck, I am not even talking about driver limitation. With the power on the Q and the weight with the gears we have, it's going to be very tough to break into the mid 14s consistently. I find low 15s to be more likely with mods. A stock 90-93 should be around the high 15s. If I recall correctly, didnt most magazine run them around 15.8 or so? So without FI, you picked up 1.5 sec. That really is excellent.

Btw, this is all referring to the 1st and 2nd gen, the 3rd gen are so much newer that you cant compare.

[MinisterofDOOM]

As far as being fast or handles great, I guess it depends on what you compare it to.

Yeah, it's all relative. That was the point I was trying to make. Guess we're all on the same page after all. Or pretty close, anyway.

I gues V6 that makes 300hp or 6 spd auto trannies make no difference in some people's mind.

Eh...it makes a difference, and it doesn't.I've you've ever driven a 300hp V6 and a 300hp V8, you'll notice differences. Like I've said many times before: you have to learn to look past peak power numbers. V8s are naturally smoother. V8s sound better (relative, but IMO anyone who believes otherwise has broken ears). V8s deliver power better--flatter torque curves, wider powerbands.I'd never take a 300hp V6 over a 300hp V8. I don't care if it has two less cylinders. It does things differently. And that differently is my idea of "better."

[tmak26b]

it all goes back to 1990 vs 2008. i can think of 15 engines that makes almost the same powerband as the q without using a v8.

bmw 3L na and turbo ( more about the lower output on the na)the 3.5 and 3.7 vqaudi 3.2toyotoa v6 in a camry

there aree many others. they can have almost the same output and traditional v8s.

also you have to remeber modern cars have better gearing, they will be faster and have even better powerband than an old car. try driving the 7 spd auto of mercedes or a vq. they are not slower.

sorry typing on ppc

Yeah, it's all relative. That was the point I was trying to make. Guess we're all on the same page after all. Or pretty close, anyway.

Eh...it makes a difference, and it doesn't.I've you've ever driven a 300hp V6 and a 300hp V8, you'll notice differences. Like I've said many times before: you have to learn to look past peak power numbers. V8s are naturally smoother. V8s sound better (relative, but IMO anyone who believes otherwise has broken ears). V8s deliver power better--flatter torque curves, wider powerbands.I'd never take a 300hp V6 over a 300hp V8. I don't care if it has two less cylinders. It does things differently. And that differently is my idea of "better."

[maxnix]

it all goes back to 1990 vs 2008. i can think of 15 engines that makes almost the same powerband as the q without using a v8.

Remember, HP is a calculated number based on shifting criteria (i.e. - what accessories are driven).

What really matters is the area under the torque curve from idle to redline.

Gearing affects rate of acceleration and economy, also.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Remember, HP is a calculated number based on shifting criteria (i.e. - what accessories are driven).

What really matters is the area under the torque curve from idle to redline.

Gearing affects rate of acceleration and economy, also.

Exactly. Hence why you rarely see me discussing hp. I talk in torque, because torque is what tells the truest story.

[oldmako]

What's to like??

1. I got someones $45K car for $4500 and it still looks and drives as new. It's WORTH repairing...although the shock prices are heinous and without reason.

2. Sumbitch is quiet.

3. Sumbitch is smooooooooth.

4. Sumbitch is paid for.

5. Sumbitch has awesome paint (blackblackblack!!! and then some. It looks killer when clean and freshly waxed. It always draws compliments.

6. Sumbitch is a great high speed interstate mobile. Exactly what I wanted.

7. Say what you want about how lame 2nd gen Qs are, but the *** end of my 99 is gorgeous and still looks great at 10 yrs old. Spectacular design. The new 500S MB is very similar.

8. Gorgeous interior. I just wish it had new carpets.

9. The wow factor is nice. When someone gets in and starts asking questions....."What is this? etc etc...

Sorry I had a fight at your black panther party and posted more than "top 5".

[tmak26b]

Remember, HP is a calculated number based on shifting criteria (i.e. - what accessories are driven).

What really matters is the area under the torque curve from idle to redline.

Gearing affects rate of acceleration and economy, also.

i listed the engines that have similar output as the q withoout 8 cylinders in the modern world. even with slightly less power, the modern trnasmisson can make up the differences with gears.

[Q45tech]

AT time to shift is very important since all electronic transmission cut torque just before and during and rampup slowly afterwards.

Use a consult to datalog ignition advance and rpm/speed just before shift and during to see how the engine is low producing in 0.03 second intervals.The old Q is powerless for 0.8 seconds in each shift.

Recent trannies have cut this in half to 0.4 seconds but they use more shifts in quarter mile. So what you gain in zero to 60 time you may lose a part of above 70.

Easy to mathematically calculate the effects once you have an ACCURATE DYNO TORQUE GRAPH = Rw TQ vs rpm.

If you do the calcs the 1st gear ratio improves 0.45secs and the faster shift [35 mph] nets 0.4 so zero to 60 drops by 0.85 seconds then a 65 mph shift adds 0.4 so the net is 0.45 secs until the next shift which probably doesn't occur in quarter mile.

To overcome the newer transmission and gears one would need to FIND 85-100 more pound feet of torque in the VH45 engine................why an early Q with Nitrous [75 HP shot [120 lb/ft at 3k] and 7300 redline] easily beats a new Q or M45 [1 shift vs 2 or 3].

Stock [with 7300 ecu] the old Q at best is 0.8 seconds behind the latest M45 and 1.6 seconds if you don't just miss rev limiter and have to shift out of second gear. at 99 mph [tire size and growth is critical].

A 7500 rev limit would be better allowing 101 mph in 2nd for 90-93Q

http://www.fullsizechevy.com/f....htmlh ... te....html

[slshearer]

I hope we can get back to the SUBJECT of this thread, No matter what the performance, 1990 to now, Infiniti has produced some of the best cars on the road today! I have owned mine for 16 years, it is over 18 years old, it still looks great, drives great, and can handle any road at an accelerated rate if I want to drive FAST! & I have gone very FAST a few times fastes ever was +140mph and the engine was still pulling hard, the car felt very smooth and solid steering and braking from very high speeds, for you who have never gone that fast, I can assure you that the miles pass by very quickly!

I look at the 16 years of my ownership as a reminder of what I liked when I bought my Q45 and how it feels to drive today and I still LOVE my old Q, kind of like a Best Friend who has served me well.

I really like the new G37, M45 & EX35, they are some of the best cars available for a reasonable price but they don't really drive any better than my old Q45 when I drove them like I drive my car. I do wish my car had cup holders but it doesn't so I will make sure the next Infiniti I get has them for sure. Anyone who has spent the time and effort to maintain their Q knows the car performs as good as it was when it was new. With input from this forum, and current products offered through the Nico Forum & suppliers the performance and reliability are further enhansed giving new life and better performance than the factory delivered Q.

I recently had to take my Q45 to the dealer to figure out what is wrong with my engine, apparently it is a intermitant Fuel Injector, the service department charged me for an hour but had my car for 3 hrs in the shop, they did a safety inspection at the same time, the service manager and mechanic met me to discuss my problem and their comment was " this is one of the nicest Q45's we have seen, what a Great Car you own, that is the reason I have kept my Q45 all these years, it keeps on giving me pleasure to look at, drive and enjoy any kind of road, The Leading car magazines rated the first Q45 & compared it to the world standard for a Performance Sedan and it got BIG Kudos and was judged as one of the best! Yes, cars get better even Infiniti has improved, but it was the Q that set a new standard for a reasonably priced Sport Sedan and therefore raised the bar for the industry!

I love my 1990 Q45, it is still very fast, inspires confidence when driving fast, proven to be extremely reliable, still has people complimenting me on the car and is great fun to drive. Boy what more can you expect from a car? slshearer
Modified by slshearer at 11:58 PM 7/24/2008

[tmak26b]

If you are comfortable with your car, more power to you. With the mass of the car and the size of the brakes, I gurantee you will fade the pads after one stop from 140 to 20. I don't disagree with you that it is a good car, very good car, but to talk like it is the next best thing to slice bread. I think that's a little too far. My wife's S8 can do circles around your Q45, but I hardly think it is a nice car at all.

I hope we can get back to the SUBJECT of this thread, No matter what the performance, 1990 to now, Infiniti has produced some of the best cars on the road today! I have owned mine for 16 years, it is over 18 years old, it still looks great, drives great, and can handle any road at an accelerated rate if I want to drive FAST! & I have gone very FAST a few times fastes ever was +140mph and the engine was still pulling hard, the car felt very smooth and solid steering and braking from very high speeds, for you who have never gone that fast, I can assure you that the miles pass by very quickly!Modified by slshearer at 8:44 PM 7/24/2008

[slshearer]

I hope we can get back to the SUBJECT of this thread,

Whattever! The point is the Q45 set a bar for other manufacturers to raise their bar, That" it no more no less, Not sure what an S8 is cause not many other brands interest me! I do like the fact you list your car as a Boat so maybe that is what's the problem in you undertsanding this forum is about what you like about your Q, it'snot about who is faster or what is better!


Modified by slshearer at 12:18 AM 7/25/2008

[tmak26b]

Whattever! The point is the Q45 set a bar for other manufacturers to raise their bar, That" it no more no less, Not sure what an S8 is cause not many other brands interest me! I do like the fact you list your car as a Boat so maybe that is whats the problem.

You are certainly right they set the bar, but the bar was raised a long time ago with new technology and time. Do you like washed up baseball player too? The ones who are servicable, but not as good as what they were in their prime?

At nearly 200", the car is longer than most minivans and even some trucks. If it is not a boat, what is it? A sports car? Wait, are you telling me your car can outrun mine? Try another car before you make these outrageous comments. I bought my car expecting to be a luxury boat. While it is not bad compare to its competitors, but I dont look at it as my new sports car.

Her S8 is made by Audi

[slshearer]

Like I said



This thread is about what you like about your Q not what you don't like about the car,maybe you should buy a sports car or something which you enjoy instead of something you don't. I DO LIKE MY Q45, SORRY YOU DON"T LIKE YOURS!!!

Good Night!
Modified by slshearer at 12:43 AM 7/25/2008

[tmak26b]

Like I said



This thread is about what you like about your Q not what you don't like about the car,maybe you should buy a sports car or something which you enjoy instead of something you don't. I DO LIKE MY Q45, SORRY YOU DON"T LIKE YOURS!!!

Good Night!

Modified by slshearer at 12:43 AM 7/25/2008

I do have other cars and I like my Q. But I am not blind, I can make a fair judgment even if I like something.

[slshearer]

I do have other cars and I like my Q. But I am not blind, I can make a fair judgment even if I like something.

I Guess You Just Don't Get What The Subject we are Discussing is!!!!

The Subject is " Top 5 reasons you like your Q45 "

There is no comparison being asked, it's what YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR Q,

Hope you got it!

[Q45tech]

A nice thing to like is the old Q transmission is more than $1,800 less expensive to reman [properly] than a new 5 speed with dual lockups. I can live with the extra 0.4 or 0.8 second for that amount of money.

People are really crying at the $6,600 dealer price to replace a G35 5AT.

Same with shocks compare the 90-96 to 97-2001Q.

[maxnix]

Old overbuilt tech is better sometimes than new lightweight higher tech.