Tolerance: Vice or virtue in political activities, thoughts, and actions.

[Jacko3]

While polarization isn't exactly a new phenomenon in american politics (for example Thomas Jefferson's bitter political campaign for the Presidency with John Adams), it would appear that given the availability and accessibility of relevant information, greater accessibility to education by many in our nation, and a purportedly freer society since the exposure of the failings of communism as a poliitcal ideal, and the spread of globalization, modern day americans may be less tolerant of each other's ideas, actions and positions, to the extent that acculturation, sophisticated political markerting techniques, and unsually evident assymetric information, may have contributed in varying degrees, to widening levels of limited tolerance in our political system.

It would appear that this polarization, a result of less tolerance of various brands, has been transferred into just about every facet of our society, to include, the internet websites, forums, and blogs, fast-food places, churches, public transportaiton systems, schools, etc, in ways that may not lend itself to an easy and coordinated observation. What level of tolerance is acceptable for a society that pitches its tent as the epitome of freedom and democracy, when one considers tolerance from various perspectives as earlier outlined, as in internet websites, forums, and blogs, in fast-food places, in churches, in public transportaiton systems, in schools etc.? Can a democracy remain strong and yet be tolerant of every ideal, action, and thought? Is democracy really democracy when limited tolerance is the norm? How far, can tolerance be a change agent? Who are the stakeholders of a tolerant society, and in what context can they be effcetive, and how? Note, less tolerance does not mean or imply intolerance. These questions apply to anyone personally, intellectually, and professionally.

Modified by Jacko3 at 2:53 PM 2/24/2009
Modified by Jacko3 at 3:38 PM 2/24/2009

[audtatious]

Dude, this is not a place to write college essays to get a question out. Follow the K.I.S.S method - Keep It Simple Stupid

I don't see where people are less tolerant of others they meet on a daily basis. I do see that they are less tolerant of having others viewpoints shoved down their throats as fact with disregard to discussion.

[Jacko3]

Dude, this is not a place to write college essays to get a question out. Follow the K.I.S.S method - Keep It Simple Stupid

I don't see where people are less tolerant of others they meet on a daily basis. I do see that they are less tolerant of having others viewpoints shoved down their throats as fact with disregard to discussion.

What college essay? Is KISS supposed to be some sort of euphemism for "I do not want to over think a concept"? This is my first time with that word, KISS Who or what group is shoving down what, down whose throats, and how is this related to any purported discussion? Could you assist me here?

[audtatious]

Your OP reads like a college textbook. Most people will stop reading it after the first line. KISS simply means to keep things to as much of a simplistic level as possible. Why tear down and rebuild your current home that is too small when you simply could have added to it....That's KISS. In this case, why write something like a college essay when you could have simplified it.

No, I did not read it all so simply ignore my tolerance comments.

[Jacko3]

Your OP reads like a college textbook. Most people will stop reading it after the first line. KISS simply means to keep things to as much of a simplistic level as possible. Why tear down and rebuild your current home that is too small when you simply could have added to it....That's KISS. In this case, why write something like a college essay when you could have simplified it.

No, I did not read it all so simply ignore my tolerance comments.

What do you think I do partly for a living? Who are the most people referred to? And what is simplicity, and what role does it play in the ever complex world of tolerance? How does one address a benign but active and complex concept such as tolerance with relatively simple thoughts? And, why not write it like a college essay to begin with? Each time one asks why, I am apt to ask why not? What do you think?

[480sx]

I think you should find a philosophy forum.

[audtatious]

What do you think I do partly for a living? Who are the most people referred to? And what is simplicity, and what role does it play in the ever complex world of tolerance? How does one address a benign but active and complex concept such as tolerance with relatively simple thoughts? And, why not write it like a college essay to begin with? Each time one asks why, I am apt to ask why not? What do you think?

I think I'm about to put you on my ignore list.

[AZhitman]

Is KISS supposed to be some sort of euphemism for "I do not want to over think a concept"? This is my first time with that word, KISS

Follow the K.I.S.S method - Keep It Simple Stupid

Reading Is Fundamental.

This is why no one's interested in engaging in discussions with you.

Your random stream-of-consciousness psychoblather is inane and certainly leads me to doubt your alleged profession.

[AZhitman]

Who are the most people referred to?

And what is simplicity, and what role does it play in the ever complex world of tolerance?

Here's a news flash: If smart people think, when they read something you've posted, it means one of two things:

They're dumb.Your question is ridiculous.

I'm inclined to believe the latter.

Simplicity in speech and written communication is far more impressive than vague and nebulous chatter.

Might I suggest:

http://www.timesrecordnews.com...se-on/

[dusred]

Most people will stop reading it after the first line.

I read the first line and then went to the comments

I think you should find a philosophy forum.

Your random stream-of-consciousness psychoblather is inane and certainly leads me to doubt your alleged profession.

For a minute there I thought Jacko had hijacked your account, Greg.

But yeah, Jacko, this is an automotive forum and most of us folks here are quite simple minded. Please do your best to keep it simple.

Thanks!

Edit -

Just so you know what I'm talking about, Jacko, here you go:

polarization phenomenon purportedly communism globalization acculturation sophisticated assymetric polarization facet society epitome stakeholders intellectually

These kinds of words us simple country folk have a hard time wrapping our minds around.

[480sx]

polarization phenomenon purportedly communism globalization acculturation sophisticated assymetric polarization facet society epitome stakeholders intellectually

I first tried to read that like it was a sentence and got about 4 words in and just started geeking out. Lol +1 for random laugh of the day.

[audtatious]

polarization phenomenon purportedly communism globalization acculturation sophisticated assymetric polarization facet society epitome stakeholders intellectually

I will help you

Polarization is a kind of glass in sunglasses

phenomenon is a movie with John Travolta

purportedly is the act of intentionally getting fat (portly)

communism is what Russia was

globalization...hell, I dunno what that is

acculturation is what a doctor does when seeing if you are really sick or not

sophisticated is how city folk say they are different than us rednecks

asymetrical is a type of cymbal sued with a drum set

facet is a point cut into a diamond ring

epitome is one of those old record labels from the 50's

stakeholder is the person who holds the stake over the vampires heart. Not to be confused with the steakhitter

intellectually is using big words in order to confuse people into thinking they are smart

I hope that clears things up for you.....

[dusred]

If you say you didn't use Google I'm going to raise the BS flag

[480sx]

^^

EDIT 4 Dusred's same timed post - I googled Epitome, i was shady on that one but knew what context it could be used in.

[audtatious]

If you say you didn't use Google I'm going to raise the BS flag

Bah. I do technical writing and run across people who think using big words are impressive all the time. I usually spend my time explaining it in basic English in order for my customers to understand it. Nothing new to me other than I don't have to take the time to read the crap posted up above.

[Jacko3]

Here's a news flash: If smart people think, when they read something you've posted, it means one of two things:

They're dumb.Your question is ridiculous.

I'm inclined to believe the latter.

Simplicity in speech and written communication is far more impressive than vague and nebulous chatter.

Might I suggest:

http://www.timesrecordnews.com...se-on/

seems some people feel intimidated

[AZhitman]

Not a chance.

I don't intimidate easily - Physically or intellectually.

[Jacko3]

I read the first line and then went to the comments



For a minute there I thought Jacko had hijacked your account, Greg.

But yeah, Jacko, this is an automotive forum and most of us folks here are quite simple minded. Please do your best to keep it simple.

Thanks!

Edit -

Just so you know what I'm talking about, Jacko, here you go:

These kinds of words us simple country folk have a hard time wrapping our minds around.

Thank you. Your comment is the most mature and human comment so far. Well said! If members talked to other people the way you do, would be in a state of constant advacement.

By the way, look around at other comments, Isn't it amazing how I can easily bait some people who claim to be in control?

[Jacko3]

Not a chance.

I don't intimidate easily - Physically or intellectually.

Gregg:

I am tenacious in my own way. Whether you like it or not, you are gonna be Jacko's best friend someday.

[AZhitman]

Gregg:

I am tenacious in my own way. Whether you like it or not, you are gonna be Jacko's best friend someday.

Good to know.

I dated a girl recently who said, "Like it or not, you and I are going to be married someday."

Her sh*t was on the curb within the hour.

Coincidentally, she was "all fluff, no substance" too.

[liquid_cool]

Tolorance is what your asking..why Americans dont have it like other wussifyed nations?..i know why i dont..becouse i wont change my viewpoints or beliefes becouse it bennifits me for a certain moment...why ask for tolorance?.. in the first place to ask for a solution to a difference by in point of view,beliefs,ect..in a way to make the other party change there fudamental position makes the person asking..well..intolorable..

thats my answer to that term paper..read it as you may..but i will never give in to changing a belief or point of view i hold to apease onother party or person in the battle of idea's ...

[Jacko3]

I think you should find a philosophy forum.

Various aspects of a political discussion require investments in ideologies or philosophies. I wish it were different for humanity. However, that isn't the case.

[Jacko3]

Good to know.

I dated a girl recently who said, "Like it or not, you and I are going to be married someday."

Her sh*t was on the curb within the hour.

Coincidentally, she was "all fluff, no substance" too.

LOL! I like that. That was funny. So, how was your day today at work?

[Jacko3]

Tolorance is what your asking..why Americans dont have it like other wussifyed nations?..i know why i dont..becouse i wont change my viewpoints or beliefes becouse it bennifits me for a certain moment...why ask for tolorance?.. in the first place to ask for a solution to a difference by in point of view,beliefs,ect..in a way to make the other party change there fudamental position makes the person asking..well..intolorable..

thats my answer to that term paper..read it as you may..but i will never give in to changing a belief or point of view i hold to apease onother party or person in the battle of idea's ...

Interesting! You seem upset, and yet you are unaware that i actually agree with your views in your last sentence. I thought that was a nice heart-felt comment. what you have said is the fundamental basis of a good debate--how do you hold your own without giving in? So, I am unsure why you are upset, when you presented a great idea.

"thats my answer to that term paper..read it as you may..but i will never give in to changing a belief or point of view i hold to apease onother party or person in the battle of idea's"

[Jacko3]

I will help you

Polarization is a kind of glass in sunglasses

phenomenon is a movie with John Travolta

purportedly is the act of intentionally getting fat (portly)

communism is what Russia was

globalization...hell, I dunno what that is

acculturation is what a doctor does when seeing if you are really sick or not

sophisticated is how city folk say they are different than us rednecks

asymetrical is a type of cymbal sued with a drum set

facet is a point cut into a diamond ring

epitome is one of those old record labels from the 50's

stakeholder is the person who holds the stake over the vampires heart. Not to be confused with the steakhitter

intellectually is using big words in order to confuse people into thinking they are smart

I hope that clears things up for you.....

Beautiful! This is the the funniest and cutest ad hoc prose created from the work of another. Ingenious! Nice. I like it.

[dusred]

Oh noes! I need your help again Matt:

aspects ideologies philosophies

[liquid_cool]

im not upset at the argument sir..only the party i was discussing "republicans"..untill they listen to the real base in america.."Conservatives"..they will forever loose..rite now in this country we have the minority party leading the majority of the population..and its disturbing to say the least.

[heliochrome85]

While polarization isn't exactly a new phenomenon in american politics (for example Thomas Jefferson's bitter political campaign for the Presidency with John Adams), it would appear that given the availability and accessibility of relevant information, greater accessibility to education by many in our nation, and a purportedly freer society since the exposure of the failings of communism as a poliitcal ideal, and the spread of globalization, modern day americans may be less tolerant of each other's ideas, actions and positions, to the extent that acculturation, sophisticated political markerting techniques, and unsually evident assymetric information, may have contributed in varying degrees, to widening levels of limited tolerance in our political system.

Modified by Jacko3 at 2:53 PM 2/24/2009

Modified by Jacko3 at 3:38 PM 2/24/2009

See, while I COULD take you guys to task (DUSRED), I'll just say this. Jacko and I have had more than a few run-ins on the G forums. I have no trouble seeing right through his wall of text. I find it comical that you guys picked on his "high falutin' words" and no one mentioned that the entire first "paragraph" is ONE SENTENCE. Mind you, with MULTIPLE ANDS, when the rules of modern standard English allow for one "and." Good job Jacko. Why dont you stick to the G forums where you can pontificate on the glories of your car, and driving in general. As I've said before to many Johnny come-latelys, Quiet, Men are talking.

[audtatious]

I notice he is starting to use the all over the place again.

Jack, you may want to stay in G forums.....I'm just sayin....

[480sx]

Hes really tryen to prop himself up as some kind of intellectual, distancing him from his own comments/'arguments' and banter with redirects and praise for an opposing view points and criticism. I had respect for this guy(i guess mainly because of his title, but he had been adding somewhat productive posts) but he lost it all today in a few threads.

Im already ignoring his posts.. I suppose thats pretty fallacious but for real, i read that s*** and while i comprehend it, he uses a verbose version of english thats not really fitting in this situation at all. In addition the redirects are so f***ing obnoxious its ridiculous. You bring up a point, and instead of giving you an answer to a point this guy asks you 10 questions. Like. Dude, simple. Respond to the point without redirecting or GTFO.

My advice to you if you feel the need to stay here is get yourself off the pedestal you put yourself up on and be real with yourself. Your no political guru, you might be slightly gifted, but your display today in this forum are generally received as a joke. Take the stick out of your a** and just be real dude. Dont jump on someones dvk who criticizes you while ignoring their point, it just makes you look.. bad.
Modified by 480sx at 11:58 PM 2/24/2009