Today is the Obama Crowley Gates beer summit!

[audtatious]

Sorry I took a while, these things don't let themselves get photographed that easily. Here's one I found at Griffith Park:

Aint that purdy.

[audtatious]

Yeah its funny how republicans think this way but then turn around and claim that they are the party of personal responsibility

Modified by Kohster at 10:11 AM 8/5/2009

Personal responsibility is directly up to the individual. It should not be up to Federal, State or local Gov to mandate people to take care of those who choose not to be personally responsible. I'm sure you feel the exact opposite.

[Kohster]

Personal responsibility is directly up to the individual. It should not be up to Federal, State or local Gov to mandate people to take care of those who choose not to be personally responsible. I'm sure you feel the exact opposite.

My point went right over your head, apparently.http://vids.myspace.com/index....99495 lmao @ the middle america character!

[srellim234]

Personal responsibility is directly up to the individual. It should not be up to Federal, State or local Gov to mandate people to take care of those who choose not to be personally responsible. I'm sure you feel the exact opposite.

You are opening up an entire can of worms with that approach unless you are arguing in favor of a total Libertarian platform and against both the Republicans and the Democrats.

First off, in the manner of healthcare, people who do take responsibility but simply cannot afford healthcare or are refused payment by their insurance companies after treatment do not fall under your definition. Those are people that as Americans we should lend a helping hand to.

Under your definition, it was the responsibility of each Iraqi citizen to clean up his country under Saddam Hussein. We had absolutely no business going there in the first place.

Gay Americans who do take responsibility for taking care of themselves and each other are being denied the same rights as everyone else because the Republicans have chosen to deny them the ability to take that responsibility.

Same rule applies to denying abortion rights. The woman trying to take responsibility for her own life is being denied that. Under your definition, it's the fetus' responsibility to fend for itself.

The list can go on and on.

I'm not saying one way or another whether I agree with things like abortion rights, but if you are going to apply your logic it certainly fits. You don't want Democrats in your pocketbooks? How about Republicans in our personal lives (and stealing us blind while they're doing it)?

[AZhitman]

In a sailboat.

But there's a skillset involved with that that most people don't have, and that goes double for you desert dwelling bedouins.

REAL boats have motors.

You won't catch me on anything of the sort. Sailing ranks right up there with needlepoint on my "ghey hobbies" list.

[audtatious]

You are opening up an entire can of worms with that approach unless you are arguing in favor of a total Libertarian platform and against both the Republicans and the Democrats.

I'm telling him what he wants to hear.

[themadscientist]

You are opening up an entire can of worms with that approach unless you are arguing in favor of a total Libertarian platform and against both the Republicans and the Democrats.

I like a lot of what I see.

http://www.lp.org/platform

[Kohster]

I'm telling him what he wants to hear.

Huh?

Im guessing you're not liked very much by the members here

[dusred]

I like how people in this thread say "yeah california sucks" but then they come here to vacation. Yeah, not hypocritical at all. lmao.

Notice how we just go there for vacation and we don't actually live there?

Go figure.

[Kohster]

Not much to figure out, you just can't afford to live here. I'm glad it's expensive to live here otherwise it might be 80 million people living here instead of 40 million.

[szh]

Not much to figure out, you just can't afford to live here. I'm glad it's expensive to live here otherwise it might be 80 million people living here instead of 40 million.

Interesting that most of those 40 million have a lower standard of living overall than many other states in the US, by the way.

Z

[AZhitman]

I'm not sure how smart it is to pay $700K for a 3800 square foot new house in a new development, when I can buy the same house here for $200K... the wages aren't that different, and the only upside is the weather.

Then again, we have rain 15 days a year, no snow, and more sunshine than any state in the US.

I don't see a half-million bucks worth of benefit.

[Kohster]

the only upside is the weather.

ahem, did you read red coupes list? You forgot the beaches, hot girls (a lot who've migrated from the midwest, btw) the nightlife, etc... it's a never ending list.

I remember I stayed in a village in illinois a while back for business and every time i mentioned I was from LA people (especially girls) were impressed and amazed and asked what it was like; no joke! I guess that's to be expected in middle america since where they live sucks, at least according to them.

Yeah, people pay through their noses to live here, but as long as they're in CA it's worth it for them.

[AZhitman]

ahem, did you read red coupes list? You forgot the beaches, hot girls (a lot who've migrated from the midwest, btw) the nightlife, etc... it's a never ending list.

Beaches? No time to visit them if you're working two jobs to pay for that overpriced house.

Hot girls? Overrated. Lots of places say they have the hottest. Hot means nothing if they're annoying, which I find a lot of SoCal girls to be.

Nightlife? I live in the 5th-largest city in the US. Plenty to do here at night, and there's actually room to navigate - overpopulation sucks.

Like I said, if that's all worth a half-mil, great. I don't find any of those things to be worth it.

[Kohster]

Plenty to do here at night

Like what? Cow tipping?

[AZhitman]

Haven't seen many cows in AZ. You should travel more.

There's nothing nightlife-oriented in CA that we don't have here. Period.

CA just has a lot more establishments that cater to the *ahem* alternative-lifestyle" crowd.

[Kohster]

Wow, redcoupe was right, you guys cant take a joke. Try laughing at yourself more often. It'll make living in AZ easier

[audtatious]

Huh?

Im guessing you're not liked very much by the members here

You must have missed your sensitivity training. My feelings are hurt now.

[audtatious]

Wow, redcoupe was right, you guys cant take a joke. Try laughing at yourself more often.

I live in middleville of nowhere as seen by this picture which is quite similar to the ones above.

[Kohster]

I live in middleville of nowhere as seen by this picture which is quite similar to the ones above.

No kidding. Lmao look at that cornfield.

[audtatious]

Watch out for the children that live in there. I forgot to take a pic of the scarecrow tho.

[dusred]

hot girls

Come to Utah, lots of hot girls here .

srsly, you think that California is the only place hot girls are? Gosh your stupid.

What would happen if you left your vehicle unlocked, the keys in it and your suit case full of hundreds sitting on the passenger seat and all the doors open overnight? Here where I live nothing would happen. I would come in the morning and all would be the same.

People are murdered, raped, and stabbed to death hourly in Cali - oh and did I mention that if you get a traffic ticket you have to pay for it up front and than if you are found not guilty you get PART of it back? Nice, most awesome place to live EVER!

[themadscientist]

Huh?

Im guessing you're not liked very much by the members here

I like him. Want to know how you stack up? Don't suppose to speak for everyone. I know Libbies think that is their right but it's not.

I live in middleville of nowhere as seen by this picture which is quite similar to the ones above.

HAHAHA!It's the corn man!

Come to Utah, lots of hot girls here .

srsly, you think that California is the only place hot girls are? Gosh your stupid.

Let's not engage in ad hominem now. It was funny though to tell someone else YOUR stupid. Ah sweet irony.

[audtatious]

I <heart> U

[Kohster]

Come to Utah, lots of hot girls here .

eh, no thanks. I'd rather stay hear near the ocean since the coastline naturally attracts the hottest women from across the country and the globe.

srsly, you think that California is the only place hot girls are? Gosh your stupid.

Do you really expect me to take you seriously when you spell the word like a high school freshman? lol

And mad, you beat me to it when he also misspelled the word "you're." Lmao @ dusred.

What would happen if you left your vehicle unlocked, the keys in it and your suit case full of hundreds sitting on the passenger seat and all the doors open overnight?

Well if I was dumb enough to do that then I would deserve to get robbed.

Quote »Here where I live nothing would happen. I would come in the morning and all would be the same. [/quote]Yeah, because there isn't anyone around for miles to steal the cash lol

People are murdered, raped, and stabbed to death hourly in Cali

ANOTHER UNINFORMED ASSUMPTION BY DUSRED

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U..._rate

If you'll set the list as descending in terms of violent crime, you will see that only one city (oakland lol) in all of CA is in the top 20 cities with the most violent crime. The rest of the cities are places like Cleveland, Memphis, St. Louis, Milwaukee, Massachusetts, Nashville, etc.. So you're actually wrong, Dusred.

oh and did I mention that if you get a traffic ticket you have to pay for it up front and than if you are found not guilty you get PART of it back?

I got a ticket that I contested later on. After I won the city mailed me back the money I paid. so, wrong again.

Quote »Nice, most awesome place to live EVER![/quote]Yep, it is. Thanks for the compliment.

[marlin29311]

If you'll set the list as descending in terms of violent crime, you will see that only one city (oakland lol) in all of CA is in the top 20 cities with the most violent crime. The rest of the cities are places like Cleveland, Memphis, St. Louis, Milwaukee, Massachusetts, Nashville, etc.. So you're actually wrong, Dusred.

Don't hate me, but Massachusetts is a State, not a City.

[Kohster]

lmao nice catch. Thats what I get for partying wayy to much last night at the cahuenga corridor in Hollywood. lol.

[hannibal]

REAL boats have motors.

You won't catch me on anything of the sort. Sailing ranks right up there with needlepoint on my "ghey hobbies" list.

You have obviously never been sailing.

original topic, beer is good...

[dusred]

If you'll set the list as descending in terms of violent crime, you will see that only one city (oakland lol) in all of CA is in the top 20 cities with the most violent crime. The rest of the cities are places like Cleveland, Memphis, St. Louis, Milwaukee, Massachusetts, Nashville, etc.. So you're actually wrong, Dusred.

.

I was going to say something about how this is the internet and not everyone is grammar gods but I think I can add that not all of us are Geography gods too.

[Kohster]

Actually what happened is that I was copy and pasting from the list and I copied ma instead of boston. I was joking about partying in hollywood, I actually partied at newport beach last night. Good times. God bless ca