I encourage you to try Acura Navi and Voice command and compare, I'm not saying I don't like my M, but the fanatical blind loyalty is the other extreme of what you are accusing others of. Every car and maker has it's issues, strengths and weaknesses, Infiniti, Acura, Ford, GM, MB, BMW and on and on. Clearly Ford has done somhing right as they have risen form the dead on their own over the last few years. The M is truly a hit, yes sales are about double where they were last year, but that is not to say the M does not have issues. I'm always amazed how forums are suppoed to be an open way to communicate and share ideas and opinions, yet when someone shares an opinion others don't agree with there is a group of people who go on the attact.abrader wrote: Nothing about the Infiniti M is 'dark ages'![]()
Just because you don't like something doesn't mean other people don't like it, abrader. And just because you're happy with your M's level of technology doesn't mean others are completely satisfied. That doesn't mean the car isn't a great deal for the price, but the 2011 M is far from perfect. If it was perfect, it would be selling more than 1,251 units per month. (Compare that to the 5,882 E-Class units sold last month.)abrader wrote:For real - social marketers head back to wakopedia. Your posting style is obvious, and as I said nobody )))here((( wants ford Sync. I dont live in a sheltered world, I have used it and it sux, just like driving a ford sucks and just like Microsoft winblows sucks.
Can you get me a screen shot? That would be very helpful to show the guy tomorrow and get an answer.infiniti_lineup wrote:You are correct in stating that the information related to XM NavWeather® and XM NavTraffic is not posted in that bulletin. That information was released via NNANet to all Dealership and Corporate employees, as I had stated earlier in this thread.
I've made no secret of my posting on multiple sites, consistently using the exact same username on each. If I had something to hide, each website would have a different handle.infiniti_lineup wrote:It was because of my difficulty in finding proper information on those portals that I took my search to Google, in hopes that I would find another automotive manufacture's consumer experiencing similar issues with positive outcomes. Instead of locating that sort of information, I found tens upon TENS of your own posts on several other online mediums (other forums, magazine reviews, consumer report websites, etc.). In the event that you can't recall your absurd behavior, here are some links to just a FEW of the websites you've spammed with your list of complaints:
Real men don't have to apologize, backpedal, edit postings, or lie to cover up misbehavior. How sad.Blastphemy wrote:Sure, I may have gone a little overboard in the comments sections of various websites
Ok, Mr. Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval.Blastphemy wrote: I believe a fully-informed consumer is a powerful consumer.
It's a big cover-up! Conspiracy and fraud! The public has been misled! Sound the alarms and begin a full investigation!Blastphemy wrote:Trying to hide the fact that XM NavTraffic doesn't work, and that certain features found on pre-2011 Ms are no longer included in the car, is not the way to sell cars.
...and if you think fabricating a massive list of "complaints" that really boils down to a couple minor glitches, surrounded by features the car doesn't have in the first place, will change anyone's mind, you must think you're far sharper than you really are.Blastphemy wrote:And if you think cheerleading the brand despite its failings will change anyone's mind, it won't.
...and when you "cry wolf" with made-up "problems" that aren't really problems at all (they're things that don't work the way YOU want them to, or they're things that aren't offered on the car at all (around view - duh), which you should have known before signing the papers), then your credibility suffers.Blastphemy wrote: ...when you have such a difficult time admitting a simple error regarding a software update that doesn't do what you say, I lose a little faith.
I think you and infiniti_lineup are overracting and overstating, but I doubt either of you really cares what I think at this point. This has obviously gotten out of hand, and I admit I haven't helped. Suffice it to say, I bought the car fully informed. It was the "best car for the price," even though it wasn't the "best car."AZhitman wrote:The part that makes me chuckle is this, and please don't take it personally (or do, I don't care)...
Yes, I suppose Ben won't let me buy that 2011 QX56 I've been eyeing. That'll show me! BTW, good use of the thesaurus there with "pecuniary"!infiniti_lineup wrote:Instead, the response you've warranted with your abusive posts has earned yourself a formal internal letter to Parkway Infiniti and Benjamin Poore that inform them of your efforts to defame the Infiniti brand and dissuade potential purchasers. You've managed to attack Infiniti's core pecuniary revenue, something that isn't taken lightly by either the Corporate Division or Regional Retailers and you'll have to deal with whatever consequences may arise from that.
Any time someone starts talking about "real men," I just tune out. Pissing contests are for neandertals and children, not adults. Adults admit their mistakes and try to correct the problem, not continually try to justify their errors and then complain to corporate that the mean man is still posting his opinions, like infiniti_lineup. As previously noted, I don't suffer fools. Granted, I could do a better job of being less abrasive - and I've tried. By now, though, I should realize that trying to rationalize with people I consider "fanboys" like infiniti_lineup (and now abrader) isn't worth it since no logical argument will ever win out against "no one wants that" and "you don't know what you're talking about" and "facts don't matter, just my opinions" and "real men don't do X."AZhitman wrote:Real men don't have to apologize, backpedal, edit postings, or lie to cover up misbehavior. How sad.
Ahhh. I suspected as much. Wondered why a grown man of your means would have "roommates".Blastphemy wrote:Any time someone starts talking about "real men," I just tune out.
Because you didn't show up with one. Logic dictates that you address the FACTUAL issues I pointed out. Or do facts not matter - just YOUR opinions?Blastphemy wrote:...no logical argument will ever win out...
So, you got what you paid for.Blastphemy wrote:my lease was up, and I had no intention of wasting money on any overpriced competitor, so the 2011 M it was
Oh puh-leeeze.Blastphemy wrote:As previously noted, I don't suffer fools.
Yes! I met with Joe Sorzano today, a regional Infiniti Technical Specialist who is handling the software issues I've identified. He installed a beta software update X1U62008 that he wants me to test out and see if it resolves any of the problems. He also discussed with me the various reasons why certain things have seemingly regressed from the 2008 M, and assured me that Japan was aware of third-party vendor issues like Grand Avenue in Los Angeles not being found as an address destination, among others. He also noted I wasn't the only person to report some of the complaints in my list, and that engineers were working hard to reconcile disparate functionality desires as best they can, as quickly as possible. (He also hinted that the soon-to-be-released Leaf may have a computer/nav system that strongly competes with Ford's new system, as seen in Edge commericals.)AZhitman wrote:Have there been any developments from the General Manager's promise to "make some calls" re: the XM NavTraffic issue?
Excellent info. I've actually recently rec'd a couple PM's from other members (who didn't wish to post / enter the fray) who are taking the same fight to their dealerships in seemingly parallel cases. Eager to see what Infiniti DOES about it now.Blastphemy wrote:Yes! I met with Joe Sorzano today, a regional Infiniti Technical Specialist who is handling the software issues I've identified. He installed a beta software update X1U62008 that he wants me to test out and see if it resolves any of the problems. He also discussed with me the various reasons why certain things have seemingly regressed from the 2008 M, and assured me that Japan was aware of third-party vendor issues like Grand Avenue in Los Angeles not being found as an address destination, among others. He also noted I wasn't the only person to report some of the complaints in my list, and that engineers were working hard to reconcile disparate functionality desires as best they can, as quickly as possible. (He also hinted that the soon-to-be-released Leaf may have a computer/nav system that strongly competes with Ford's new system, as seen in Edge commericals.)
As for the ITB10-031 update, he confirmed that it's purpose was to resolve issues with the iPhone and iPod touch; not to resolve any NavTraffic issues as claimed by infiniti_lineup. The infamous Discs 1 & 2 updated 09-10 MAP No.1 to 09-10 MAP No.1b in vehicles that didn't already have it - nothing else. The 09-10 MAP No.1b update does incorporate older nav improvements that are already installed at the factory on Infinitis manufactured after 2009, but there's no "special" additional XM NavTraffic software on Disc 2 that does what infiniti_lineup incorrectly claims it does on 2010/11 models that already have 09-10 MAP No.1b.
Blastphemy wrote:As for the preceding two posts, I'm just going to ignore them since they're pretty meaningless, although also mean-spirited.
The answer I got was that data on Discs 1 & 2 refers to prior updates that are already included in vehicles with map update 09-10 MAP No.1b. So if a customer did not have 09-10 MAP No.1b, then such customer would see some improvement in their XM Weather with the installation of Disc 2. But any vehicle that already has 09-10 MAP No.1b already has those upgrades, and Disc 3 brings the software current and as up-to-date as possible, but without additional XM Weather/Nav updates. No other XM NavTraffic updates exist for 2010/2011 models except in beta, and only a few of us have that X1U62008 version installed to test.infiniti_lineup wrote: 1. I'm happy to hear that your issue is resolved, or at least in the process of being resolved.
2. I had never stated that your two cars were the only affected. I had only hinted that you were the only person with that complaint that I've heard from/of. Please re-read my previous posts.
3. Please tell Mr. Sorzano to look at ASEST Document titled "Inclusion Update - Original (Received from TN)" under OSC LB-93, General - 4Q, 2010 on NNANet. He must have access to NMCORP in order to view the document, which I'd suppose he does have since he is employed as a specialist. That's where I got my information regarding the XM NavTraffic & NavWeather updates included on Disc 2/3 (Yellow)
4. You are correct in stating that the 09-10 MAP No.1b update does include improvements from those that were factory-installed on models after its release. Disc 1/3 (Red) and Disc 2/3 (Yellow) include the software update, as Mr. Soranzo stated, however I stand by comment regarding the XM NavTraffic and NavWeather update being included on Disc 2/3 (Yellow). I have never been proven wrong from any document on NNANet. Ever. If it states that Disc 2/3 (Yellow) includes the XM NavTraffic & NavWeather update, then it is correct.
Now, we may be confused over wether XM NavTraffic & NavWeather was included in the 09-10 MAP No.1b update OR as a separate software update inclusion on Disc 2/3. The document that I've referred Mr. Soranzo to (in #3) does not distinct between new inclusions and ported inclusions. You and he may very well be correct in stating that Disc 2/3 (Yellow) does not include any other XM NavTraffic & NavWeather updates, but it may be included in the 09-10 MAP No.1b update.
Mr. Soranzo, if he has been involved in previous Navigation software update projects, would be able to clear this entire situation up. It's getting far too technical and detailed-involved for me.
Welcome to NICO!
The problem that you are experiencing isn't normal. Moreover, I don't believe that updating the system with new software will fix it. In fact, there currently is not an update available from Infiniti for the 2008 Infiniti M-Series - so we'll have to work around that idea and see what else is causing the issue to arise.
First, do you have another Apple product that you could plug into the system? This will allow us to determine if the issue lies within the vehicle's system or within your iPhone 3GS — should the system start playing sound/charging with the alternate Apple product, we will know that the iPhone 3GS is causing the issues but, should the system continue the existing issues with the alternate Apple product, we will know that it is the system that has the issue.
If it is determined that your iPhone 3GS is the "culprit" — backup your data via iTunes, perform a hard reset on the iPhone, then update it to the most recent software update available (iOS 4.1, at the moment). If this doesn't solve the issue, then test your iPhone in another docking station to see if music/charging occurs, as you may have a defective docking port.
If it is determined that the vehicle system is the "culprit" — make an appointment with your Infiniti Dealership's Service Department and request a technician to spend time with you. Show them the issue that is occurring and allow them to diagnosis the issue from a technical standpoint. Likely, they will end up replacing the NAVI or AV Control Unit (whichever is applicable to your 2008 Infiniti M35).
infiniti_lineup wrote: I suppose that mentality is okay, that is, the mentality not to update if nothing is broken. The update will always be available for you to opt for and the cost always be free (until you surpass Basic Warranty Coverage), so if you'd rather not update until something goes awry, then do so!
In the end, it's a decision for you to make. Updating the software won't affect your current connections between the M37 and your iPod/iPhone/Bluetooth devices, but rather reduce the potential of problems with other devices that were experiencing connectivity issues before the update was issued. You may find it to prove useful to have the update done now, as when you try to connect with a device that experiences issues without the update installed, you will be forced to bring your M37 into your local Infiniti Dealership for service at that time — which can become a hassle.
Again, it's up to you to make that decision!
Infiniti wound up completely replacing my door speaker. The buzzing is now gone. Since that speaker was defective, I wonder if it was the same issue everyone else was having, or if it was a coincidence? No way to know, unfortunately...abrader wrote:I have a slight case of this too - but what can they do to fix?kluken wrote: Blastphemy wrote: DOOR SPEAKER
• The speaker in the front passenger door frequently exhibits a distracting sympathetic vibration.
They know about this, my car is in right now for both door panels and back deck. When I went in last week they asked me to reschedule becasue factory rep needs to be involved, they are getting numerous complaints about this. I have a a CD with 11 tracks that can reporduce most of the buzzy panels. One track I listened to with rep and I said sound s liek back deck too, he said no it sounds like all over is buzzing, so all 4 doors and back deck. So I suspect they will have my car a few days now to go over it.
I never heard from Benjamin, aside from a generic 'thank you for buying' signed by him that was probably just a form letter. Guess he didn't feel I was 'attacking Infiniti's core pecuniary revenue' by pointing out known issues with Infiniti's new flagship car that helpfully led to this new ITBBlastphemy wrote:Yes, I suppose Ben won't let me buy that 2011 QX56 I've been eyeing. That'll show me! BTW, good use of the thesaurus there with "pecuniary"!infiniti_lineup wrote:Instead, the response you've warranted with your abusive posts has earned yourself a formal internal letter to Parkway Infiniti and Benjamin Poore that inform them of your efforts to defame the Infiniti brand and dissuade potential purchasers. You've managed to attack Infiniti's core pecuniary revenue, something that isn't taken lightly by either the Corporate Division or Regional Retailers and you'll have to deal with whatever consequences may arise from that.
My roommates are GONE! I got married! I'm finally a real man! Yay! Now AZHitman will love me - well, like a man, at leastBlastphemy wrote:Any time someone starts talking about "real men," I just tune out. Pissing contests are for neandertals and children, not adults.AZhitman wrote:Real men don't have to apologize, backpedal, edit postings, or lie to cover up misbehavior. How sad.
Nope.Blastphemy wrote:My roommates are GONE! I got married! I'm finally a real man! Yay! Now AZHitman will love me - well, like a man, at least.
Wonder if that's more an iPhone issue than anything else?h.pylori wrote:I HAD THE ITB10066 UPDATE DONE AND IT HASN'T FIXED ANY OF THE ISSUES THAT I'VE BEEN HAVING WITH MY iPHONE 4, LIKE THE HANDSET PHONEBOOK NEVER BEING AVAILABLE, THE CALL HISTORY LIST IS NEVER UPDATED, BLUETOOTH AUDIO IS CHOPPY, JUST TO NAME A FEW. NEXT STEP IS TO FLASH THE ORIGINAL DISKS THEN APPLY UPDATES AND IF IT IS STILL NOT WORKING, I'M TOLD THAT MY AV UNIT WILL BE REPLACED FROM THERE. PRETTY ANNOYING IF YOU ASK ME AND I WORK FOR AN INFINITI DEALERSHIP!
I think yours was a coincidence as at least with mine they spent 2 days taking the doors and rear deck apart and padding to fix all my speaker noises. They did a great job as it was done in September and the doors have been perfect since. The rear shade makes the back deck more tricky, but it is still much better and only buzzes under extreme low frequency ata specific volume.Blastphemy wrote:
Infiniti wound up completely replacing my door speaker. The buzzing is now gone. Since that speaker was defective, I wonder if it was the same issue everyone else was having, or if it was a coincidence? No way to know, unfortunately...
Cool!h.pylori wrote:AZhitman, You were right, the CAPSLOCK001 update worked!
h.pylori wrote:AZhitman, You were right, the CAPSLOCK001 update worked!
I understand that feeling, I won't go o far as to swear off owning another, but they'd have to have something no one else had to sucker me in. Maybe we just need to turn Japanese and the electronics in these cars will suddenly make sense?kluken wrote:At this point I like the car, but Infiniti Electronics SUCK and will make this the last Nissan based product I'll own!
Which makes you what? Do you kiss your family with that mouth? Nice to see you haven't changed your hypocritical stripes.AZhitman wrote:Blastphemy wrote:You're still a world-class felchbiscuit.
Let me know when you graduate from high school and then we can have a conversation. Had I known I was wasting my time on someone who hadn't even gone to college yet (if you even got in), let alone escaped his teen "know-it-all" years, I never would have bothered. Nice to see you haven't grown up, yet, even after having your a** smacked down.InfinitiEric wrote:This is ridiculous! Why are you still at it, Blastboy? Time to move along.