Tint and Lights Change a Cars Look

[Razi]

Would look cleaner if it had no spoiler and better taillights.

[rsmithdrift]

/too drunk to post logic

Smith, I don't wanna diss you man, you did some great work with that 180sx brake swap thing a while back and I respect you for it. But please stop embarrassing yourself man. You're better than this!

I'm not embarassing myself. I know what I'm talking about. I have done wind tunnel testing on nascars (1:24 scale) we did it as a class project in mechanical engeneering at Tenn. Tech. Univiersity. We Also built hazmat robots. We also (in another class I took back in high school) did computer generated car design with wind tunnel that showed 2d aero charts showing the wind and how it's affected etc. to find the most aerodynamic design. That is a main reason why I love the shape of 240sx fastbacks. There design is damn near perfect aerodynamically with the headlights down. but anyways, we had an ACTUAL wind tunnel that was able to collect downforce and drag data and we studied the effects of drafting on both downforce and drag on scale nascars. The LEAD car looses significant amounts of both when being tailed closely because the wind no longer hits the rear spoiler on the deck lid as the preassure is equalized by the car behind it and the air "jumps" from the roof of the lead car to the roof of the following car. In Nascar this creates the "aero loose" phenomena in the turns. And eveyone knows how drafting affects speed of the following car and if close enough, the lead car also. Also I have Nascar simulators and trust me that spoiler makes a HUGE difference on tracks with corner speeds above 100 mph. It's the same type of spoiler as a wangan but it's less effective because the rear windshield of a nascar is steeper and the technology for the spoiler is 100% limited to ancient technology that hasn't changed in 20+ years... Stupid nascar rules limiting technology in the sport... anyways, I know aerodynamics. I know them really really well. I know how air flows around things and what affects downforce and drag and what affects one more than the other. When I look at a car, I can LITERALLY see the air flowing around it in my mind. I can visuallize the high preassure area's the low's the way air is disturbed by certain things and I have actual understanding of what affects this all has. I do this all the damn time especially when i'm bored. Ever since I was 7 years old I used to draw 2d drawings of cars and then draw lines representing the air and how it's affected by the car that I drew. By middle school I was learning to draw accurate 3d drawings of cars and I still did the aero drawings alot. (I have been obsessed with cars my whole life) Everyone used to say I was a very talented artist and that I ruined most of my drawings by putting the air flow lines on them. Anyways, the hatch on a 240 sucks the air down to the deck lid. Even without a spoiler this creates downforce. That is why early notchback nascars were undriveable at high speeds. No rear downforce, thus, THE FASTBACK reigned supreme. With a current nascar type spoiler (Just a flat piece of metal shaped like / sitting on the back of the trunk) it would create a LOT of downforce but also a LOT of drag because it's an abrupt change in direction for the air. (drag is what nascar wanted to slow them down and why they use such out dated technology) With the stock SE spoiler it increases downforce a little, but increases drag alot more. Due to the dumb shape it has. With a wangan spoiler you create WAY more downforce than a nascar type spoiler because not only does it condition and shape the air smoothly, but it can capture air coming from the side of the car by it being pulled in by the side glass and using it as well. The side rails on the spoiler are wider than the hatch for this reason. This is a LOT of downforce with relatively low drag. And that is why it is favored by Wangan races and was given the name WANGAN spoiler.

So not only is it VERY affective. But it looks great (especially now that it's painted lol) and complements the cars aerodynamic lines perfectly. Everything is angular on these cars. And I think they look naked without a spoiler. Clean yes.. but just... naked. Like it's missing something. A spoiler is what is missing and required. And If I got a raised spoiler like the one you linked to, THEN I would need a body kit to make it look right. This looks great with the stock aero. All that's needed now is a Xenon front lip to balance the look and fix the front end lift issue caused by the poor design of the stock front lip.

I will debate this no farther. If this isn't enough evidence to dispell the myth that apparenly exists about them being innefective.. then nothing will. Some people are just really stubborn I guess.

[ILoveMyRHS13]

You need some aero to pull that wing off

You need some aero to pull that wing off

You need some aero to pull that wing off

And about 3 feet lower.

[DamonDread]

You like what you like! "DO YOU" broski and eff the haters! You openly admitted that even if it didnt do s*** you like the lines, and you feel it makes your car look seksy. Nuff said in my book.

[visser003]

Here, lemme explain it this way. If I could make my car look like this I would in a heartbeat.
PICTURE OF A BEAT a** 240 in HDR

^ That's just plain teh secks to me. If I had that car I wouldn't ever change a thing about the way it looks. Except maybe the wheels... Those aren't my style but whatever.

And anyone who doesn't like it... that's fine. Good for you. I do not care. I know their are other people like me who like cars like mine and if i'm the only one then that's fine too. I know I'm different.

Ok, so I am not hating, just pointing out something: Photos in HDR will make any piece of s*** look good. I could rub feces all over a junkyard car, take a photo in HDR, and it will look like some hot s***. No car in the world will ever look that good in normal lighting/the REAL WORLD.

In real life, that car is an ugly a** beater that people laugh at as it drives by.
If that's what your going for...to each his own I guess.

[rsmithdrift]

Promised I'd update with pictures of cut off when I got the new housings. So I delivered. Also pictures of the spoiler painted to match the rest of the car. And a video of me killing my old tires by drifting around in a parking lot.

Fixed the glare issue by duct taping over the hole in the shield. Thinking these burn cooler and it wouldn't be a problem, guess I was wrong as you can see it melted through the duct tape by the time I made pics of the second housing set lol. BTW they are both USDM cut off housings but because of the glare shield on the HID's it keeps the light from shining low enough on the housing for it to even utilize the housing cut off... They must be angled slightly cause you can see the way they cut off. with the high beam hole in the shield blocked THIER IS NO GLARE WHATSOEVER. Need a solution for that better than chrome duct tape though...

First housing option... Low Beam


high Beam


Second housing option... notice the duct tape melted through on the passenger side lol. You can sort of start to see the USDM cut off line with the duct tape melted away haha.


High beam. Housings are identical, so no idea why the high beams look so different from left to right... wierd.


Second housings have a blue halo ring which really makes the blue sleepy eye mod pop.




Wangan wing all painted up.










I know... too much fender gap. I put new, smaller tires on today. I need to lower the car some more now.

On a side note.... This is why I had to put new tires on today HAHA. Nothing like drifting a abandoned parking lot to finish off a set of tires. Also was using the blue sleepy eye's to stay visible but avoid blinding the camera with HID's (camera was below the cut off line)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk4w8xx6CtE[/youtube]

[cjmirabal1]

[rsmithdrift]

nice. You get the ones I linked to?

[cjmirabal1]

nice. You get the ones I linked to?

yeah i did....they had white halos...i ordered em then got jealous that i didnt see ur blue halo picks b4!!! lmaooo so much sicker looking!! but still love the look on mine! thanks dude!!! i need hids asap thou...the h4 bulbs in there i can barely see anything at night

[ILoveMyRHS13]

SICK PEELY BURNS DUDE

[cjmirabal1]

couldnt find the blue halo ones

[rsmithdrift]

nice. You get the ones I linked to?

yeah i did....they had white halos...i ordered em then got jealous that i didnt see ur blue halo picks b4!!! lmaooo so much sicker looking!! but still love the look on mine! thanks dude!!! i need hids asap thou...the h4 bulbs in there i can barely see anything at night

Haha, yeah I have those too. The H4 bulbs are sadly brighter than the Silvania silverstar sealed beams I had in it before. Did many comairisons out of curiosity when I installed this setup. Silverstar sealed beam<Superwhite H4<6000k HID by a serious long shot.

But I had a hard time deciding which housings to go with. The white halo gives a nice dual color look but the blue/blue is really vivid. But the housings with the white halo had a better light distribution and cut off than the ones with the blue halo. But the difference is marginal so blue won. You can see the pics I posted of them. I have the high beam hole blocked off on my HID's cause I don't have the LeAPS bulbs and mine don't have a low beam only shield built into the bulb like they do. And I need it.

And yeah the blue halo ones arent on their anymore sadly. They're good housings too. USDM cut off and all.

Also the first housings had better cut off than the ones with the blue. The ones with the blue halo were theones that were supposed to come with my HID kit. It's bright as fv(k too. Looks really good.

You can get the HID kit for 50 bucks on ebay. Make sure you get the kit that has LeAPS bulbs though. They have the appropriate cut off shielding for the hi/lo HID. It doesn't have to say LeAPS bulbs in the ad as long as your getting what is pictured and the pictures have those bulbs in them your good to go.

[rsmithdrift]

I found the blue halo headlights I"m using on eBay again. Check it out. These are the ones I'm using now, they are great.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/7X6-H4-S ... 53e53170d8

[rsmithdrift]

I found the blue halo headlights I"m using on eBay again. Check it out. These are the ones I'm using now, they are great.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/7X6-H4-S ... 53e53170d8

I thought you were going to get the projectors?

Projectors?? haha no. never. That's a terrible idea. Ebay projectors are garbage on an extreme level. You cant go wrong with non projector housings as long as their USDM cut off, or no cut off your golden. Cause the actual cut off line comes from the glare shield on the HID bulb. The Ebay projectors arent actually projectors, they're the same as what I have only with a projector lense replacing the metal glare shield... it does nothing but reduce light transmittance lol. retarded. And theirs no real way to retrofit OEM projectors that are worth a damn and cost a fortune into the housings. And all they do is increase short range visibliity while sacraficing long range visibility. Projectors SPREAD the light. I want to focus it, not spread it. I want distance to my visibility, not just short range brightness and wide spread. So I don't want projectors.

Cut off pic of the housings I'm using. I posted this a while ago. I've gotten them better than this now I just don't have the camera ATM. And turns out the reason they were different left/right was because I had the shield hung on the edge and the bulb was sitting crooked in the housing because of it. Also I found out to use aluminum foil with silver duct tape on to cover the high beam hole in the shield to keep it from melting through. High beam doesn't even need the hole.. So that wierd spot above the cut off is gone. Also I found out how to modify the shield to allow light to hit the USDM part of the cut off and utilize it, so I have an up to the right part to the cut off now also. So basically it's totally differnt now lol. But this is still good.



I'll post a new pic when I can use the camera again of what it looks like now with the USDM angled part of it being utilized and aluminum blocking the hole in the shield.