This might sound stupid...but

[creophus]

Sometimes I don't like choices. I wish there were an easy no brainer answer to the question of Turbo the KA versus do the SR swap. I think I'm going to close my eyes and take the plunge by doing the KA-T. I only want my car to be competitive with Mustangs so 250whp should not be too hard to come by with a KA-T. I think it will be cheaper to get the KA to 250 than swap an entire engine&transmission. I'd like the SR, but since I'm not going for that much power and my KA is runny very strong, it just doesn't seem to make much sense for me.

There's also the added bonus of being able to get KAs cheap if/when I blow mine up. I hope this all works out. I'm a real cheapskate and I'd like to do this for around $2500. Please let me know your thoughts. I suspect I must get used parts from the junkyard to keep the price this low. Any help would be appreciated.

See my sig for info on the car.

[BrianSpecV]

Hey I'll tell you what, I just won a S14 swap off of ebay, it's the red top SR20DET, transmission ,ecu and intercooler for $1350. Im not going to buy it but if you'd be interested we can work something out if you'd like. The guy said it only has like 30-40k miles on it.

If interested email me @ [email protected]

[creophus]

Sounds too good to be true man. What's the item number?

[BrianSpecV]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...11629

[creophus]

Cut harness is bad. Also there is no mention of smic. Why do you wanna sell it?

[cow]

I agree about wanting an easy decision. I debated for a long time but I eventually came to the same side, KA-T. However I was discussing the options of 240 motors to a friend of mine last night and I started to have 2nd thoughts again. Dammit. :P I think that in the end though practicality wins out and the KA is the superior motor. The only thing that makes me nervous is it really hasn't been 'proven' yet as much as the SR has, but I think it definitely has the chance.

I'm rambling but the moral of the story is the KA is the way to go. So don't be scared.

[BrianSpecV]

I just decided to get a bike vs. build another car. Im getting a zx12 sometime this week I think or next week. That's the only reason Im not gonna get it.

[SilviaLuvr]

cow the only reasone as to why the KA have yet to be proven as being better then the SR is b/c not alot of ppl done it and actually bosted about it. See for your self, the turbo Ka forum vs. the SR form. there are a lot more ppl over there then here meaning alot more ppl got the SR then the KA. Yeah there are some ppl out there with the turbo set-up and is cranken well over 400 to the wheels the thing is, thats only a small handfull! the thing i like about the KA is the torque. Im dedating as of now which to get, an RB20 or the KA-T. I look at it like this, the RB20 will coast roughly around $3500-$4000 once everything is said and done (price of motor, shipping, and installations) adn thats for about 220hp. i turbo my KA24E (unfourtunently a single cam should of waited) and i'll be pushing around 270-280hp for about half the price!

[cow]

I realize why there are fewer, I was just saying it would be nice to have more cases to look at. However I agree torque is always a great thing to have, as is displacement. And like I said.. the KA definitely has potential.

The way I see it is if WD can just go buy a car with an SR20 in it STOCK and he still wants to do the KA, it's gotta be worth something.

[WDRacing]

Well Creophus, I think you made the right desicion in goin with the KADET. My goal when I get back to the states in Dec is to make all the non believers eat they're words. My kits should be extemely affordable and reliable. No one has put the time into tuning the KA on a wide range. I'm gonna experiment with everything from propane to cryogenics. Everything I get to work will be available to all the 240 owners worldwide. I'm going with the sell everything real cheap and put the other guys out of bussiness method.

If your looking to spend 2500 bucks and think you have to use second hand parts from the junkyard....think again. Thats right around what my stg 1 kit will cost and it will include everything from FMIC to fuel management. Not just a FMU either, I'll be using an additional injector system that will come pretuned for whatever amount of boost you decide to run. No need to replace and of your stock injectors or MAF as my kit will be all boost actuated.

Down with SR....

WD

[lessthanjakejohn]

raise it up!

i see a 800 hp KA comin, what do you guys think?

[SHiFT]

hey WD what turbo would you recommend for a custom setup? I know you might say T3/T4 hybrid but I might want a little faster spool up. I was thinking of getting a T25 cause they're cheap and plentiful. If I was to run a sidemount IC with T25 I figure I could make up for the efficiency lost by switching to T25 from T3/T4? My brother has a MR2-turbo and I really like how the CT26 toyota turbo performs. What do you think? Ace-in-Hole runs a volvo turbo and does 0-60 in 5.3 secs. Just wondering if the T25 would be too small. Also, This is on stock internals and I wouldn't be going over like 8psi ever. Thanks

[WDRacing]

The RB25 runs a T3, so a T3 is the smallest I'd ever go. I can get a T3/T4 for a great price. So can you............................................

Don't settle....hell I'll give ya a T3......

WD

[SHiFT]

The RB25 runs a T3, so a T3 is the smallest I'd ever go. I can get a T3/T4 for a great price. So can you............................................

Don't settle....hell I'll give ya a T3......

WD

If you're serious about that, I would be eternally grateful. If you're not, where would you recommend purchasing the t3/t4 hybrid?

[sleepyS13]

i'LL bet you can fit bigger valves in the kade , any one know?

[AceInhole]

Cut harness is bad. Also there is no mention of smic. Why do you wanna sell it?

because when it says REDTOP S14 motor, it's most likely a scam :rolleyes

[silviaNE]

KAT ALL THE WAY!!!

[cosmo]

Well Creophus, I think you made the right desicion in goin with the KADET. My goal when I get back to the states in Dec is to make all the non believers eat they're words. My kits should be extemely affordable and reliable. No one has put the time into tuning the KA on a wide range. I'm gonna experiment with everything from propane to cryogenics. Everything I get to work will be available to all the 240 owners worldwide. I'm going with the sell everything real cheap and put the other guys out of bussiness method.

If your looking to spend 2500 bucks and think you have to use second hand parts from the junkyard....think again. Thats right around what my stg 1 kit will cost and it will include everything from FMIC to fuel management. Not just a FMU either, I'll be using an additional injector system that will come pretuned for whatever amount of boost you decide to run. No need to replace and of your stock injectors or MAF as my kit will be all boost actuated.

Down with SR....

WD

I don't mean to be a thread stealer but dayum WD that sounds so f-ing sweet! Do you have any idea on when that would be available? If I could get that for less than 2500 like you said I would proudly wave the KA-T flag to anyone and help bring down any and all SR lovers

[MarkEmark]

Ditto, I'm interested in knowing when these kits will be available. When are you getting back the states, WD? Around, say, mid-to-end of June?!? Or more toward the end of the summer?

[MarkEmark]

Nevermind, I read your other post WD..not till december

[AceInhole]

heh... who said you needed $2500 to boost a lot?? at just over $1000 in terms of all engine modifications, my KA is at 9psi....

[MarkEmark]

I know AceInHole---We should meet up over the summer so i can check out your setup. I'm pretty dismayed at the lack of custom kits out there that people are selling...They're all too damn expensive. I should be able to do EVERYTHING (including IC, piping, downpipe, oil cooler, etc) for $2000, bottom line. Not a dime more. I guess I'll just have to end up fabricating mine part by part, although I was hoping I could exploit the toils of someone who already did a fully custom kit and was selling it...

Sorry for the thread hijacking

[WDRacing]

****fy, shoot me an email...

Yeah, sorry guys....I don't get home till Dec. The kit I design for my car is the one I'm using as a base model for all the S13's. Everything aside from the piping should swap over the the S14. It won't take me long to get a kit built up for that either.

Just a matter of time fella's...

WD

[AceInhole]

I know AceInHole---We should meet up over the summer so i can check out your setup. I'm pretty dismayed at the lack of custom kits out there that people are selling...They're all too damn expensive. I should be able to do EVERYTHING (including IC, piping, downpipe, oil cooler, etc) for $2000, bottom line. Not a dime more. I guess I'll just have to end up fabricating mine part by part, although I was hoping I could exploit the toils of someone who already did a fully custom kit and was selling it...

Sorry for the thread hijacking

Yeah. whenever you wanna take a look at it.

Personally, I think you get what you pay for, and for the price, the current kits out (Fmax and NSport) are definitely worth it.

My setup?? I definitely got what I paid for: 1 blown engine, and 2 years to peice it together and test out the theories behind it to make it work.

[creophus]

Well hurry up! Most of us are still waffeling back and forth. I met some guys this weekend and my mind is starting to change back to the SR! Act quickly...

On a serious note...what I need is to actually ride in a KAT and an SR that's making some decent power. Until then, I'll continue to waffle back and forth I think.

[silviaNE]

antbody in FL that can take this guy for a ride?

[98TURBOKA]

KA-T is the way to go.

[creophus]

antbody in FL that can take this guy for a ride?

That's funny! It's like a little kid reaching out for help and wanting to go for a ride. Thanks man, I appreciate it. I'm just getting into the scene I suppose.

I hung out with some "street racers" on Sat. I've never street raced and I'm not condoning it (so don't flame me). The guys I met were really cool and they told me where they were meeting up that night.

I went to different spots, but didn't find the guys that I talked to earlier that night. I think I can learn a lot from them. So far, they are into the SR rather than KA-T. Either way, it will be good to know them since they are really big on the scene. So far everyone I've talked to says something different and I've found inaccuracies is everything I've heard, but I suppose its a big learning process. I'd like to compare them both so that I can judge for myself which one I want. If KAT can be had for $2000 and under, its gonna be tough to beat that!

[cnichols]

i'LL bet you can fit bigger valves in the kade , any one know?

Yes, Ferrea I think makes oversized stainless and Malvern Racing will make titanium ones.

I say buy whatever is cheapest and have them coated by SwainTech or somewhere comparable.

http://www.nipponpower.com/eng....html

http://www.malvernracing.com/showcase.html

[cow]

Most of the people you meet, particularly "street racers," will be into the SR because it's JDM tyte and because they don't know anything about the KA. Mainly the first reason though I would think. Most of the people I've talked to don't even believe you can successfully turbocharge a KA. heh.

Everyone wants to have a Silvia..