thinking of KAT... what do you guys think of this thing????

Post by **yoyoS14** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

any opinions??? or better experiences with this manifold???

Manifold on Ebay

Website · Post by **daniel240** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

looks like a good manifold to me, and a good price too.

Post by **solarex** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

be careful of bling bling ebay manifolds, many tends to cracks. you should inquire with them about warranties against defect/cracking.

Post by **S14Swap240sx** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

solarex wrote:be careful of bling bling ebay manifolds, many tends to cracks. you should inquire with them about warranties against defect/cracking.

That is very very true, but these guys are gonna be selling these soon as said in the auction so im sure if there are ne problems they will help yea and make sure it works well for you, becasue they want good street credit.. and if that manifold turns out to be a pos, and we all find about it.. whos gonna really buy it??

also alota manifolds crack.. its not really to hard to fix em.. even some of the top of the line manifolds crack.. its usualy on the runner.. not where it was welded together.. unless they did a half *** job

Post by **stilesg57** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

Wow, I guess no one here's ever heard of Stone Racing. They make great WRX headers at a great price and are very well regarded in the Suby community. I had one on my WRX before I sold it, excellent part.

If you read the description, they basically say that this was a working prototype and that Stone Racing is going to be making headers for our KA's in the near future. This is EXCELLENT NEWS!!! Mark my words guys, in 6-10 months this will be the only turbo manifold ANYONE is buying, it will become the standard. I'm damn excited, now maybe I'll put off my own KA-T project for a few more months...

However, I wouldn't buy this one. I paid $435 shipped for my Stone Racing WRX header, and WRX headers are notoriously expensive because they're a lot harder to make than conventional inline motor ones. I'll bet this manifold is in the mid to high $300's when it's finally released, and I'd rather wait and get a production one than spend $335 shipped for a testing prototype.:ylsuper

Post by **I am Technoman** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

I like this header also! I think it will work perfect!

But your right more testing needs to be done.

Post by **yoyoS14** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

Just let me say that i do not know much about welding but if the manifold cracks could I use a simple non-gas wire feed welder that you can buy for about $200 to fix the mani??do you just fill up the cracks with the wire??

do you think I could use a non-gase regular wire feed welder to make my own manifold???

Post by **SloS13** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

its made by OBX

Post by **andrave** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

wow there are some guys with those SS autochrome manifolds on their SR20's and they have had some issues with cracking. It sure LOOKS nice, but I guess time will tell what kind of quality it is.

Man, is that thing for an on center turbine too? those are hard to find and aren't as efficient. AND clearance looks awfully tight on the MC and the shock tower.... doesn't it look like its been hammered where the wastegate sits?

Post by **rco8786** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

I thought about buying that actually...but i didnt realize it had an external w/g port...

Post by **Project DC2** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

rco8786 wrote:I thought about buying that actually...but i didnt realize it had an external w/g port...

they provide block off flanges with their manifolds ( i highly do not recommend them unless you brace the hell out of them even then they might crack still due to the cheap metal content). if they do not provide a WG block off flange, you can get it at ATPturbo.com

Post by **ka24detkyle** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

That is true. SS AutoChrome will soon be releasing the KA24DET manifolds. They will come with all gaskets and hardware. They will also be EQUAL length. I've got the 3rd proto type on my work bench now.

The old link at the top of this thread was also a prototype. I had a list of items which needed to be done, in order to have the manifold up to my specs. The manifold that was bought, will still need some working to get it to a useable state (IMO). I was also told by the manufacturer that they will come with a lifetime warranty against cracking. Once all the finalized items have been completed, this manifold will be VERY reasonably prices and will be well worth the money.

If anybody has any questions please ask me. :ylsuper

Kyle Bennetthttp://home.nc.rr.com/turbo240sx/

Website · Post by **daniel240** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

lifetime warranty, that sounds pretty damn good. and if its at a good price, then that sounds like a very good one to get.

Post by **ka24detkyle** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

The price should be right. There will be a group buy for them later. Prob in about a month or two.

Kyle

Post by **andrave** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

can you give a ballpark figure? I want to know if its worth putting aside some money for, if its gonna be above say, 400 or 450 or so, I won't bother... in reality, if its much more than the jgs tools manifold its going to be a hard sell for me.

Post by **ka24detkyle** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

As a ballpark, i think it's giong to sell for around $325-$350.

Also is the JGS one equal length like this one?

Kyle Bennett

Post by **Structure240sx** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

that manifold does look great. would still have to separate the runners and i wish i could see what the ports look like. that be even better if it was a direct replacement for the revhard. also notice in the pic the turo isnt bolted down so its sittin about hlaf an inch closer to the strut tower than it should be. kinda looks like the nsport turbo, downpipe and possibly the hotpipe too.

Post by **andrave** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

no the JGS tools isn't an equal length runner manifold, but it doesn't seem to matter much. Look at the dyno results on this very forum for users of that manifold. Besides, its flange design allows it great flexibility.

Post by **ka24detkyle** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

Actually the final product will have the flanges cut. And the placement is also suppose to be oriented so it will replace the revhard unit. I will confirm this when the next prototype arrives in a couple of weeks. I purposely speced it like that so the people with revhard manifolds could direct swap to this manifold.

The other items you saw were not Nsport. They were all made by me. "My" turbo is a T04E 'on center". I put the manifold on the old prototype to see if it was a direct replacement for my Rev Hard manifold. I used his T3/T4 turbo to check the clearance against the brake master cylinder. So what you see in the pic is a T3/T4 turbo on the manifold and my T4 downpipe which wasn't removed since i was just looking at clearances.

Kyle Bennett

Post by **andrave** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

so its modeled after the Revhard, which doesn't fit t04's except on center housings... which suck. And what, exactly, is the advantage over the revhard?

Post by **C-Kwik** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

ka24detkyle wrote:Actually the final product will have the flanges cut. And the placement is also suppose to be oriented so it will replace the revhard unit. I will confirm this when the next prototype arrives in a couple of weeks. I purposely speced it like that so the people with revhard manifolds could direct swap to this manifold.

The other items you saw were not Nsport. They were all made by me. "My" turbo is a T04E 'on center". I put the manifold on the old prototype to see if it was a direct replacement for my Rev Hard manifold. I used his T3/T4 turbo to check the clearance against the brake master cylinder. So what you see in the pic is a T3/T4 turbo on the manifold and my T4 downpipe which wasn't removed since i was just looking at clearances.

Kyle Bennett

The flange locations looked like it would be a rev-hard replacement. And my next comment was going to be how well it might clear a Nsport or XS downpipe.

The manifold looks nice though. In one of the pics the head flange has been cut. The only thing I worry about is the bracing they added. The brace is going to expand less than the primaries and could cause craking more than help it. It's too bad these weren't available 4 months ago when I replaced my rev-hard.

Post by **Structure240sx** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

except for that possible braceing problem it looks as if this will be a great manifold that i will probably jump on. i like shiny things

Post by **ka24detkyle** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

Well if you want to run a tangenial T4 then maybe you should look for another turbo. Unless you know of one...i haven't heard of any company making a manifold that will fit a T4 tangenial housing and not have clearance issues. If you know of one other than one-off custom made ones, then please post a pic. I'd really like to see that.

And the main advantage over the rev hard is that this is an equal length manifold.

Kyle Bennett

Post by **ka24detkyle** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

The brace was added for support. I've see too many manifolds crack after time, mostly due to the weight of the turbo and vibrations.

It was approached like this. The manifold has piping that connects to the head flange. Then the turbo sits away from the head putting stress on the runners. That stress is always there when the turbo is mounted on it. Then add to the mix some heat...and some nasty vibrations, (such as the cars that ride stiff, pot holes, etc.). That really makes a manifold crack. The brace was added to help remedy that problem. If you feel the thermal heat expansion is more of the reason for the cracking then just cut off the bracing with a die grinder. It's only about an inch long. Personally i'll be running it "WITH" the flange.

Thanks,Kyle Bennett

Post by **huguetpj** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

ka24detkyle wrote:Well if you want to run a tangenial T4 then maybe you should look for another turbo. Unless you know of one...i haven't heard of any company making a manifold that will fit a T4 tangenial housing and not have clearance issues. If you know of one other than one-off custom made ones, then please post a pic. I'd really like to see that.

I've always asked myself that. Why is it that companies aren't making any manis for tangential turbos? I had one custom made with room to spare.

It ain't shiny, but it workshttp://katcostarica.240sxonlin...1.htm

Post by **andrave** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

um, 250 dollar JGS tools.

Post by **ka24detkyle** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

With the $250 dollar JGS turbo kit you still need to weld it together. Maybe you have the skills to do that, but others don't.

If so, i think you should go with the JGS and do it yourself.

All were trying to do here is offer people a good manifold that replaces the RevHard unit. And do it for a good price with a lifetime warranty agains cracking.

Have fun with your project.

Kyle Bennett

Post by **Structure240sx** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

with a lifetime warranty i will def jump on that when it comes out

Post by **andrave** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

I understand, its just that I got all excited too when I saw it, but then I'm disappointed that you are on the boards advertising it, and that it doesn't meet my expectations.

Post by **ka24detkyle** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:43 am

That's cool...But seriously, my intention is not to advertise this on the forum. It's just to answer questions that people have about it and to correct any false information.

I've just seen too many items on the market that have been bad mouthed because somebody didn't know more about it...so it then turns into a bunch of guesses.

Good luck on your expectations.

Kyle Bennett

thinking of KAT... what do you guys think of this thing????

thinking of KAT... what do you guys think of this thing????

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