thinking about ps3....

[ceniack]

Ehh. I didn't expect anything less than you being a douchebag. But no, I'd been neglecting it as of late, leaving game discs in when taking it places, leaving it in cold cars etc. etc.

i'm glad i didn't disappoint

[redtop91]

[Axel Grungy]

well i bought a ps3 yesterday anyway, so now i have best of both worlds.

so far its pretty impressive, i downloaded uncharted demo and its sickkkk!! definately the first game i will buy.

[f1seb]

It's is pretty impressive. It's a very nice gadget all around. And it will only get better with time. If you care about that type of thing try out installing linux for it. I like to tinker with stuff like that.

[bmike818]

if you want a PS3 go get one....after 1 year of being released they still don't have that Killer App. I dont like sony right now...they forgot all the people that bought the PS3 when it came out. If I bought a PS3 for $599 to only see it drop in price less than a year, I would really be pissed-good thing I havent joined the PS3 band wagon, seriously at this rate we are looking at a $299 PS3 by next year...so I will wait for one more price drop

cmon Sony show me a $299 sony PS3, because I am still too cheap to pay for a $399 game system with no games hope they come out with a GT5 bundle

[ceniack]

if you want a PS3 go get one....after 1 year of being released they still don't have that Killer App. I dont like sony right now...they forgot all the people that bought the PS3 when it came out. If I bought a PS3 for $599 to only see it drop in price less than a year, I would really be pissed-good thing I havent joined the PS3 band wagon, seriously at this rate we are looking at a $299 PS3 by next year...so I will wait for one more price drop

cmon Sony show me a $299 sony PS3, because I am still too cheap to pay for a $399 game system with no games hope they come out with a GT5 bundle

the PS3 has just as many good games as the xbox360 imho (although that is subjective)

also, i bought a ps3 within a month of release, and to be honest, i am glad they dropped the price, it just means a greater install base which means more developer support. being one of the first and paying more is the price you pay for being an early adopter.

their online is really starting to ramp up, and you still get a lot more for your money with the ps3. besides, the xbox didn't get their first killer app until it had been out for a year, and alot of people are calling uncharted the ps3's killer app. we also have killzone 2, haze, GT5, FFXIII, and MGS4 to look forward to in '08. xbox seems to have already blown its load with halo 3, gears of war, and mass effect. and 10-1 i can play those on my PC within a year of their release.

i ialso like that the PS3 is a pretty open platform, i can use almost any bluetooth device, any SATA laptop hard drive, and can install linux on it.

[MinisterofDOOM]

If I bought a PS3 for $599 to only see it drop in price less than a year, I would really be pissed

You act like the PS3 is the only console ever to have it's price drop.What is happening with the PS3 is completely normal. The 360 has seen price drops since release as well.

I completely agree that Sony as a company has repeatedly demonstrated that they neither trust nor respect their customers, but price drops aren't related to that. That's normal business in the console world. It happens to EVERYTHING. Nintendo is famous for releasing slightly improved versions of their handhelds at lower prices. Sony and MS have both been juggling new variants and pricing schemes for their consoles this round.

Also, I don't see how anyone can complain about LOWER prices. It also seems kind of ironic to hear your statement considering the fact that the PS3's high price is the favorite "con" for PS3 haters to quote.

[s13jus10]

wow. so much ignorance, so little time.

..PS3 bandwagon?? Sony has been producing gaming systems years and YEARS before the first xbox came along, and you're calling the PS3 a bandwagon?

[redtop91]

If anything that would make it bandwagon because everyone is familiar with it and no one wants something different, although that isn't the word I'd choose. I'd use stale and uninteresting. PS3's "blockbuster's" are the 4th and 5th iterations of franchises which were boring when they first launched IMO.

[s13jus10]

what the HELL are you talking about? that seriously didn't make ANY sense AT ALL.

Sony has been around for years and years, producing gaming systems we all know and love. Microsoft comes down the road, a new gaming system comes out, and everyone jumps on the Microsoft bus. THAT, my friend, is a bandwagon.

Give me one example of a PS3 game that is the 4th or 5th iteration of ANYTHING.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Give me one example of a PS3 game that is the 4th or 5th iteration of ANYTHING.

Off the top of my head...

Devil May Cry 4Final Fantasy XIIIRatchet and Clank FutureArmored Core 4Alone in the Dark (which I believe is 5 unless I'm mistaken)Metal Gear Solid 4Resident Evil 5

Most of the PS3 titles are indeed sequels, even if they're not 4th or 5th sequels.

[redtop91]

Off the top of my head...

Devil May Cry 4Final Fantasy XIIIRatchet and Clank FutureArmored Core 4Alone in the Dark (which I believe is 5 unless I'm mistaken)Metal Gear Solid 4Resident Evil 5

the exact list I was typing. Add Gran Turismo 5 to that list too.

what the HELL are you talking about? that seriously didn't make ANY sense AT ALL.

Clearly someone understood it. You are taking fs1eb's approach like I mentioned in the other thread. Just because you pretend not to understand what I'm talking about doesn't mean they aren't valid points.

[ceniack]

a lot of xbox games are sequels also.

halo 3bioshock (more of a spiritual sequel to system shock 2)forzadevil may cry 4resident evil 5ace combat 6elder scrolls 4rainbow 6 vegas

but you want to know something, those are all good games, or expected to be good games (some of them are mulit-platform)

just because something is a sequel doesn't mean it isn't good or innovative in some way.

both systems have their strengths and weaknesses. and we could argue in circles for months if not years about which system is better, but i think it is pretty much a wash between the two.

[MinisterofDOOM]

bioshock (more of a spiritual sequel to system shock 2)

but you want to know something, those are all good games, or expected to be good games (some of them are mulit-platform)

just because something is a sequel doesn't mean it isn't good or innovative in some way.

Bioshock is NOT a sequel to SS2. Has nothing to do with it. It's not even a "spiritual successor," regardless of how much the developers want you to believe otherwise. The two play nothing alike.Sorry. It's an insult to SS2 to say Bioshock is a sequel, spritual or otherwise. System Shock 2 was amazing. Bioshock was most definitely not.

But yes, sequels aren't inherently bad. And some of those PS3 games I mentioned are from series I enjoy. If Alone in the Dark turns out to be decent, I may have some incentive to get a PS3. The last game in the series was crap, but the first two rocked.

[C-Kwik]

Sony has been around for years and years, producing gaming systems we all know and love. Microsoft comes down the road, a new gaming system comes out, and everyone jumps on the Microsoft bus. THAT, my friend, is a bandwagon.

By that definition, wouldn't PS1 and PS2 owners have jumped on the bandwagon when they came out?

The original XBOX didn't have the bandwagon effect either. Last I checked, it lost by a huge margin. Just because MS has done quite a few things right this time around, doesn't make it a bandwagon. It just makes it a competetive product. The PS3 is shaping up to be competetive now as well, especially with the 40 GB model being out.

[s13jus10]

By that definition, wouldn't PS1 and PS2 owners have jumped on the bandwagon when they came out?

true.. I guess I can also see a point that 360 was out before the PS3, so in that case yeah, the PS3 is technically the bandwagon. but when it comes to gaming systems between Sony & Microsoft, the xboxes fall under the bandwagon category. but yeah I see what you mean

[C-Kwik]

I think you missed my point completely. That is, there is no bandwagon. Trying to indicate that there is one way or the other implicates a weak argument.

[s13jus10]

well I wasn't trying to argue with you, but whatever, that's fine.

anyway, IMO both PS3s and 360s are bandwagons. I just believe that the 360 is more of a bandwagon in the sense that lots of people buy it because they have the "everyone else has it" enthusiasm. working where I do, many customers come in with the "I want an xbox360 because all of my friends play Halo 3!!" kind of attitude.

[bmike818]

yes It's funny I am mad about the price drops. Sony just did it too soon in my humble opinion.

you know what I got to say to everyone out there...PS3 or 360

I don't care what system you're on...just have fun!

by the way 360>PS3 and DS>PSP

[redtop91]

I think you missed my point completely.

He did.

DS>PSP

I liked my PSP for the time I had it. I usually used it to play GBA, NES, and SNES games. I haven't had time to play my DS since I bought it so I can't really say either way on that one.

[C-Kwik]

anyway, IMO both PS3s and 360s are bandwagons. I just believe that the 360 is more of a bandwagon in the sense that lots of people buy it because they have the "everyone else has it" enthusiasm. working where I do, many customers come in with the "I want an xbox360 because all of my friends play Halo 3!!" kind of attitude.

hmm? So because MS has a successful game, it's more of a bandwagon? If PS3 were to get MGS4 or Final Fantasy tomorrow, a month later, kids will be telling you the same thing about the PS3 and it's respective games. Face it, this is true of any good game. You don't see this happen with games that aren't very good.

[s13jus10]

no, my point was that lots and lots and LOTS of people purchase the xbox360 NOT for it's many online assets, features, what have you.. lots of people buy it because their friend/cousin has halo and they also want to play it. when I'm at work, I'll be trying to sell a customer an xbox360 pro because it has the most economical value, hard drive/headset/component cables/yada yada. but then they say, "no, i'll just buy the arcade edition, I just want to play halo 3 with my friend." trust me, it's not just one or two people. there are a lot of em. believe it or not, but halo has most definitely become a more well known, common household name among kids. even more so than both metal gear or final fantasy.

and on the other hand, most people come in and have virtually no knowledge of the PS3. they ask "why is it so expensive??" and then I explain all of it's features and just why it's so "expensive". then they'll consider buying it. they don't just come in and buy it because so-and-so has it also, they buy it because of what it offers as a system.

[redtop91]

lots of people buy it because their friend/cousin has halo and they also want to play it.

Are you seriously trying to say that wanting the Xbox 360's flagship title is bandwagon?

I'll be trying to sell a customer an xbox360 pro because it has the most economical value, hard drive/headset/component cables/yada yada. but then they say, "no, i'll just buy the arcade edition, I just want to play halo 3 with my friend."

While that is probably true, one of the key reasons why Sony started off in a losing position in most markets is that although the $599 console might have been the most economic console, some people just don't need certain features. It's smart business. I'd never be caught dead buying a core, but for a casual gamer who doesn't care about Xbox Live or Downloadable content, there is no reason to buy a Pro.

believe it or not, but halo has most definitely become a more well known, common household name among kids. even more so than both metal gear or final fantasy.

It's better than both IMO and in most people's opinions. That's logical.

and on the other hand, most people come in and have virtually no knowledge of the PS3. they ask "why is it so expensive??" and then I explain all of it's features and just why it's so "expensive". then they'll consider buying it. they don't just come in and buy it because so-and-so has it also, they buy it because of what it offers as a system.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. People buy what's cheap. You might be making the best explanation of the PS3's value but in the end mommy and daddy don't give a flip if you can bluetooth files from your phone to the PS3. They see $$$ nothing more.

[xekushnr]

no, my point was that lots and lots and LOTS of people purchase the xbox360 NOT for it's many online assets, features, what have you.. lots of people buy it because their friend/cousin has halo and they also want to play it. when I'm at work, I'll be trying to sell a customer an xbox360 pro because it has the most economical value, hard drive/headset/component cables/yada yada. but then they say, "no, i'll just buy the arcade edition, I just want to play halo 3 with my friend." trust me, it's not just one or two people. there are a lot of em. believe it or not, but halo has most definitely become a more well known, common household name among kids. even more so than both metal gear or final fantasy.

and on the other hand, most people come in and have virtually no knowledge of the PS3. they ask "why is it so expensive??" and then I explain all of it's features and just why it's so "expensive". then they'll consider buying it. they don't just come in and buy it because so-and-so has it also, they buy it because of what it offers as a system.

When I worked at a GameStop, I didnt seem to see these people. This may be completely ignorant, but look at your location. You live in SoCal, birthplace to punk/emo music, Hollister, and plastic surgery. Frankly I would be more surprised to find consumers that are actually making decisions for themselves.

Obviously this does not apply to all, and probably most people in the area. This is my disclaimer.

However, I think most people are influenced by what other people have. I know part of the reason (albeit not the main reason) I got a 360 is so that I could play with some of my friends. Why get a system that nobody I know has? I would have more fun and I would much rather play with friends instead of strangers. Once I browsed the titles for both (and upcoming titles) I decided on the 360.

If you're working on commission, then thats another story. I would be pretty pissed about tons of people cheaping out on core systems too

[s13jus10]

oh gosh, here we go again.

YES, it's bandwagon. some people even come in and say "which game is Halo 3, I want that one."

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. People buy what's cheap. You might be making the best explanation of the PS3's value but in the end mommy and daddy don't give a flip if you can bluetooth files from your phone to the PS3. They see $$$ nothing more.

true, but when mommy finds out that the $350 system she's buying their kid has a 30% chance of failing, she doesn't say "Oh, but it has Halo 3, I'll take that risk." and plus, daddy likey a Blu-Ray player.

and to xekushnr:

no offense, but the majority of consumers will go to Best Buy to buy their consoles & electronics, not GameStop. thus, working there, I'll see a much broader range of different consumers.

Bandwagon: buying something simply because "everyone else has it". in your case, I wouldn't call you a bandwagoner because you actually pulled up the facts and did your homework. but trust me, most people don't.

[xekushnr]

and to xekushnr:

no offense, but the majority of consumers will go to Best Buy to buy their consoles & electronics, not GameStop. thus, working there, I'll see a much broader range of different consumers.

Well, I've worked at both Best Buy (in Media) and GameStop, and although you do see a broader range of consumers, anyone who is shopping JUST for videogames I would think go to a GameStop. I dont think that the consumers in question fall to either side. I have had people come in and mention similar things to me, but I'm selling a console so I dont really care.

Regardless, I'm very happy to be out of that business. I love having a job where I dont really have to deal with the customer at all because most, who are undoubtedly intelligent in some form, act borderline retarded when shopping for things. Ever heard that old adage that "the customer is always right"? Sometimes I wish it were true when I was working, and that one of them would tell me to kill myself so I could finally escape the idiocy that I encountered.

I guess what I'm saying is that the majority of people in this world are stupid. Dont let them get you down.

[s13jus10]

haha I know what you mean with the customers being a little offensive when it comes to their knowledge (or lack thereof) of video games/systems. but I find that as a sales person, if you actually read up all of the facts, and learn as much as you can, there's no way a customer can prove you wrong or try to push you into a corner. I'm over in Riverside, CA where we have an actual "Gaming" department, and not just a few rows of games mixed in with Media like all other Best Buys. Like I said before, I'm all about gaming. I sell systems/games for a living. So I actually do take pride in where I work, as it kind of forces me to learn all of the facts about all gaming systems. You can try to prove me wrong with anything else, but when it comes to gaming, I'm pretty confident with my knowledge of the field.

[redtop91]

Do you work on Hospitality Lane?

[s13jus10]

cute. no comeback?

[redtop91]

No. I can bash the hell out of the Best Buy there just like every other business on Hospitality if you want though. Especially that Chili's.