thinking about ps3....

[R240sx]

I REALLY don't ever want to see this thread again. You would argue that water doesn't contain hydrogen if I said it does. You're just like this guy:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hIj...earch=

Take your PS3 and your ego and **** off.

you really should take a step back to review your position here, no one at this point has taken any hostility and yet you seem to lack...dare i say... the maturity to handle a difference of opinion. its only video games, in the end of the day, the O.P. already has a 360, s13jus10 only posted his opinion to say why he thinks the ps3 is better than a 360. see there are some people that want more than just a video game system but a home entertainment system, if you cant see that then most likely the ps3 isnt targetting you.

[redtop91]

I'd say that as a home entertainment system 360 is superior after all I can watch live TV on my 360. Pretty Certain PS3 can't do that. I can rent movies from my 360, which you can't do on PS3, I can go on and on but this discussion is really deteriorating. Loki is usually more levelheaded so I'm pretty certain he didn't have such a hot day or he's not feeling well.

[Loki]

I'd say that as a home entertainment system 360 is superior after all I can watch live TV on my 360. Pretty Certain PS3 can't do that. I can rent movies from my 360, which you can't do on PS3, I can go on and on but this discussion is really deteriorating. Loki is usually more levelheaded so I'm pretty certain he didn't have such a hot day or he's not feeling well.

Meh. I posted right after I had gotten home from a long dark drive in the cold with a FWD. Sorry.

[redtop91]

LOL. I know how that'd make you salty. I do it everyday now

[C-Kwik]

to the op, i'll tell you this. I own all three next-gen systems. let me say that again: I own all THREE systems. I've worked at best buy in the gaming department for two years now. working there, i've personally seen how many customers come in and have to exchange their 360s for new ones because of the RROD, and I can tell you it's not a pretty number.

No one doubts that the 360 has had an unusual amount of failure rates. But have you actually seen how many people haven't? Until then, you can't make any real assessment of how bad it is.

microsoft stuck that 3year warranty on it because they KNOW it has problems. for gawd's sake the system hasn't even been out for 3 years. customers come in and tell me all the time that they've waited up to 3 months before getting their "refurbished" 360 back from microsoft. they keep releasing new "versions" of the system (hdmi pro, halo version, elite) but for some reason choose not to fix any of the real problems that it has.

Umm? They have been updating it. Trying to redesign such a complicated console is not cheap or easy. Especially considering that the evolution the design will be taking (such as 65nm technology) may alleviate such issues. MS is trying to be proactively generous with the warranty. While Sony is denying PS3 warraties over simply being dusty. Something can be said about how a company reacts to a problem as much as how much problems their products have...

anyone saying that the ps3 is just not worth the price needs to look back and total up how much they spent in order to fully utilize the 360's features. xbox360 pro - $350 (halo $400, elite $450). wireless adapter - $100 (and no, not even the elite comes with it). xboxlive - $50 a year. rechargeable batteries - $20 for play&charge kit, $40 for quick charge kit. external hd-dvd drive - $180. anyone have a calculator? and after all that, you still run the risk of your 360 breaking down on you lol. uhm.. ps3 has all that BUILT IT. it may seem like the price of the ps3 is pretty steep up front, but in the long run, you won't have to buy any add-ons to make your gaming experience fully enjoyable.

Uhh? I'm fully utilizing all three of my 360's. None need the wireless because I wired up every one of them. I hate wireless network dropouts. It's bad enough that the cable company screws it up enough.

XBOX live is not about paying for the console. It's about paying for a service. One that Sony has not matched yet. Perhaps Home will be nice and all, but until they set standards for the devs to follow, then it can never be as well integrated. Unless of course they keep all that memory overhead and let the console handle all these features.

as for the "AMAZING FANTASTIC XBOX360 GAMING LINEUP"..what exactly does that consist of? 1.halo....2.gears....3.forza.................?? am I missing anything? the thing has been out for 2 1/2 years and that's all it has produced? don't get me wrong, I can't go without my gears of war (phenomenal game). but everything else, I can pretty much take a pass on.

So what does he PS3 have that is oh so amazing? All I keep hearing about is delay after delay.

it may seem like I'm here to just bash on the 360, and I'm not. but when it comes to people predjudicely bringing down other systems without even having their own experience with it, it makes me mad. AGAIN, I own all three systems. knowing and learning as much as I can about video games and systems has been my JOB for 2 years. I sell video game systems for a living. and with that I don't feel "guilty" or "fanboy-ish" when I talk crap on the 360. no it doesn't suck. it's just simply NOT THAT GREAT. as a matter of fact I love the system because it gives us big time revenue because people HAVE to buy the extended warrantees for it

Owning all three systems doesn't mean you can't have a favorite. And why do I have to buy an extended warranty? All of mine have three years worth...

[R240sx]

While Sony is denying PS3 warraties over simply being dusty. Something can be said about how a company reacts to a problem as much as how much problems their products have...

have you seen the pictures? the warrenty was denied for negligence, if you were to send a 360 like how that one was to microsoft you'd be denied a warrenty claim as well.

[redtop91]

Untrue. The warranty on the 360 is unconditional. They don't even look at it beyond if the case has been tampered with or obviously damaged.

[C-Kwik]

have you seen the pictures? the warrenty was denied for negligence, if you were to send a 360 like how that one was to microsoft you'd be denied a warrenty claim as well.

I don't want to get into the long debate I'm in on a gaming forum about that. But, if you read the warranty language, it states:

"THIS WARRANTY SHALL NOT APPLY IF THIS PRODUCT...

...(D) IS DAMAGED BY ACTS OF GOD, MISUSE, ABUSE, NEGLIGENCE, ACCIDENT, WEAR AND TEAR, UNREASONABLE USE, OR BY OTHER CAUSES UNRELATED TO DEFECTIVE MATERIALS OR WORKMANSHIP; "

The part in bold is of particular importance. It requires that the damage is actually caused by the excluded reasons. And if MS did the same, I'd make the same argument.

[redtop91]

Bah. Rejoice PS3 fanboi's. I got home and hooked up my brand new 1080P 47" HDTV and was getting ready to throw in either my new Mass Effect or Guitar Hero III and alas! RROD.

[xekushnr]

Ok, let it be known I own a 360 and not a PS3 but I am not on either side. I own a PSX and PS2, and the PS2 is my favorite system of all time.

My 360 had to be sent out once. It did not have the 3 RRoD, it did not have any red rings at all actually. Microsoft replaced the console. This was after the MS 3 year announcement too. To say that MS is very picky to service consoles is wrong, as evidenced by me. The console did not report any problems, but the picture was bad. Within a month I had a new console.

My new box (I know it is new by the S/N) has not given me any problems, and I have been happily gaming ever since.

If the price drops (again) and the library beefs up, I would not hesitate to buy a PS3. Until then, I will keep buying great original titles for the 360.

I'm sorry if some of this post doesnt make sense, im ****ed up off free alcohol at the detroit pistons game yay!

[R240sx]

I don't want to get into the long debate I'm in on a gaming forum about that. But, if you read the warranty language, it states:

"THIS WARRANTY SHALL NOT APPLY IF THIS PRODUCT...

...(D) IS DAMAGED BY ACTS OF GOD, MISUSE, ABUSE, NEGLIGENCE, ACCIDENT, WEAR AND TEAR, UNREASONABLE USE, OR BY OTHER CAUSES UNRELATED TO DEFECTIVE MATERIALS OR WORKMANSHIP; "

The part in bold is of particular importance. It requires that the damage is actually caused by the excluded reasons. And if MS did the same, I'd make the same argument.

From xbox official website...

is damaged by Acts of God, power surge, misuse, abuse, negligence, accident, wear and tear, mishandling, misapplication, or other causes unrelated to defective materials or workmanship;

yup sounds pretty similiar.

If you read what was going on you'd know that guy sent it in for repairs to sony and got a call back saying that the dust has damaged the inside of the console and voids the warranty, specifically for negligence. anyone that is stupid enough to allow that much dust to accumulate into console can only expect to have there warranty voided. i mean i still have my original NES and it has no where near that much dust on it.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/supp...y.htm

[R240sx]

Bah. Rejoice PS3 fanboi's. I got home and hooked up my brand new 1080P 47" HDTV and was getting ready to throw in either my new Mass Effect or Guitar Hero III and alas! RROD.

actually that really really sucks, which one do you have elite or halo edition or regular pro?

[xekushnr]

Yeah, both warranties are pretty much the same, the hardware is a little different but the capabilities are nearly the same...why cant we all get along? The 360 has problems, so does the PS3. Thats what you get for owning a next gen system.

[positron1]

Since they dropped the price I'm gonna get one for myself either for X-mas or with the tax return.

[C-Kwik]

From xbox official website...

yup sounds pretty similiar.

If you read what was going on you'd know that guy sent it in for repairs to sony and got a call back saying that the dust has damaged the inside of the console and voids the warranty, specifically for negligence. anyone that is stupid enough to allow that much dust to accumulate into console can only expect to have there warranty voided. i mean i still have my original NES and it has no where near that much dust on it.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/supp...y.htm

I have been keeping up with this. I've seen no indication that they actually diagnosed the problem. They seem to be taking a stance that their techs won't even touch it based on the dust levels, citing a health safety concern for their techs. Which implicates to me that they have not determined the cause of the failure or what the failure is.

This of course is based on what the owner of the PS3 has stated:

http://consumerist.com/consume...6.php

I'm only using his version as it is the only one out there. I'm not trying to speculate about the possibilities of other situations. Sony has not made any response that I know of other than to release the photos publically. So my opinions are under the assumptions that what the owner says is correct and the photos that are reported to have been released from Sony.

But in any case, the warranty for both the PS3 and the 360 both say that the failures must be caused by misuse, negligence, etc. As faras I can tell from the link above, Sony never diagnosed it. So unless you have seen something I haven't, Sony hasn't associated the failure to the dust other than by assumption...

[R240sx]

But in any case, the warranty for both the PS3 and the 360 both say that the failures must be caused by misuse, negligence, etc. As faras I can tell from the link above, Sony never diagnosed it. So unless you have seen something I haven't, Sony hasn't associated the failure to the dust other than by assumption...

But sony has Opened the console and determined the dust caused the damage, with that much dust it negates any heat transfer causing all the warm air to stay in the console.

from the article you posted.Quote »6 hours later I get a call from Neil saying that unfortunately they have opened the case and taken pictures of the inside and outside of the case and that it was too dirty to be eligible for replacement.[/quote]which means that they did open it, and determined that the warranty was void due to negligence. People act like sony refused to even touch it, they did open it and they do have pictures of the inside, why they havnt released those pictures is beyond anyones guess, im assuming for legal reasons as they hesitated to release the pictures of the outside too. either way im sure sony will update with why they couldnt replace the unit as its already gained alot of negative pr.

[s13jus10]

Bah. Rejoice PS3 fanboi's. I got home and hooked up my brand new 1080P 47" HDTV and was getting ready to throw in either my new Mass Effect or Guitar Hero III and alas! RROD.

at least you're honest about it. hehe same thing happened to an Elite demo system we have at the store. it was off all day yesterday (black friday) and I went to turn it on to demonstrate it to a customer.. RROD! I was going to take a picture of it, but I thought, meh everyone's already seen it before lol.

anyway redtop, no hard feelings. that sucks that your system went out, personally I would be pissed. congrats on landing that 1080p hdtv.. size/specs? big sale yesterday?

[s13jus10]

So what does he PS3 have that is oh so amazing? All I keep hearing about is delay after delay.

resistance..ng sigma..R&C.. uncharted..warhawk.. EoJ..just to name a couple. and 2008 will be a HUGE year for exclusives

Owning all three systems doesn't mean you can't have a favorite. And why do I have to buy an extended warranty? All of mine have three years worth...

best buy's extended warranty is a replacement plan good for 2 years. meaning if your system goes out within 2 years, you just bring it back with the receipt and we'll replace it on the spot with a brand new one. no having to wait months on top of months for a refurbished system.

you have 3 xbox360s???? lol dude 30% failure rate means at LEAST one of yours is gonna fry

[legendman]

Goldeneye > *

[C-Kwik]

But sony has Opened the console and determined the dust caused the damage, with that much dust it negates any heat transfer causing all the warm air to stay in the console.

from the article you posted.

which means that they did open it, and determined that the warranty was void due to negligence. People act like sony refused to even touch it, they did open it and they do have pictures of the inside, why they havnt released those pictures is beyond anyones guess, im assuming for legal reasons as they hesitated to release the pictures of the outside too. either way im sure sony will update with why they couldnt replace the unit as its already gained alot of negative pr.

There is nowhere in the article or in any article that I have found that indicates that they have confirmed the dust was the cause of the failure with any degree of scientific certainty. As far as I can tell, they saw the dust (perhaps inside) and stopped there. So far, it seems that they are denying a warranty based on an assumption. How would you feel if a manufacturer denied a warranty on your year old car based on an assumption?

[C-Kwik]

resistance..ng sigma..R&C.. uncharted..warhawk.. EoJ..just to name a couple. and 2008 will be a HUGE year for exclusives

So where are the must haves? Frankly, I can live without those. And it sounds like you can live without most of the 360 games. So, lets see here. People have different tastes. It would seem you're opinion of games does not necessarily reflect everyone else's. It's just a poor argument to try and generally bash a console's games to better support your argument. Especially considering the 360 is selling more of them...

best buy's extended warranty is a replacement plan good for 2 years. meaning if your system goes out within 2 years, you just bring it back with the receipt and we'll replace it on the spot with a brand new one. no having to wait months on top of months for a refurbished system.

Wow. That sounds like the same lame sales pitch Best Buy employees keep giving me. Oh wait.

But seriously, there is no requirement that I purchase the warranty. Statistically, the store warranties are a waste of money. Perhaps less so on the 360 due to the higher than typical failure rates, but with the 360's biggest issue being the RROD, and MS offering a 3 year warranty on it, the only benefit then is not having to wait. It's a personal choice, not a requirement.

you have 3 xbox360s???? lol dude 30% failure rate means at LEAST one of yours is gonna fry

That's my contention. 30% seems exaggerated. Not only has none of mine had the RROD, but none of my personal friends have had an RROD. I think one person I know through Xbox Live has though. This doesn't count other errors though. I did have a disc read error issue and my GF's cousin is dealing with some kind of a hard drive issue.

[R240sx]

There is nowhere in the article or in any article that I have found that indicates that they have confirmed the dust was the cause of the failure with any degree of scientific certainty. As far as I can tell, they saw the dust (perhaps inside) and stopped there. So far, it seems that they are denying a warranty based on an assumption. How would you feel if a manufacturer denied a warranty on your year old car based on an assumption?

if i did something like not change the oil in a car for over a year then i would expect a voided warranty. they would open it up, look at the oil build up and damage of the engine and determine that it was from oil starvation or from bad oil, which would be my sole responsiblility. they opened up his ps3 and saw the dust and determined it voided his warranty, not much more that can be said. I would understand if it was a design error with the system and it actually was happening to alot of people, but the fact that this is the first case of such an inncident thats reported, coupled with the fact that sony has stated a less than %.02 failure rate for the ps3 makes me more than just scepticle of any claim that the owner of said ps3 is trying to make. another thing to note is that he claims its from having it turned on with the F@h program running, there are entire websites with teams dedicated to using there ps3 for F@H and they havnt had any reports of damage due to dust....

[redtop91]

Voiding a warranty over dust is pretty petty since there is no way to not have dust in an area.

[R240sx]

Voiding a warranty over dust is pretty petty since there is no way to not have dust in an area.

yes, tbh i'd like for sony to just replace it under warranty, not because of the negative pr its caused, but because the kid seems to be a die hard sony fan, he has a bravia, psp, supports blu-ray, and was f@h, which means he was using his ps3 to advance research in alzheimers, cancer, leukimia, and many other protein related illness. basically the ideal consumer that sony would love to target.

[ceniack]

Bah. Rejoice PS3 fanboi's. I got home and hooked up my brand new 1080P 47" HDTV and was getting ready to throw in either my new Mass Effect or Guitar Hero III and alas! RROD.

you must not have been taking care of it (sorry, i had too)

and about the dusty PS3



that is what the PS3 in question looked like, i can't say that i blame sony for not warrantying it, it defiantly looked neglected...

[MinisterofDOOM]

How the crap does that happen? I own things that haven't been dusted in YEARS and they don't look half that bad. Did he leave it in the bed of a truck and go offroading or something?

[R240sx]

How the crap does that happen? I own things that haven't been dusted in YEARS and they don't look half that bad. Did he leave it in the bed of a truck and go offroading or something?

the scary part is that he said he brushed it off before sending it in, meaning it musta looked worse then that!

[C-Kwik]

Bah. Rejoice PS3 fanboi's. I got home and hooked up my brand new 1080P 47" HDTV and was getting ready to throw in either my new Mass Effect or Guitar Hero III and alas! RROD.

Holy crap. I missed that part of your post. But do make sure it's not the video cable being hooked up incorrectly. An improper connection may cause 4 red lights. A lot of people have mistaken this for the 3 RROD.

[s13jus10]

Holy crap. I missed that part of your post. But do make sure it's not the video cable being hooked up incorrectly. An improper connection may cause 4 red lights. A lot of people have mistaken this for the 3 RROD.

hahah and don't forget to pray to your Microsoft gods lol. speaking of fryed 360s..3/5 demo 360s at my store are now victims of the RROD, another of which is burning rings through our games. hmm...........strange....

[redtop91]

you must not have been taking care of it (sorry, i had too)

Ehh. I didn't expect anything less than you being a douchebag. But no, I'd been neglecting it as of late, leaving game discs in when taking it places, leaving it in cold cars etc. etc.